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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

James McMinn born 1896 in Troqueer Parish, Kirkcudbrightshire.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kirkconnel is to receive over £3000 towards repairs to the memorial.

http://youtu.be/sOpIbs8Pm3w - should be up in about 30 minutes from now.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:42 pm    Post subject: Pte. Archibald McDougall Reply with quote

Not listed on this or any nearby civic memorials.

WW1
Pte. Archibald McDougall

(Glasgow Herald 1st July 1915)
"Private Archibald McDougall, Gordons, was killed in action on June 17. Private McDougall has been on active service since the start of the war. He was a Reservist, unmarried, and was employed at Fauldhill Colliery. He resided in Kirkconnel."

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McDOUGALL, ARCHIBALD
Rank: Private
Service No: 9945
Date of Death: 18/06/1915
Regiment/Service: Gordon Highlanders 2nd Bn.
Panel Reference: Panel 39 to 41.
Memorial: LE TOURET MEMORIAL

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Surname: McDOUGALL
Forename: Archibald
Rank: Pte
Service number: 9945
Place of birth: Irvine Ayrshire
Date of death: 18 June 1915
Theatre of death: F&F
Cause of death: Killed in action
SNWM roll: THE GORDON HIGHLANDERS
Other detail: 2nd Bn.
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2014 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This was one of the memorials which was awarded a renovation grant on 20th February through the Scottish Government's Centenary Memorials Restoration Fund:

Kirkconnel, Main Street, Kirkconnel, Dumfries and Galloway (WM6003) Grant offer: £3,375.

The foundations supporting the path around the memorial are in ‘Poor’ condition and as a result of structural movement the surface of the path has cracked. In addition the path kerb stones have been extensively damaged.

The grant funding will help fund the repair and replacement of the brick foundations and path surface. This work will include the replacement of damaged kerb stones.

Details of memorial can be found at:
www.warmemorialsonline.org.uk/node/141471
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This man has just been added to the CWGC Debt of Honour Register.
He is not named on this memorial but his two brothers are.

LEARY, JAMES.
Rank:Private
Service No:5211
Date of Death:09/11/1918
Age:44
Regiment/Service:Border Regiment 6th Bn.
Panel Reference:
Memorial:UNITED KINGDOM BOOK OF REMEMBRANCE
Additional Information:Husband of Emily Leary of Whitehaven, Cumberland.


From http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=233050

tullybrone, on 07 Jun 2015 - 1:51 PM, said:

Hi,

3 brothers born Cleator Moor, Cumberland who served. Although 2 died of illness it does not diminish their sacrifice. They were my maternal grandmothers cousin's.

1. Pte 6223 John Leary, 1st Cameron Highlanders died of wounds France 4th November 1914. He was a pre war regular (enlisted 1902), a coalminer and resident of Kirkconnel, Dumfriesshire, Scotland in August 1914. He was a recalled reservist who went to France 21st September 1914.

2. Pte 3606 William Leary 16 (XVI) Corps Cyclist Battalion, Army Cyclist Corps died of malaria in Salonika 6th November 1918. A coalminer at Fauldhead Colliery and resident of Kirkconnel in 1914 he had enlisted 6th Kings Own Scottish Borderer's and went to France with that Battalion in 9th Scottish Division May 1915.

3. Pte 5211 James Leary was a time expired pre war Border Regiment regular. He was a coalminer in Whitehaven, Cumberland when he re enlisted in Border Regiment in Aug 1914. He went to Gallipoli with 6th Border in 1915 and served with 6th and 1st Border in France 1916/17 where he contracted TB. He was discharged in July 1917 and died in late 1918.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2015 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kenneth Morrison wrote:
This man has just been added to the CWGC Debt of Honour Register.
He is not named on this memorial but his two brothers are.


Since he is now commemorated by the CWGC and his bothers are listed is there potentially a case for his name to be added?

Personally I'm not too keen on names being added after all this time but in this case it would seem to be the right thing to do. However he did die before the armistice so back at the time his name was left off for a reason.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2015 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adam - I don't think his name should be added. Although his two brothers are there, they were living and working in the area, whereas James does not seem to have had any such connection.

I'm sorry if I seemed to be inferring that James should be added to this memorial as that wasn't my intention.
I just wanted to highlight his addition to the CWGC register and to a Kirkconnel link.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2015 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Ken. If he had no link to the area then he shouldn't be added.

I think I've taken it the wrong way.

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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2016 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Named on the Kirkinner Parish WW1 Memorial in Wigtownshire as:

JOSEPH MELVIN, KINGS OWN SCOTTISH BOR.
Joseph Melvin – age 30 – Private (16196) 1st Battalion, King's Own Scottish Borderers.
Joseph was living in Kirkconnel, Dumfriesshire when he enlisted. (Source: D&G Standard 1/9/1915 p.5)
Born 1885 in Glasserton, Wigtownshire. Son of the late William Melvin and of Catherine (Milveen) Melvin of Kirkinner.
(Source:CWGC and family grave in Whithorn Cemetery)
Killed by enemy action/Lost at Sea on 13 August 1915 and named on the Helles Memorial, Gallipoli, Turkey
The troopship Royal Edward was torpedoed and sunk by the German submarine UB14 in the Aegean. Of the some 900 casualties, about 60 were from the 9th (Reserve) Battalion, KOSB as replacements for losses in the 1st Battalion.
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2016 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The other MELVIN on the memorial is:

MELVIN, J. [James]
Rank:Private
Service No:201911
Date of Death:03/10/1918
Regiment/Service:King's Own Scottish Borderers 1st/4th Bn.
Grave Reference:I. B. 46.
Cemetery:PROVILLE BRITISH CEMETERY [France Nord]

SNWM b. Kirkconnell, Dumfries.
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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2016 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kenneth Morrison wrote:
The troopship Royal Edward was torpedoed and sunk by the German submarine UB14 in the Aegean. Of the some 900 casualties, about 60 were from the 9th (Reserve) Battalion, KOSB as replacements for losses in the 1st Battalion.


That's interesting. The 3rd Bn should have supplied replacements to the 1st Bn and the 9th was raised as a reserve unit to the 6th, 7th and 8th Service battalions. I wonder if the 3rd Bn couldn't provide enough reinforcements alone? This was before the heavy casualties suffered by the KOSB Service battalions at Loos so the 9th (R) Bn would have been able to provide a large draft to the 1st Bn.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PTE. JAMES MURRAY, Q.O.C.H.

Named on the Hoddom Parish War Memorial in Ecclefechan, Dumfriesshire as:

PTE. JAMES MURRAY, 7th CAMERON HDS.
James Murray – age 24 – Private (S/18649) 7th Battalion, Cameron Highlanders.
James had served his apprenticeship as a joiner in Ecclefechan and had 5 years with the Territorial 5th King's Own Scottish Borderers. However he was working in Kirkconnel, Dumfriesshire when he enlisted in the Camerons in June 1915. He joined his battalion in France in mid-October 1915 but was killed two weeks later.
Born 1891 in Ecclefechan, Hoddom. Son of Company Sergeant Major John Murray of The Armoury, Ecclefechan and of Mary of High Street, Ecclefechan.
Killed in Action on 3 November 1915 and named on the Loos Memorial, France.
Also named here is his friend Robert Hutton, Private (18650) 7th Cameron Highlanders. They had lodged together at the Temperance Hotel in Kirkconnel, enlisted together and were killed by the same shell. (Source: D&G Standard 20/11/1915 p.3)

James is named on the Hoddom Memorial with his brother
L.CPL. JOHN MURRAY, 5th INNISKILLING FUSILIERS.
John Murray – age 20 – Lance Corporal (12613) 5th Battalion, Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers.
John who had enlisted in August 1914, died of illness in the King George V Hospital in Dublin on 7 January 1915 and is buried in Grangegorman Military Cemetery, Dublin, Ireland
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 8:23 pm    Post subject: The Leary brothers Reply with quote

Thanks to Tullybrone for the information about the Leary brothers and the Whitehaven link. I was aware of James and John, but not the 3rd brother. I have now amended the Whitehaven Roll of Honour accordingly.
I did actually know that John was working at Kirkconnel when he enlisted.

This is my 'Whitehaven' write up for James, where he is commemorated on the memorial at St Begh's Roman Catholic Church (and on its predecessor memorial for the Catholic Boys Brigade, which is at Whitehaven Archive Centre)-

Private Leary (5511) enlisted in the Border Regiment on 17th August 1914 aged 41 years 10 months. He was posted to the 1st Battalion then promoted to Lance Corporal in the 6th Battalion on 21st March 1915. He went overseas to the Mediterranean on 17th June 1915 returning to England on 23rd September 1915 when he went into the 3rd Battalion. On 24th November 1915 he went back out to the Med with the 6th Battalion becoming Lance Corporal again on 14th February 1916. He was made private again on 30th August 1916 for not complying with an order, and the Battalion then went to France. He returned to Bradford War Hospital, England on 19th April 1917 and was discharged on 7th July 1917 for no longer being physically fit, due to tuberculosis of the lung.
He died on 9th November 1918 and was buried on 14th November in grave 6O270 at Whitehaven Cemetery.
He lived at 4 Fisher’s Court, Irish Street, Whitehaven and was married to Emily (nee O’Shaugnessy) and had six children- James, John, Emily, William, Thomas and Josephine. He was a miner.
On returning home he went to live at 2 Torrentine’s Place, Tangier Street, where he died.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having done some more digging I now know that John was actually born at Wigton, not Cleator Moor, although his mother and the other children had been living at 24 Wyndham Row, Cleator in 1881-the year before his birth.

Having found the dates of birth and baptism at Cleator St Mary's RC Church for William and James they also now qualify for inclusion on the Cleator/Cleator Moor Roll of Honour and everything has been forwarded to the compiler of that ROH for that to happen.

There was also another brother, Daniel, who vanishes from the records after 1891 when he was at a reformatory school in Yorkshire. There is a possibility, unproveable, that he later moved to Cork and also fought and died with an Irish Regiment in the war. But there is nothing in the paperwork which enables the positive link to be made between the 2 people of the same name.

During February 2017 the CWGC have erected the headstone for James Leary in Whitehaven Cemetery. My fellow researcher has been to the grave site today (1st March) and confirmed its presence.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Named on the Maxwelltown Burgh and Troqueer Parish War Memorial in Dumfries as:

COWAN, GEO. PTE. K.O.S.B.
George's name was added to the CWGC Debt of Honour Register on 2 October 2015.
See - http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=6863

George Cowan – age 20 – Private (16718) 2nd Battalion, King's Own Scottish Borderers.
George was a coal miner and was living in Kirkconnel when he enlisted in November 1914. He joined the 2nd KOSB in France in March 1915 but due to illness was evacuated to hospital in Glasgow in December 1915. He was posted to the 8th KOSB in March 1916 but was wounded on the Somme in July and treated in hospital at Etaples and at Rouen before he was posted to the 2nd KOSB in October 1916. He was wounded again in May 1917 and evacuate to hospital in Aldershot before returning to France in September. However, due to illness, he was evacuated to hospital in Sheffield and he was discharged from the army in November 1917 as no longer fit for active service due to tuberculosis. He was awarded a Silver War Badge (237109). George was sent to the Lochmaben Hospital in Dumfriesshire where he died.
Born 1897 in Dumfries. Son of the late James Cowan and of Georginia (Richardson) Cowan of 20 Nithsdale Terrace, Kirkconnel, and later of 5 Mitchell Lane, Market Street, Maxwelltown.
Died on 10 December 1917 and buried in Dumfries (St. Michael's) Cemetery. (CWG)
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