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St. Columba's Church, Stirling.
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petermcdonagh



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 2:22 pm    Post subject: Re: John Stewart Reply with quote

[quote="columba"]STEWART, JOHN B.
Rank: Private
Service No: 4/8388
Date of Death: 25/09/1915
Regiment/Service: Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders 2nd Bn.
Panel Reference Panel 125 to 127.
Memorial LOOS MEMORIAL
Additional Information:
CWGC

John's parents were William Allan Stewart draper’s assistant and Clementina Stewart MS Beattie who were married 1869 June 11 Forfar
John was born in 1876, one of 14 children born to the couple. He married Janet Innes, a widow in 1910 and they had one daughter Clementina

Stirling Observer October 24th 1916
Stirling Woman Loses Husband and Son
Mrs Stewart, 24 Bow Street, Stirling has been notified that her husband, Sergeant(sic) John Stewart, A&S Highlanders who had been reported missing since the battle of Loos in September of last year, is now presumed to have been killed at that time. Sergeant Stewart was a time-expired soldier, having fought through the South African War with the Black Watch but at the outbreak of hostilities in August of 1914, he left his employment as a miner at Carnock Colliery and joined the Argylls. Private William McQueen of the 7th A&SH, Mrs Stewart’s son by a former marriage, died while on service in February of last year. Two other sons are still serving, while Mrs Stewart’s brother and four of her nephews are also in the Army, worthily upholding the record of her great, great grandfather who fought at Waterloo.
Also commemorated on the Forfar memorial (Balmashanner) as are his brothers Donald and George.
John Beattie Stewart was my grand father he was killed when my mother was only 5 years of age, I have a very extensive family history and tree but have no idea if there is an intrest or how to post it if there is ???
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columba



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow Peter, you are the first descendant to be found of any man on the church war memorial!! I think it is quite sad that none of the current members of the congregation have any links to those who fell - a sign of a "lost" generation plus general movement of the population in latter years.

I don't know about posting more info here; I'm sure someone else will be able to answer that but I'm just so excited that you have posted at all, thank you!!

Sandra
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petermcdonagh



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 6:46 pm    Post subject: john beattie stewart Reply with quote

To Sandra
No problems, it was more of a surprise to me to see his name on the web.
This is the first information I have seen about him other than graveyard details, could it be that he attended St columbas and perhaps even got married there ?
How do I access the church records to investigate further ?
regards
Peter
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Kenneth Morrison



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Peter - you can access the marriage register at scotlandspeople and it should show where John and Janet married.
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/
The marriage was registered in 1910 in Stirling
1 1910 STEWART JOHN BEATTIE INNES JANET STIRLING /STIRLING 490/00 0037
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columba



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Peter
John and Janet were married at home (quite typical of the times) according to the forms of the United Free Church and the minister was John Chalmers who was one of the ministers at the North United Free Church (which became St Columba's in 1929 when it returned to the Church of Scotland - church history is complicated!!)

The communion roll of 1911-1919 shows that John Stewart was admitted to membership in 1910 and Mrs John Stewart was admitted in 1911; she seems to have left when she remarried after John's death.

Name Address Admitted Left
Stewart, John 24 Baker Street
13 Broad Street
24 Bow Street 1910 June Killed in war 25 September 1915

Stewart, Mrs John 24 Broad Street
13 Broad Street
24 Bow Street 1911 September Married MW Jefford

The church records are stored at Stirling Archives in Borrowmeadow Road and are available to view free of charge Monday to Thursday.

Sandra

Edit: the details look great in tabular form on this screen but when they go on the forum, they're not so easy to read, sorry!
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petermcdonagh



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2015 12:13 pm    Post subject: john beattie stewart Reply with quote

Sandra

Thanks a lot for your post, another little piece of history is in place, glad I joined the group, thanks again

Peter
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petermcdonagh



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 8:45 pm    Post subject: Re: William McQueen Reply with quote

columba wrote:
McQUEEN, W
Rank: Private
Service No: 1184
Date of Death: 20/02/1915
Regiment/Service: Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders 1st/7th Bn.
Grave Reference IX B. 75.
Cemetery CITE BONJEAN MILITARY CEMETERY, ARMENTIERES
Additional Information:

Service Returns
1184 Pte William McQueen 22 Scotland 20.02.1915 BEF France died – gastro enteric

Attestation papers - Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders
William McQueen
Born Landrick/Kilmadock near Doune, Perthshire
Age 17 years 3 months
Railway cleaner – Caledonian Railway Company
24 Baker Street, Stirling
Date 12th January 1910
(Re-engaged 12th February 1914)

Casualty form
Embarked Southampton
12.02.1915 Admitted to hospital in the field
20.02.1915 Died in 11 Field Ambulance in the field
Gastro-enteritis Armentieres

(Almost complete set of military records for William at NA)

Stirling Observer March 9th 1915
Stirling territorial dies in hospital
Mrs Stewart, 13 Broad Street, Stirling has received official intimation that her son, Pte William McQueen 7th Battalion Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders (Stirlingshire and Clackmannanshire Territorials) died in a field hospital in France on February 20. Private McQueen, who was 22 years of age, was previously employed as a mechanic with the Post Office Telephone Department and he had been a member of the Territorial Force for some six years. No mention is made in the intimation of the cause of death but it does not appear that Private McQueen had been wounded.
Private McQeen was the stepson of John Stewart also on the church remembrance notice.
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columba



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, Peter, thanks.

Janet had 9 children over 16 years with her first husband, William McQueen; he died at 38 when the youngest child, Flora, was less than 2 years old. She married John Stewart 2 years later and then gave birth to Clementina (called after John's mother).

After John was killed, she married William Jefford in 1919 and died in 1927. (He had also been married twice before)
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

columba wrote:
Yes, Peter, thanks.

Janet had 9 children over 16 years with her first husband, William McQueen; he died at 38 when the youngest child, Flora, was less than 2 years old. She married John Stewart 2 years later and then gave birth to Clementina (called after John's mother). clementina was the mother of peter mcdonagh.

After John was killed, she married William Jefford in 1919 and died in 1927. (He had also been married twice before)
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