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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:40 pm    Post subject: Broken Doulton & Co memorial in Paisley Reply with quote

David and I are both concerned with the state of this memorial which John posted a photograph recently

http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=7748

It is the Doulton & Co one in Hawkhead Cemetery in Paisley. David has found out this was from an old Royal Doulton factory so I take it the memorial is made from ceramic tiles which were made in-house by Doulton

Like Mains in Dundee can we maybe try and do something about getting this one repaired, replaced, moved or whatever it will take to make it right?

Can we start by trying to identify some of the names and when the memorial was originally unveiled?



IN MEMORY AND HONOUR OF THE MEN FROM THESE
WORKS WHO FELL IN THE GREAT WAR 1914 – 1919

D. Adams 1/6th A. & S.H.
R. Adamson 1st Batt. Scots Guards
W. Baillie 6th Cameron Highlanders
D. Barr 8th Gordon Highlanders
W. Bauchop School of Musketry
W. Baxter R.E.
D. Caldwell 6th A. & S.H.
J. Campbell 11th A. & S.H.
J. Ewing 16th H.L.I.
D. Galbraith 7th Royal Scots Fusiliers
A. Grant 17th H.L.I.
...


THIS TABLET ORIGINALLY ERECTED AT THE WORKS OF
DOULTON & CO., LIMITED
IN HAWKHEAD ROAD
TO THE MEMORY OF THE MEN EMPLOYED THERE
WHO GAVE THEIR LIVES IN THE GREAT WAR 1914 – 1919
IN THE CLOSING OF THESE WORKS WAS RE-ERECTED BY
THE COMPANY ON THIS SITE A.D. 1939
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've tracked down two names which match the details on the tiles but no guarantee they are the same people. There are also another two possibles. The others have not enough detail to be sure

CALDWELL, DAVID
Age: 21
19/05/1917
Private
Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders, 1st/6th Bn.
France
251416
DUISANS BRITISH CEMETERY, ETRUN III. N. 10.
SON OF DAVID AND AGNES CALDWELL, OF 43, NEILSON RD., PAISLEY

GALBRAITH, DUNCAN
Age: 23
26/09/1915
Private
Royal Scots Fusiliers "C" Coy. 7th Bn.
France
13381
LOOS MEMORIAL Panel 46 to 49.
SON OF PETER AND AGNES GALBRAITH, OF 45, GREAT HAMILTON ST., PAISLEY

This one is a battalion out but could be the right man?

CAMPBELL, J
Age: 19
01/09/1918
Private Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders, 10th Bn.
France
327327
ROYE NEW BRITISH CEMETERY IV. E. 2.
SON OF ARCHIBALD AND ANNIE CAMPBELL, OF 23, BLYTHSWOOD DRIVE, PAISLEY

This one is the right regiment but no other detail

EWING, J
31/07/1916
Private
Highland Light Infantry
United Kingdom
23091
PAISLEY (HAWKHEAD) CEMETERY A. 1017.
SON OF JOHN EWING, OF 3, KERR ST., PAISLEY

Which still leaves us with these names

D. Adams 1/6th A. & S.H.
R. Adamson 1st Batt. Scots Guards
W. Baillie 6th Cameron Highlanders
D. Barr 8th Gordon Highlanders
W. Bauchop School of Musketry
W. Baxter R.E.
A. Grant 17th H.L.I.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks to some input from David this may be the D. Barr

BARR, DANIEL
13/10/1915
Private Gordon Highlanders 8th Bn.
Belgium
S/2376
YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL Panel 38.

BARR, Daniel
Service Number S/2376
Date Death 13/10/1915
Place of birth: Neilston Renfrewshire
Other 8th Bn.
SNWM roll THE GORDON HIGHLANDERS
Rank Pte
Theatre of death F.& F.

I've found a Daniel Barr named on Neilston Parish Church and it looks like he is on Barrhead's memorial too
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And it looks like the next name on the list, the first name missing is G Hunter, 1st Scots Guards

Thanks to Delboy for this, it is from the Barrhead thread:

WW1
Hunter, George

(Glasgow Herald 7th May 1915)
"Killed in action in France, on Tuesday the 4th inst, George Hunter, of 1st Battalion Scots Guards, aged 28 years, elder son of George and Catherine Hunter, of Knowes Cottages, Glenfield, Paisley, and husband of Maggie Winning, 8 Lintmill Terrace, Neilston."

"Official notice has been received of the death in action on Tuesday, 4th inst., of Private George Hunter, of the 1st Scots Guards. Private Hunter, who was 28 years of age and married, joined the Army in September last, and has been in France for the last two months. He served his time as a brassfinisher in Barrhead, and was employed with Messrs Doulton, Paisley, when he enlisted."

CWGC

HUNTER, G
Rank: Private
Service No: 10285
Date of Death: 04/05/1915
Regiment/Service: Scots Guards 1st Bn.
Grave Reference: I. A. 84.
Cemetery: CHOCQUES MILITARY CEMETERY

SNWM

Surname: HUNTER
Firstname: George
Service Number: 10285
Date Death: 04/05/1915
Place of birth: Paisley
SNWM roll: SCOTS GUARDS
Rank: Gdsm
Theatre of death: F.& F
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Once we have some more information on this memorial and the missing names, I will be contacting the local media in my capacity as chairman of the Scottish Military Research Group. I think this needs to be highlighted, as this condition is frankly deplorable.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:47 pm    Post subject: Daniel Barr Reply with quote

Scotsman, 26th October 1915:

"Daniel Barr, 8th Gordon, whose mother lives at 2 M ill Place, Camphill, was killed on 13th October by a shell which burst in the trenches. He was 18 years of age, and before enlisting was an apprentice moulder with Doulton & Co, Paisley."
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:50 pm    Post subject: Duncan Galbraith Reply with quote

Scotsman, 7th October 1915:

"Duncan Galbraith, 7th RSF, whose mother lives at 20 Great Hamilton Street, Paisley, was killed in action on 27th September. He was twenty-two years of age, and was employed as a moulder with Doulton & Company."
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:53 pm    Post subject: Joseph Robb, 8th Gordons Reply with quote

One of the potentially missing names. From the Scotsman, date 23rd November 1915.

"Joseph Robb, 8th Gordons, whose wife lives at 4 Wallneuk, was killed in France on September 25. Pte. Robb, who was 27 years of age, was employed with Doulton & Co, prior to enlisting in September last year. He leaves a widow and two children."

CWGC has this match, with a different battalion:

ROBB, JOSEPH

Rank: Private
Service No: S/6152
Date of Death: 25/09/1915
Regiment/Service: Gordon Highlanders
9th Bn.
Panel Reference: Panel 115 to 119.
Memorial: LOOS MEMORIAL


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

William Bauchop enlisted at the age of 51 in the Corps of the School of Musketry in September 1914. He was discharged due to ill health, unfit for future service in December 1915.

He had previously served from 1884 to 1910, with no overseas service, in the Scottish Rifles, and gave his occupation as patternmaker.

His papers (held on Ancestry) clearly state his illness was not caused by military service, so there is no case for putting this forward as a non-comm.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adam Brown wrote:


This one is the right regiment but no other detail

EWING, J
31/07/1916
Private
Highland Light Infantry
United Kingdom
23091
PAISLEY (HAWKHEAD) CEMETERY A. 1017.
SON OF JOHN EWING, OF 3, KERR ST., PAISLEY



Almost certainly the correct man. Soldier Died in the Great War confirms the battalion and gives us a first name, John.

Name: John Ewing
Birth Place: Paisley, Renfrewshire
Residence: Paisley
Death Date: 31 Jul 1916
Death Location: Home
Enlistment Location: Glasgow
Rank: Private
Regiment: Highland Light Infantry
Battalion: 16th (Service) Battalion (2nd Glasgow)
Number: 23091
Type of Casualty: Died of wounds
Theatre of War: Home
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great work David on confirming some of the names and identifying another possible missing name.

Adam
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not managed to locate an unveiling report yet.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ADAMS, David
Rank: Private
Service No: 251094
Date of Death: 11/05/1917
Regiment/Service: Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders 6th Bn.
Grave Reference: I. D. 8
Cemetery: ROCLINCOURT VALLEY CEMETERY
Additional Information: Place of Birth—Paisley
Enlisted in Paisley
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ADAMSON, ROBERT MENZIES
Rank: Private
Service No: 13404
Date of Death: 10/10/1917
Regiment/Service: Scots Guards 1st Bn.
Panel Reference: Panel 10.
Memorial: TYNE COT MEMORIAL
Additional Information: Place of Birth—Kirkintilloch
Enlisted in Paisley
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BAILLIE, WILLIAM M.
Rank: Private
Service No: S/12444
Date of Death: 13/08/1916
Regiment/Service: Cameron Highlanders 6th Bn.
Grave Reference: III. P. 30.
Cemetery: POZIERES BRITISH CEMETERY, OVILLERS-LA BOISSELLE
Additional Information: Place of Birth—Paisley, resided in Paisley
Enlisted in Paisley.
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