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51728 Cpl Gibson - Wigtown

 
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 12:17 pm    Post subject: 51728 Cpl Gibson - Wigtown Reply with quote

Cpl Gibson was wounded by a gas shell on 16 Oct 1918. I have seen a telegram notifying the family and his MIC. He survived the war but his service record did not. He appears to have served with 11th Bn Royal Scots and I have looked up a rough outline of where they spent the war but have not found where their war diary might be.

The family would like to know how he spent the war and where he was when he was injured. (Presumably Western Front).

He is not on the Wigtown UF ROH and the Wigtown Church of Scotland ROH (assuming one existed) does not appear to have survived.

Does anyone have any other info that I can pass on to the family please?

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see from his medal card that he had served in the Royal Scots Fusiliers prior to the Royal Scots.

Medal card of Gibson, Charles L.

Royal Scots Fusiliers 17170 Private
Royal Scots 51728 Lance Corporal

A Private 17179 died on 3 July 1916 while serving with the 2nd RSF
Another No.17158 who was discharged due to wounds in 1917 had enlisted in February 1915 as had No.17136.

So I'd judge that Charles Gibson enlisted in the 2nd Royal Scots Fusiliers in February 1915.

According to the CWGC Register 2nd RSF lost 65 men in the first week of July on the Somme at the Battle of Albert where their Division (30th) took the village of Montauban.
http://www.1914-1918.net/bat15F_Montauban.html


No.s 51724 and 51726 died while serving with the 11th Royal Scots in Sept. and Aug. 1918.

The 11th RS were in the 9th (Scottish) Division on the Western Front throughout the war and their history is at
http://www.1914-1918.net/9div.htm

It looks like Charles was wounded at the Battle of Courtrai, 14 - 19 October 1918

Second Army (Plumer)
II Corps (Jacob)
9th (Scottish) Division.
29th Division
36th (Ulster) Division.
X Corps (Stephens)
30th Division
34th Division.
XV Corps (de Lisle)
14th (Light) Division.
XIX Corps (Watts)
35th Division
41st Division.


Mike Morley is researching the men of Wigtown, so he may have more info.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Charles Lindsay Gibson was born in 1896 in Whithorn, Wigtownshire and (if it's the same man) died in 1989 in Thornhill, Dumfriesshire - aged 93!!
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kenneth Morrison wrote:
Charles Lindsay Gibson was born in 1896 in Whithorn, Wigtownshire and (if it's the same man) died in 1989 in Thornhill, Dumfriesshire - aged 93!!


Yes, that's the man and I should have mentioned that I saw a photo of him in uniform with 4 good conduct stripes (inverted chevrons) and four wound stripes (vertical bars).

Thanks for the useful info.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For those who like to follow these things - here are two photos of the man plus notification of him being injured - can anyone make out the hospital by the way?









I also received the following note of thanks, a very large part of the thanks must go to Ken Morrison of course. (The family does not have the medals so I sent him a photo of the set which I have).

"Paul---I don't know what to say, you have found out more about my Dad in two days than I had done in three years.
If there is any way I can repay you, please let me know. Thanks again.
Henry Gibson."

Nicely timed for father's day tomorrow I think
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All the sources show that the 2nd Canadian General Hospital was at Le Treport
but I think the name on the notification might be Outreau in Boulogne.

Update - this source shows No. 2 Canadian Stationary Hospital - Salisbury Plain; Le Havre; Le Touquet; Outreau; Witley.

http://cefresearch.ca/matrix/Army%20Troops/3rd%20Echelon/Medical%20Corps/Main%20Hospitals.htm

Thanks for the feedback, Paul, and for the photos which confirms the RSF link.
Do I see two wound stripes on the first photo?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kenneth Morrison wrote:
Do I see two wound stripes on the first photo?


Yes, two on the first photo and four on the second

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just realised that the XXI on the Union Flag represents the 21st Regiment of Foot - the Royal Scots Fusiliers.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kenneth Morrison wrote:
Just realised that the XXI on the Union Flag represents the 21st Regiment of Foot - the Royal Scots Fusiliers.


Yes - presumably taken in UK as I do not believe that colours were taken to the western front.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a snippet from the Wigtownshire Free Press:

(23/5/1918): Mrs Gibson, Redbrae, has received intimation that her son, Corpl C Gibson, Royal Scots, was admitted to hospital suffering from shell wounds. This is the third time Corpl Gibson has been wounded.

[Paul and Ken, this is very helpful for my research into the Wigtown men who went to war. So far the press cutting had been all I had found. Now I've got a huge amount!]
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What great photographs. In the first one the colours look like a painted backdrop. Probably done by someone in the battalion and so it could be taken anywhere.

The second. Notice his overseas service stripes on his right arm so this was taken in 1918.

He also has a badge above his chevrons on his right arm which shows he was an instructor of something.

He also has a unit badge on his shoulder, it's a pity you can't see it clearly but in 1918 the 9th Diviison were wearing their thistle badge on a blue disc, and I think it is that - which ties in with him still being in the 11th Bn Royal Scots at this time.

Also he is wearing breeches not trousers so he is in a mounted role, perhaps in the battalion transport section?

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