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PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 8:54 pm    Post subject: Lt. Frank Mungo McCallion M.C. Reply with quote

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His family are adamant that, though the Commonwealth War Graves Commission have him listed as a Lieutenant he was promoted to Captain shortly before he returned to his battalion.



Paul

It is likely that he was advised of the promotion, but it was not listed in the London Gazette in order to make it official prior to his death. It is not uncommon, that being the case his rank will remain that of Lieutenant.
His MIC shows his rank as Lt., ODGW has Lt. (TP).

The rank by which he is listed by CWGC will be as detailed to them by the Army. It is not unusual for the family ( and consequently war memorials) to promote the higher rank. I am aware of similar cases.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I fully agree Jim, I have seen a lot of such cases myself. Also temporary, local and acting ranks are not usually used by CWGC although I have seen exceptions too. I was just passing on a mail from a correspondant verbatim.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 10:07 pm    Post subject: Lt. Frank Mungo McCallion M.C. Reply with quote

Paul

I understood you were repeating the suggestion.

The only LG details I could find for McCallion are below (abridged). I could not find a promotion to Captain listed.

Gazette Issue 29724 published on the 25 August 1916.

His Majesty the KING has been graciously
pleased to confer the Military Cross on the
undermentioned Officers and Warrant Officers
in recognition of their gallantry and devotion
to duty in the field: —


Temp. 2nd Lt. Frank Mungo McCallion,
Sea. Highrs.1
For conspicuous gallantry during a raid
on the enemy's trenches. He led his platoon
with great dash, personally destroyed an
enemy machine-gun which could not be removed,
and, although wounded, stuck to his
command.'


LG 9 Oct 1917
War Office,
9th October, 1917.
REGULAR FORCES.
The undermentioned temp. 2nd Lts., from
attd., unless otherwise stated, are transferred
to Serv. Bns.,

Sea. Highrs.—D. Gunn. 25 Sept. 1915.
D. D. J. Patterson. 25 Jan. 1917.
F. M. McCallion, M.C. 16 Aug. 1915.


LG 10 May 1918
Sea. Highrs.
The undermentioned temp. Lts., from a
Serv. Bn., to be temp. Lts. 17 Mar. 1918,
with seniority specified against their
names: —
S. J. Morrell. ' 30 Sept., 1915.
D. MacD. Cameron. 1 July 1917.
D. S. Urquhart. 1 July 1917.
K. Mackenzie. 1 July 1917.

Temp. Lt. F. M. McCallion, M.C., from
a ,Serv. Bra., to be temp. Lt. 8 Apr. 1918,
with seniority 1 July 1917.
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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 6:24 am    Post subject: Edward Gordon Byrne 4th Gordon Highlanders Reply with quote

Edward Gordon Byrne 2nd Lt 4th Gordon Highlanders attd RFC 2nd Squadron Age 35 Killed in Action F & F 12/03/17 Medal Card: 73. Aust. Vol. Hosp. Gordon Highlanders. CWGC 11-3-1917. 2Lt E G Byrne, 2 Sqn, Kia in BE2d 6232, WF (while flying?) Source, Airmen Died in the Great War. Baron Von Richthofen's 26th Victory. Aberdeen City Roll of Honour. Officers Book page 242. Will Probate Date: 10 Apr 1918: Address: Hartington Pl; Edinburgh. Name on Sacred Heart of Jesus Church, Edinburgh. Cabaret-Rouge British Cemetery, Souchez Fr 0924 Plot XII Row E Grave 8 Aberdeen City roll of Honour also St Mary's Cathedral & Sacred Heart of Jesus Church, Edinburgh.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2015 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've managed to identify most (but not all) of those listed.

WWI ROLL OF HONOUR:

PTE ARCHIBALD ALLAN MACH GUN C.
Archibald Allan, Gunner 206125 Date of Death:31/07/1917 Tank Corps "B" Bn.
[SNWM 2141 & 206125 MGC (Tanks) b. Mallaig, Argyll]

PTE MARTIN BOLES 1ST ROYAL SCOTS.
Martin Boles, Private 33637 Date of Death:02/10/1918 7th King's Shropshire Light Infantry
[SNWM 1963 Lothian & Borders Horse b. Hawick]
[Medal Card Private 32509 Royal Scots and 33637 KSLI]

PTE JAMES G BYRNE KLR.
James George Byrne, Private 15072 Date of Death:16/02/1916 Age:20 17th The King's (Liverpool Regiment) Son of Sylvester James and Josephine Byrne, of Liverpool.

LT EDWARD BYRNE 4TH GORDONS.
Edward Byrne, Second Lieutenant Date of Death:11/03/1917 Age:35 2nd Squadron, Royal Flying Corps and 4th Gordon Highlanders.
[see also previous post]

SGT MAJ FRED R CAMPBELL 5TH CAN BATT.
Frederick Ronan Campbell, Sergeant 472307 Date of Death:27/09/1918 Age:24 5th Canadian Infantry. Son of Gertrude E. Campbell, of 2, York Place, Dumfries, and the late Frederick Campbell.
[on Dumfries War Memorial]

LT LEONARD CHORLEY KINGS L’POOL REGT.
[Possibly]
Charles Leonard Chorley, Second Lieutenant Date of Death:26/04/1918 1st Lancashire Fusiliers attached to 2/5th Battalion. Awards:Military Cross
[Medal Card Sergeant 13030 West Yorkshire Regiment and Second Lieutenant LF]
T./2nd Lt. Charles Leonard Chorley, Lanc. Fus.
For conspicuous gallantry and devotion to duty. This officer led parties against enemy posts which had been -established during an attack, and on each occasion killed or captured them. On one occasion, when leading eight men up a communication trench, he met two machine gunners with their guns trained down the trench, and forced them to surrender, with their guns.
London Gazette 13 September 1918 Page:10933

LT R COAPE-ARNOLD RAF.
Raymond de Newburgh Coape-Arnold, Lieutenant Date of Death:26/06/1918 Age:26 Royal Air Force 48th Wing, 200th Squadron.
[Formerly 6th South Staffordshire Regiment - of Wolvey Hall near Hinkley, Leicestershire]

CPL ROBERT CONSTANTINE HLI.
Robert Constantine, Corporal 331789 Date of Death:29/09/1918 9th Highland Light Infantry (Glasgow Highlanders)
[on Dumfries War Memorial]

PTE JOHN COPPLE.
[Only one on CWGC]
John Copple, Private 17179 Date of Death:01/07/1916 Age:20 18th The King's (Liverpool Regiment) Son of Joseph and Margaret Copple, of Green Cottage, Prescot, Lancs.

LT HENRY DOYLE 2/9 MANCHESTER.
Henry James Doyle, Second Lieutenant Date of Death:11/10/1917 Age:23 2/9th Manchester Regiment. Son or Mrs. Mary J. Doyle, of 1, Veronica Road, Didsbury, Manchester.

LT HENRY DUFFELL MANCHESTER REGT.
??????

CAPT JOSEPH DUFFY RAMC.
Joseph Vincent Duffy, Captain Date of Death:07/12/1918 Royal Army Medical Corps.
[Will - Joseph Vincent Patrick Duffy of 24 Moorfields High West Jesmond Newcastle-upon-Tyne]

LT PATRICK DUFFY RAF.
[Only one on CWGC]
Patrick James Duffy, Air Mechanic 1st Class 20303 Date of Death:20/03/1918 Age:28
Royal Flying Corps 3rd Reserve Lorry Park. Son of the late Joseph and Jane Duffy, of Wallsend-on-Tyne.

CAPT THOMAS DUFFY.
[Possibly]
Thomas Bryan Duffy, Captain Date of Death:17/08/1918 Age:29 1/2nd Durham Light Infantry attached to the 15th Battalion. Son of Mr. F. and Mrs. S. Duffy, of Hepburn-on-Tyne.

LT EDWARD DURNAN Y & L REGT.
Edward Durnan, Second Lieutenant Date of Death:16/10/1917 Age:21 14th York and Lancaster Regiment. Son of Thomas and Charlotte Durnan, of Worsboro' House, 43, Grove Rd., Millhouses, Sheffield.
[see also previous posts]

PTE ARTHUR EWEN 10TH BATT WELSH REGT.
Arthur Ewen, Private 59248 Date of Death:31/07/1917 Age:20 10th Welsh Regiment.
Son of John and Isabel Ewen, of 80, Aldborough Rd., Seven Kings, Essex. One of six brothers who served.

CAPT WILLIAM EWEN ROYAL W KENT REGT.
William James Ewen, Captain Date of Death:25/03/1918 3rd Queen's Own (Royal West Kent Regiment) attached to the 8th Battalion. Son of John and Isabel Ewen, of 80, Aldborough Rd., Seven Kings, Essex. One of six brothers, all of whom served.

PTE WILLIAM FLYNN IF.
[Possibly]
William Flynn, Private 18941 Date of Death:14/10/1916 Age:20 1st Royal Irish Fusiliers.
Son of William and Katherine Flynn, of 4, Royal Terrace, Queen's Park, Glasgow.

LT JOHN J HAGGARTY NF.
John Joseph Haggarty, Second Lieutenant Date of Death:11/09/1916 Age:18 22nd Northumberland Fusiliers (Tyneside Scottish) Son of Thomas R. Haggarty, of 40, Heaton Rd., Newcastle-on-Tyne.

LT JOSEPH HARTE ROYAL SCOTS.
Joseph Harte, Second Lieutenant Date of Death:06/06/1917 Age:21 5th Royal Scots.
Son of Peter Harte, of 31, Forrest Rd., Edinburgh.

LT JOHN L HAYES KLR.
[Possibly]
Leo John Hayes, Second Lieutenant Date of Death:10/10/1918 Age:27 3rd The King's (Liverpool Regiment) attached to the 18th Battalion. Son of Leo Walter Hayes and Isobelle Hayes; husband of Edith Mary Hayes, of 10, Dalmorton Rd., New Brighton, Cheshire. Native of Bootle, Liverpool.

PTE JOHN HETHERINGTON SCOTS RIFLES.
John Joseph Hetherington, Private 41113 Date of Death:23/04/1917 Age:21 10th Cameronians (Scottish Rifles) Son of Capt. John and Jane Hetherington, of 26, Camperdown Rd., Scotstoun, Glasgow.

LT LIONEL HEVENINGHAM RFA.
Lionel Joseph Heveningham, Second Lieutenant Date of Death:07/10/1918 Age:25 "C" Battery, 158th Brigade, Royal Field Artillery attached to the 2/1st (Berks) Brigade. Royal Horse Artillery. Awards:Mentioned in Despatches. Son of George John and Margaret Mary Heveningham, of Stafford Rd., Norfolk Park, Sheffield. Native of Arundel, Sussex. Enlisted Sept., 1914.
[Medal Card Corporal 1386 & 785364 RFA]

LT MAURICE HUDDLESTON DLI.
Maurice L. Huddleston, Second Lieutenant Date of Death:01/07/1916 15th Durham Light Infantry.

PTE HAROLD JAMES ASC.
????

PTE JAMES KEMP GLASGOW HIGHLANDERS.
James F. Kemp, Private 331099 Date of Death:15/07/1916 9th Highland Light Infantry (Glasgow Highlanders)

LT FRANCIS KILROE HLI.
Francis Joseph Kilroe, Second Lieutenant Date of Death:28/08/1918 Age:25 Highland Light Infantry attached to the Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers. Son of Patrick and Catherine Kilroe, of Fulwood Lodge, Fulwood, Preston.

SGT ALEXr LANGIER 11TH ALPINES.
[French Army]

LT CUTHBERT A MARSH RAF.
Cuthbert Alban Marsh, Second Lieutenant Date of Death:24/06/1918 Age:24 42nd Squadron, Royal Air Force and South Lancashire Regiment. Only son of James and Alice Marsh, of Wigan, Lancs.

PTE JOSEPH MORGAN ASC.
????

LT ETIENNE MORIVAL.
[French Army]

SUB LT GEORGE MOULD RNVR.
[Possibly]
George Austin Mould, Able Seaman Mersey Z/1225 Date of Death:19/07/1917 S.S. "Eloby." Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve

PTE WILLIAM McALLESTER GLASGOW HIGHLANDERS.
????

CAPT FRANCIS McCALLION MC SH.
Francis Munro McCallion, Lieutenant Date of Death:20/07/1918 4th Seaforth Highlanders. Awards:Military Cross
Temp. 2nd Lt. Frank Mungo McCallion, Sea. Highrs.
For conspicuous gallantry during a raid on the enemy's trenches. He led his platoon with great dash, personally destroyed an enemy machine-gun which could not be removed, and, although wounded, stuck to his command. London Gazette 25 August 1916 Page:8462
[see also previous posts]

SGT ALEXANDER MacDONALD 1ST CAN DIV.
[Possibly]
Alexander Andrew McDonald, Sergeant 27145 Date of Death:27/04/1915 Age:28 15th Canadian Infantry. Son of the late Alexander and Marjory McDonald.
[Canadian Records b. Braemar]
[15th Battalion (48th Highlanders) 3rd Brigade, 1st Canadian Division]

TROOPER FRANCIS McDONALD GLASGOW YEO.
????

PTE WILLIAM McGARLAND 1ST CAN DIV.
????

OPER JAMES MacKINTOSH RAF.
????

LT NINIAN McLACHLAN AUST FORCE.
????

PTE THOMAS McMENEMY RGA.
Thomas John J. McMenemy, Gunner 182084 Date of Death:22/09/1918 Royal Garrison Artillery 188th Siege Battery. [SNWM b. Kinneswood, Kinross-shire]

LT RANDAL McSWEENEY HLI.
Randal Roderick McSweeny, Second Lieutenant Date of Death:10/03/1917 Age:19 4th Highland Light Infantry. Son of Denis and Annie McSweeny, of 53, Balham Park Rd., Balham, London. Born at Aberdeen. Medical student at Glasgow University at time of joining Army in July, 1916.
[Glasgow University Roll of Honour :
Cadet R R McSweeny, Rank: Cadet, Regiment: No 2 Officer Cadet Battalion, Degree: Student]

SGT MAJ NORMAN MacWHINNIE MC MM KOSB.
Norman Henry MacWhinnie, Regimental Serjeant Major 5177 Date of Death:13/09/1914 Age:37 2nd King's Own Scottish Borderers.
Awards:Military Cross, Distinguished Conduct Medal, Mentioned in Despatches, Medaille Militaire (France).
[DCM - London Gazette 27 September 1901 P.6314, MiD - 16 October 1914 P.8354, MC - 29 December 1914 P.9]
Son of James Tait Macwhinnie and Elizabeth Carruthers Macwhinnie; husband of Caroline Christine Macwhinnie, of 38, Harcourt St., Cliftonville, Belfast. Born at Dumfries.[Caerlaverock]
[Dumfries War Memorial]
[see also previous posts
]

PTE JOHN McWILLIAMS 5TH CAN DIV.
John McWilliams, Private 446223 Date of Death:07/04/1916 31st Canadian Infantry.
[Service Record b. Belfast]

LT JOHN H OGDEN ROYAL N LANCS.
John Herbert Ogden, Second Lieutenant Date of Death:31/07/1917 Age:22 5th The Loyal North Lancashire Regiment Son of Thomas Butler Ogden and Edith Mary Ogden, of 485, Lytham Rd., Blackpool.

PTE THOMAS PATTERSON.
????

RICHARD RICHARDSON.
????

PTE ALEXANDER ROXBURGH NZR.
Alexander James Roxburgh, Trooper 11/480 Date of Death:31/05/1915 Age:25 Wellington Mounted Rifles, N.Z.E.F. Son of the late Mr. and Mrs. Andrew James Roxburgh.
[Service Record b. Edinburgh.
Next of kin: Mrs W.H. Roxburgh (aunt), 10 Park Avenue, Hornsey, London]

LT LOUIS SANS 26TH INFANTRY REGT.
[French Army]

PTE JOHN H SEGAR 1ST BORDER REGT.
John Harold Segar, Private 33909 Date of Death:23/04/1917 Age:19 1st Border Regiment.
Son of Mr. and Mrs. John Matthew Segar, of Liverpool, brother of Mrs. R. A. Bradley, of 30. Menlove Gardens South, Liverpool.

PTE JAMES SHERIDAN ROY IRISH REGT.
James Sheriden, Private 15122 Date of Death:16/08/1917 Age:25 2nd Royal Irish Regiment. Panel Son of Mrs. Catherine Sheridan, of "Tonnelier," 48, Crosbie St., Maryhill, Glasgow.
[see also previous posts]

PTE JOHN TURNER.
????

LT VICTOR WEBER RAF.
Victor Joseph Webber, Lieutenant Date of Death:15/12/1918 Age:18 Royal Air Force
Son of Emile Weber, of "Begatells", Westwood Park, Peterborough, and the late Charles Weber.

TROOPER GEORGE C WEST LAN YEO.
George Campbell West, Serjeant 35031 Date of Death:29/08/1918 Age:25 Lanarkshire Yeomanry Son of George Shand West and Mary Campbell West, of Letchworth Lodge Lossiemouth, Morayshire.

PTE JOSEPH WILSON 8TH YORKS.
????

LT GUY C WOOD WG.
????
[There is a Medal Card for Crawford Guy Wood, Lieutenant, Welsh Guards]

LT DOUGLAS WOODMAN RAF.
Douglas Woodman, Second Lieutenant Date of Death:11/03/1918 Age:20 56th Squadron Royal Flying Corps. Son of Mr. G. A. Woodman, of "Crumlin", Holland Rd., Clacton-on-Sea, Essex.

SGT LEONARD YATES.
Leonard Yates, Corporal 18838 Date of Death:09/10/1917 Age:24 6th Yorkshire Regiment. 6th Bn. Son of Samuel and Sarah Yates, of Wigan, England; husband of Lilian Williams (formerly Yates), of Duncans, British Columbia, Canada.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2015 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good work Ken. What a mix of units and experiences. Haven't the French done some work on publishing war dead details? It's not nearly as comprehensive as the CWGC database but I think there are dates of birth and death.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2015 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SGT ALEXr LANGIER 11TH ALPINES.
[French Army]

Couldn't see an obvious entry in the French war dead database http://www.memoiredeshommes.sga.defense.gouv.fr/en/arkotheque/client/mdh/base_morts_pour_la_france_premiere_guerre/resus_rech.php?&aff_tous=1

The 11th Alpines would have been the 11th Bn Chasseur Alpins

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/11e_bataillon_de_chasseurs_alpins

LT ETIENNE MORIVAL.
[French Army]

Etienne Marie Jules MORIVAL
Né(e) le/en 30-11-1890 (59 - Nord, France)

Missing in action 4th May 1917. Sergeant 104th Infantry Regiment


LT LOUIS SANS 26TH INFANTRY REGT.
[French Army]

Louis Charles Emmanuel SANS
Né(e) le/en 12-06-1885 (31 - Haute-Garonne, France)

Tué à l'ennemie - killed in action - 26th August 1918. Vézaponin on the Aisne Front. Lt Sans was from Toulouse

Le 26e régiment d’infanterie

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/26e_r%C3%A9giment_d%27infanterie

Interestingly the badge of the 26th Regiment after the First World War had thistles on it. It also had a star similar to that used by the Cameronians - which was the 26th Regiment in the British Army.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2015 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amazingly the 11th Bn Chasseurs Alpins have a history with a roll of honour online. http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k6340988g/f77.image

There is an Ernest Lagier who was killed in action in November 1914. There is no Alexandre Langier listed.

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