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Adam Brown
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 3:34 am    Post subject: CORSTORPHINE, Edinburgh (WW1,WW2,Northern Ireland) Reply with quote

Corstorphine War Memorial
Location: In front of Corstorphine Parish Church, Kirk Loan
Style: Celtic Cross
WW1 Names: tbc
WW2 Names: tbc
Northern Ireland Names: 1
OS Ref: NT 200 727
Google Maps Street View: http://goo.gl/maps/sAu27

I'm afraid I don't have a very good photo of the Great War names on the front of the memorial but I do have ones of the sides.
















Northern Ireland name. Sgt Stuart Reid, REME



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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What caught my eye here was Chas F and Louis F Hoffman.
From the 1901 census, as I suspected, their father was a German national (not naturalised), their mother was Barbara Fraser.

Surname HOFFMAN
Firstname Charles Fraser
Service Number G/11500
Date Death 25/07/1916
Decoration
Place of birth Edinburgh
Other 11th Bn.
SNWM roll SCOTTISH CASUALTIES EXTRACTED FROM ENGLISH REGIMENTS
Rank Pte
Theatre of death F.& F.

Name: HOFFMANN
Initials: C F
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Queen's Own (Royal West Kent Regiment)
Unit Text: 11th Bn.
Age: 27
Date of Death: 25/07/1916
Service No: G/11500
Additional information: Son of Charles and Barbara Hoffmann, of 9, Victor Park Terrace, Corstorphine, Edinburgh.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: II. F. 105.
Cemetery: BAILLEUL COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION (NORD)

Charles was actually named Karl.

I struggled with Louis though - he was actually named Ludwig and he served as;
Surname FRASER
Firstname Louis
Service Number 97128
Date Death 15/11/1918
Decoration
Place of birth Edinburgh
Other
SNWM roll ROYAL ARMY MEDICAL CORPS
Rank Pte
Theatre of death India.

Name: FRASER, LOUIS
Initials: L
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Royal Army Medical Corps
Age: 27
Date of Death: 15/11/1918
Service No: 97128
Additional information: Husband of Annie J. Fraser, of 23, Derwent St., Sunderland, Tyne and Wear.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Face 11.
Memorial: KIRKEE 1914-1918 MEMORIAL

Here, the marriage index entries confirm the name change;
Marriages Dec 1915
Fraser Louis Watson Sunderland 10a 1533
Hoffmann Louis Watson Sunderland 10a 1533
Watson Annie J Fraser Sunderland 10a 1533
Watson Annie J Hoffman Sunderland 10a 1533

Obviously trying to disguise their German heritage, Louis particularly so.
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adam,

I am trying to make out the name between Geo. Shade and Stanley Smith.
Is it John Schiclls?
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dhubthaigh wrote:
Adam,

I am trying to make out the name between Geo. Shade and Stanley Smith.
Is it John Schiclls?

SHIELLS Embarassed
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark

Yes you're right Shiells. The original isn't much clearer but the E is the same as the surname Robertson just above it.

What fantastic research work tracking down the Hoffman brothers. Who would have thought that Louis Fraser was actually Ludwig Hoffman!

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure if this cross hasn't had a bit of TLC



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My wife is playing the organ on Sunday inside the Parish Church so I will photograph the three inscribed columns of War dead. The organ is also a WW2 Memorial.
Aye
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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2010 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was down in Corstorphine on Wednesday and managed to get some pics of the names.



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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2010 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WWI names on the front panel.


Left side of panel.

Capt Brown, Wm Beattie
Capt Henry, John A. MC
Capt Hope, John H
Lieut Adams, Jas. A.W
Lieut Bell, Arch. MC
Lieut Cormack, Sidney MC
Lieut Cowan, W Wilson
Lieut King, Ebenezer MC
Lieut Mitchell, John PC
Lieut MacMillan, Cameron
Lieut Robertson, Athol
Lieut Stewart, J Wolcott
Lieut Veresmith, Daniel C
Sgt Maj Morrison, John S DCM
Sgt Isles, Chas. R
Sgt Scott, John
Sgt Thomson, Chas.
Cpl Anderson, Wm
Cpl Kilpatrick, Robert
L/Cpl Paterson, John

Right side of panel.

Pte Amos, Herbert E
Pte Allan, Alex
Pte Barrie, David G
Pte Barry, Gordon
Pte Bertram, Wm
Pte Blaikie, Alex
Pte Bradshaw, Jas.
Pte Brogan, Wm
Pte Brown, Geo
Pte Campbell, Roderick
Pte Dick, David T
Pte Dunlop, John
Pte Fairley, John
Pte Fletcher, Robert N
Pte Fraser, Jas. S.S
Pte Fraser, Alex
Pte Gerraed, John
Pte Glassbook, John
Pte Harley, John
Pte Hastings, Henry
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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2010 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WWI names on right side of Memorial



Privates
Hoffman, Chas. F
Hoffman, Louis F
Hogg, Benjamin
Hogg, Jas.
Inglis, Jas.
Inglis, Wm
Johnston, Cumming
Kelly, Jas.
Kilgour, John
Kirkwood, Ramsay B
Lindsay, Wm C
Lindsay, Andrew D
Low, Robert, A B
Moffat, Andrew
Munro, Alex
MacDermott, John
MacGinlay, Jas.
MacLeish, David H
Niven, Wm
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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2010 3:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WWI names on the left of the Memorial.


Privates
Norwal, Alex W
Paterson, Chas.
Paterson, Geo
Pearson, John
Ronaldson, Wm
Robertson, Walter G
Shade, Geo
Shiells, John
Smith, T Stanley
Steedman, Wm
Syme, Wm F
Symons, David
Terrace, Andrew
Todd, Geo. S
Ward, John
Weston, Geo
White, Robert
Windle, Frank
Young, Geo. S
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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2010 3:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WWII names at left side of Memorial.

Remember too, those who fell in the Second World War.


Pte Anderson, W B
Pte Arnott, S L
Sgt Ballantyne, A
Capt Beattie, A T
F.O Bell, A A
2nd Eng Bell, R A
Cdt Brash, J G
Cpl Burrell, A
Sgt Byrne, T P J
Trpr Campbell, R A
Eng O Cant, W W
Lt. Comm Carus, J A L
Capt Chalmers, A
CSM Charters, R W
Pte Cowper, R M
Mne Craigie, J T
F.O Dalgleish, S
Pte Davison, E
AB Davison. E
Sgt Donald, G
AB Falconer, J
AB Fitzsimmons, B


Sgt Forrester, R
Maj Gallie, G H MC
2nd Lt Gallie, R E
F/Sgt Gillespie, J
Sgt.N Goudie, E A
SBA Gray, J
Pte Henderson, J D
A/Sq.Ld Hendry, M F
Sgt.N Hislop, J G D
P.O Huntly, P H DFM
Capt Jamieson, J C
Sgt Jodin, D R
C. Eng Kirkwood, A V
DR Laing, T
F.O Lauder, R G
Capt Laurie, J M
Gnr Lister, W
Pte MacDonald, D B
O.Cdt MacDonald, S K S
Pte McGuire, J B
Pte McIntosh, W J
O.Cdt McLaughlan, H C S


Stuart Reid Sergeant in the REME killed in Northern Ireland 24.6.1972 aged 26.
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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2010 3:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WWII names on the right side of the Memorial.


They also made the Supreme Sacrifice. 1939-1945



Sub. Lt MacNamee, J
F.Lt Maitland, I DFC
Sgt Malcolm, G
Cdt Miller
CSM Milne, R
P.O Moffat, J A W DFC
Sgt Mollison, A M
Sub. Lt Morgan, D H
2nd Lt Morrison, A S
L/Cpl Morton, E T
L/AC Mountford, G P
L/AC Mowat, S S
Sgt Murray, J A
Cpl Ogg, M G
F Sgt O'Rorke, J L
Sgt Paris, R McK
F.Lt Paterson, D C
Sub Lt Pettigrew, D
CPO Ponsford, W
Gdsmn Pratt, W
L/Cpl Prentice, H C MM
L/Cpl Purdie, T

L/AC Raeburn, G L
Capt Ranson, R
Pte Reid, J P
Pte Reynolds, F
AB Robertson, A
Sgn. Lt Robertson, J
F.O Robertson, T D
L. Mech Ronaldson, P H D
A.C1 Sives, A F
A/LS Slater, J F
P.O Steven, D McD
L/Cpl Stewart, S B
Gdsmn Tatler, M
Pte Vickary, R J
Sgt O Ward, W M
Sgt Wood J A
Bomb White, D
Pte Wyllie. A K
Cpl Wylie, J
Lieut Wye, D
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not listed on UKNIWM.

A couple of details from the memorial.



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From The Scotsman, Saturday 16th May 1936.

    CORSTORPHINE WAR MEMORIAL

    Negotiations have been proceding for some time between representatives of the Corstorphine War Memorial Committee, Corstorphine Ratepayers' Association, and the Corstorphine Branch of the British Legion regarding custody, re-erection, and maintenance of the war memorial. These negotiations, with the consent of the Corstorphine Ratepayers' Association, have resulted in the Corstorphine War Memorial Committee conveying custody of the memorial to the Corstorphine Branch of the British Legion, which branch, with agreement with the other two bodies, has carried on discussions with the Edinburgh Corporation regarding the removal. The result of the the discussions is that the removal of the war memorial to its more fitting an appropriate new site - exactly opposite the new library entrance - is to be commenced at an early date, and re-erection completed within two months. To meet the cost of removal, re-erection, and maintenance, an appeal to the Corstorphine residents for subscriptions is likely to be issued at an early date. Arrangements will also be proceede with for the holding of a re-dedication service.


From The Scotsman, Saturday 3rd October 1936.

    CORSTORPHINE WAR MEMORIAL

    It was intimated at a meeting of the Corstorphine Branch of the British Legion that the result of the appeal for funds towards the removal of the War Memorial from its old site at Station Road to the present site at Kirk Loan had been most satisfactory. The interest in the Memorial was reflected in the fact that donations had been received from interested parties well outside the boundaries of Corstorphine. The total sum received was 82 7s 10d, and the expenses of the removal amounted to 63 7s 6d, leaving a balance of 19 0s 4d for the future upkeep - maintenance and cleaning - of the Memorial.

Another article in The Scotsman, a few weeks later on 28th October 1936 reports that in destructive strong winds the Corstorphine War Memorial had been blown over into the street and broken into three pieces.

A few lines beneath a picture in The Scotsman of 10th May 1948 tell of the unveiling of the Second World War panels on the memorial. The crowds were addressed by General Sir William Slim, and Lady Slim unveiled the new panels.

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