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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:18 pm    Post subject: New Cumnock Reply with quote

Not listed on UKNIWM

The location seems a little odd, being against the outside wall of the parish church (there is no church graveyard there),

GR NS 617 135

The inscription is a little unusual, but I quite like it......

"Our Heroes & Gentlemen"






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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Spoons,
The cross you saw was the original Arthur Memorial Free Church one which used to sit in the grounds of said church at the other end of the village. However the church is no longer used and is up for sale. To safeguard the future of the cross, it was brought along to the grounds of the Parish Church where you saw it. If you're interested, you can find out more at www.newcumnock-warmemorials.org.uk

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Richard

Thats great info thanks. Even with this info, I still can't find it on UKNIWM so it does appear to be unlisted.

Great site, thanks for the link, I will post in in our links section

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 8:02 pm    Post subject: New Cumnock village war memorial Reply with quote

The village war memorial sits in the Afton Road cemetery at NS 615125 and is on the left hand side of an unclassified road leading south from the village up Glen Afton



The memorial has the names from both world wars and the lists and further information can be found at

www.newcumnock-warmemorials.org.uk

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

New Cumnock cenotaph - located in the cemetery.





WWI ROLL OF HONOUR:
Barbour Alexander Royal Scots Fusiliers
Barbour Robert Scots Guards
Barr David Canadians
Beatson William Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders
Bell William Machine Gun Corps
Brackenridge D. Highland Light Infantry
Brechnie John Royal Scots Fusiliers
Brown David Kings Own Scottish Borderers
Brown George S. Machine Gun Corps
Brown Matthew Royal Scots Fusiliers
Buchanan Andrew Machine Gun Corps
Burns Patrick Royal Scots Fusiliers
Clapperton Robert R.S.A.
Collins William Royal Scots
Connolly John Seaforth Highlanders
Corson James D. Machine Gun Corps
Craig Hugh Royal Garrison Artillery
Craig William Canadians
Cunningham S.A. Royal Scots Fusiliers
Denim William Royal Scots Fusiliers
Dick Thomas S. Machine Gun Corps
Dowie William Life Guards
Ferguson David Black Watch
Galbraith James Black Watch
Galston James Royal Scots Fusiliers
Geddes Alexander Royal Scots Fusiliers
Gracie John Royal Scots Fusiliers
Graham William Gordon Highlanders
Gray Nisbet G. Black Watch
Hamilton John Royal Scots Fusiliers
Hart Andrew Scots Guards
Hastings David Army Service Corp
Hill William Royal Scots Fusiliers
Hose John Royal Scots Fusiliers
Howat Charles Kings Own Scottish Borderers
Hunter James Royal Scots Fusiliers
Irving James Black Watch
Kilpatrick T. Scots Guards
Knox James Royal Scots Fusiliers
Leckie James Gordon Highlanders
Logan James Highland Light Infantry
MacDonald George Cameron Highlanders
MacDonald Hugh Black Watch
MacDonald William Royal Scots Fusiliers
Mair John Highland Light Infantry
Martin Robert Scots Guards
Martin Robert Seaforth Highlanders
Martin William A.I.Y. Ayrshire Yeomanry?
Maxwell John Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders
McAtee P. Kings Own Scottish Borderers
McClymont David Royal Scots Fusiliers
McClymont Robert Royal Scots Fusiliers
McCulloch James Royal Scots Fusiliers
McDonald William Kings Own Scottish Borderers
McGill R.A. Royal Scots Fusiliers
McGillvary John Royal Scots Fusiliers
McKenzie Alexander A. Sherwood Foresters
McKenzie D.W.G. Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders
McKerrow George Black Watch
McMillan George Royal Scots Fusiliers
McMillan James Royal Scots Fusiliers
McNeil Alexander Scottish Rifles
McWhirter Samuel Royal Scots
Melvin John S. Black Watch
Millar George Cameron Highlanders
Morgan John Cameron Highlanders
Morrison Andrew Black Watch
Muir George Australians
Murray Robert D.C.L.I. Durham Light Infantry?
Nisbet John Royal Scots Fusiliers
Park John Highland Light Infantry
Paterson Robert Canadians
Paton David Royal Scots
Paton John Royal Scots Fusiliers
Peden Hugh Royal Scots Fusiliers
Purdie John Royal Engineers
Reid William Scots Guards
Rodgerson Alexander Black Watch
Rodgerson George Scottish Rifles
Roger Robert Royal Scots
Rorrison Alexander Royal Scots Fusiliers
Samson Hugh A.I.Y. Ayrshire Yeomanry?
Scott Walter Highland Light Infantry
Seaton Robert S. Canadians
Sharp William Highland Light Infantry
Sharp William Royal North Lancs.
Sloan Alexander Machine Gun Corps
Sloan George Machine Gun Corps
Sloan William A.I.Y. Ayrshire Yeomanry?
Sloan William Royal Scots Fusiliers
Sloan William McKerrow D.C.L.I. Durham Light Infantry?
Smith Edward Black Watch
Smith Gilbert Royal Scots Fusiliers
Stevenson James Royal Scots Fusiliers
Stewart James Black Watch
Stewart James B. T.M.B.
Stewart Richard Royal Scots Fusiliers
Stewart Robert Highland Light Infantry
Sturrock Andrew Royal Scots Fusiliers
Sweden Alexander Royal Scots Fusiliers
Telfer Richard Cameron Highlanders
Toffern Hermann Kings Own Scottish Borderers
Trotter David Royal Scots Fusiliers
Turnbull David Gordon Highlanders
Tweedie W.G. Royal Scots
Walker George Cameron Highlanders
Walker John Black Watch
Ward James Royal Highlanders
Ward John Black Watch
Warren Harry Royal Field Artillery



WWII ROLL OF HONOUR:
Alexander Edward Royal Navy
Bickerton Robert Parachute Regiment
Bodin Hugh Royal Engineers
Bunyan Thomas Gordon Highlanders
Burgoyne Henry Royal Air Force George Medal
Calderwood James London Scottish
Campbell John Royal Scots Fusiliers
Capperauld David Scots Guards
Carmichael Thomas Royal Scots Fusiliers
Eccles Robert Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders
Galbraith Blair Scots Guards
Haddow Hugh Royal Air Force
Harrison Hugh Royal Navy H.M.S. Whitaker Buried in cemetery D/JX612341 Died 1st November 1944 aged 19
Henderson James Royal Air Force
Hose Hugh Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders
Mason Gilbert N.F.S. ?
McDonald Davie Royal Air Force
McGann Charles Highland Light Infantry
McHallum John Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders
McLatchie George Royal Air Force
Michie George Merchant Navy
Nisbet Samuel Scots Guards
Osborne William R.M.S.V.R.
Paterson Alexander Black Watch
Pollock James Black Watch
Riddall Robert Highland Light Infantry
Robson John Royal Engineers
Rollie A.D. Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders
Rorrison James Royal Air Force
Rorrison Thomas McMillan United States Navy
Rush Robert Royal Scots
Somerville Alexander Royal Scots Fusiliers
Thomson John Gordon Highlanders
Turnbull William Royal Air Force
Tweedie Harold Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Walker Richard G. Royal Navy
Ward John Suffolk Regiment


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

New Cumnock - Arthur memorial Free Church

WWI ROLL OF HONOUR:
Breckenridge D.
Brown D.
Buchanan A.
Craig M.
Craig W.
Dowie W.
Galston J.
Irvine J.
Logan J.
McDonald G.
McDonald H.
McDonald W.
Park J.
Purdie J.
Smith E.
Sturrock A.
Turnbull D.
Turnbull W.
Tweedie W.G.



WWII ROLL OF HONOUR:
Calderwood J.
Rorrison J.
Rush A.
Turnbull W.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim

DCLI is Duke of Cornwall's Light Infantry
NFS is probably National Fire Service
AIY could be Ayrshire Imperial Yeomanry.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 8:40 pm    Post subject: DCLI etc Reply with quote

Adam,
Well done!! 3/3

Gilbert Mason NFS, from New Cumnock, was the Baptist Church pastor in Barrow in Furness and was killed during an air raid while fire watching.

The boys from the Ayrshire Imperial Yeomanry fought as dismounted cavalry and at some time were subsumed into the RSF.

There were two men from the village ended up in the DCLI - one was killed in Macedonia and the other at Jerusalem. They were probably transferred into the regiment to make up numbers.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of New Cumnock's missing sons:

Surname GRAHAM
Firstname John Purse
Service Number 276020
Date Death 22/11/1917
Decoration
Place of birth New Cumnock Ayrshire
Other 1/7th Bn.
SNWM roll THE ARGYLL AND SUTHERLAND HIGHLANDERS
Rank Pte
Theatre of death F.& F.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 8:26 pm    Post subject: Not on the VillageWar Memorial Reply with quote

Hi Derek,
As far as I am aware, there are approx 27 from the First World War and 3 from the Second who are not named on the village war memorial or any of the others in the village. The SDGW has Pte Graham born in New Cumnock, enlisting in Alloa and resident in Plean. So maybe he moved to the Stirlingshire coal field as a child with his parents or moved later as an adult. I haven't got round to checking whether any of these men are listed on other memorials - you've just given me the necessary kick up the whatsit to get me started!
Anyway, I have given up trying to work out why some men are mentioned and some aren't. eg Pte Andrew Armstrong was the son of the minister of Bank Free Church and he died during 3rd Ypres on the 21st Oct 1917. He's not on the village memorial or even the Bank School memorial. Whereas 2nd Lieut. John Jarvie, kia on the 17/4/1917 and a teacher at bank School is on the Bank School memorial but not on the village one. He did however leave Bank and move to Canonbie school on which village memorial he is mentioned. Anyway it sounds as if I'm rambling and it's supper o' clock.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got my whatsit into gear this morning and checked the Plean memorial on the Forum and John Graham is mentioned there. So it looks as if his family moved across there pre 1914.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Richard,
Well done on finding him.
There are bound to be thousands of men (and women) who fell through the commemorative net though.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DerekR wrote:
There are bound to be thousands of men (and women) who fell through the commemorative net though.


I don't think there will be many outside the big towns and cities who will not be commemorated somewhere. Pte Graham was not on New Cumnock's memorial but he was on Plean's and many will be commemorated like him, not in his place of birth but in his place of residence pre-1914.

This is where the SDGW records will come in handy if they give a place of residence on enlistment. In my research in Sutherland quite often those born in one parish are listed on another parish's memorial because the family moved after they were born. The inscriptions on a memorial are based on a list complied in the early 1920s, not a birth register from the 1890s.

The one's that are most at risk of not being commemorated are people born and brought up in Edinburgh, Glasgow and Dundee who did not attend Church. Even then the big cities compiled rolls of honour so even if they weren't on a brass plaque somewhere they were in a roll of honour. Sadly it looks like Edinburgh and Leith's rolls of honour went in the bucket in the 1980s so they may not be commemorated now but they were for many years. I don't know about Dundee but the Glasgow RoH is still available.

There are going to be poor souls not commemorated but I donít think you are looking at thousands. In fact I think youíll find that thousands are commemorated on more than one memorial. Hopefully that is something that this forum can prove over time.

If all else fails though even if they are not commemorated at a civic level they will hopefully be remembered at a national level with the Scottish National War Memorial. I know itís not perfect and there are a lot missing from that as well but with nearly 150,000 names on their rolls of honour thatís a pretty big commemorative net.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Name: FERGUSON, DAVID
Initials: D
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Black Watch (Royal Highlanders)
Unit Text: 9th Bn.
Age: 22
Date of Death: 25/09/1915
Service No: S/4550
Additional information: Son of Andrew Ferguson, of Path Head, New Cumnock, Ayrshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: III. H. 12.
Cemetery: PHILOSOPHE BRITISH CEMETERY, MAZINGARBE


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 3:40 pm    Post subject: The Battle of Loos Reply with quote

The Battle of Loos tends to be overshadowed by the Battle of the Somme, however the village of New Cumnock lost more men on the 25th Sept 1915 than on any other day during the Great War. Four of them fell with the 9th Black Watch.
Pte David Ferguson, S/4550 - Philosophe
Pte Nisbet C Gray, S/4557 - Loos Memorial
Pte James Irving, S/4549 - Loos Memorial
Pte Hugh MacDonald S/4078 - Loos Memorial

and one with the 9th Cameronians
Pte David Kerr, 12224 - Loos Memorial
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