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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:35 am    Post subject: Glenaray & Inveraray WW1 (Inverary Parish Church) Reply with quote

Located within Inveraray Parish Church. Thanks to Hugh Macrae for the picture;

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is already a civic war memorial posted for Inverary. I would suggest that it is a church memorial but the large number of names suggests otherwise because it is nearly the same number as on the other memorial, unless Inverary only had one church at the time?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I posted here going by the inscription "Those from Glenaray and Inveraray Parish".
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes, I think this one will need more investigation so it should stay here for now.

Thanks

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the Glenaray & Inveraray Parish Church website;

THE 1914-1918 MEMORIAL

This war memorial was unveiled by the late Elspeth Campbell on 7th September 1924. It bears 65 names, a sad loss to a small community.

Rev Gillespie Campbell, Minister of the Gaelic congregation, compsed the Gaelic inscription:-

Mairidh an ainm agus an cliu gu suthainnClach air carn cuimhne nan laogh.
(Their name and their fame will last forever; a stone on the cairn of memory of the heroes).

The Memorial bears also the Burning Bush, the Campbell motto 'Ne Obliviscaris' (Do not forget), the Galley of Lorn and on a small lectern a book containing on vellum, the names of all who served in the War. (There are 216 names)

The cost of the memorial was paid for by the Woman's Guild.

THE 1939-1945 MEMORIAL

This War Memorial was unveiled on 10th January 1971 by Mr. John Campbell, M.M. (Drummer Campbell), a vetern of world War 1.

It bears 11 names.

Colynn C.F. Gillespie, George Johnston, James H. Mouat, William K. Ross, John F. Thursby, Duncan A. Blair, William R. Buntain, Donald B. Campbell, Philip J. Devine, Neil Douglas, Alastair F. Gillespie.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So we'll agree this is church then?

I see there was a roll of honour. I wonder if they still have it?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Re Violet Ross named on memorial. I note from other sources that she was a Sergeant in the W.A.A.C. but no record on CWGC. Any info if this was a 'Died in Service' or post war natural death?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From UKNIWM:

Inveraray, Glenaray and Inveraray Parish Church Parishioners, Great War, Served
Location - Glenaray and Inveraray Parish Church , Mid Argyll
UKNIM Ref no. 44608 (This is the Prayer Desk and Plaque)

GLENARAY and INVERARY PARISHIONERS WW1 Served.
UKNIWM Details: Memorial No: 44606
Address: Parish Church, Main Street Inverary (Strathclyde)
O.S. Map Ref: NN 090 080
Denomination: Church of Scotland
Type: Board/Plaque/Tablet

Inscription: Roll of Honour from the Parish of Gleary* and Inverary who served in the Great War 1914/1918

*Gleary will be a typo and should read Glenaray

Physical Description: Plaque with attached Prayer Desk containing Book of Remembrance.
Plaque decorated with an embossed galley, the sign of the Lords of Lorne and part of the arms of the Dukedom of Argyll/

Wars Commemorated & People Remembered:
War: First World War (1914-1918)
Total Names on Memorial: 281
Served and returned: 216
Died: 65
Is this an exact count? Yes
How are the names ordered? Surname
What information is listed on the memorial? Surname, Regiment, Forename
Do we hold a list of names on the memorial? No

Maintenance:
Are the letters difficult to read? No
Maintenace History: The Book was stolen in he 1980s and recovered from a London Antique Dealer*

Ceremonies: Not known

From the Glenaray & Inveraray Parish Church website:

THE 1914-1918 MEMORIAL

This war memorial was unveiled by the late Elspeth Campbell on 7th September 1924. It bears 65 names, a sad loss to a small community.

Rev Gillespie Campbell, Minister of the Gaelic congregation, composed the Gaelic inscription:-

Mairidh an ainm agus an cliu gu suthainnClach air carn cuimhne nan laogh.
(Their name and their fame will last forever; a stone on the cairn of memory of the heroes).

The Memorial bears also the Burning Bush, the Campbell motto 'Ne Obliviscaris' (Do not forget), the Galley of Lorn and on a small lectern a book containing on vellum, the names of all who served in the War. (There are 216 names)

The cost of the memorial was paid for by the Woman's Guild.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To the Glory of God and in Grateful Remembrance of those from
Glenaray and Inverary Parish who fell in the Great War

1914 Ne Oblivis Caris* 1918 (*Clan Campbell Motto: Do Not Forget/Forget Not)

W. D. Kirkland
Alaster MacArthur
Hugh A. Munro
Norman Shairp
Gerald Campbell
Hugh E. Kirkland
Ernest Smith
Ivar Campbell
Daniel F. Jackson
Robert Campbell M. Smith
Edward McCallum
Colin Ross
George D. Fraser
Duncan Leitch Munro
T. D. Cotcher
Archibald McV. Sinclair
Peter McVicar
John Buchanan
Robert Bell
William Black
Donald L.Monro
Louis Fred Munroe
Violet Ross
Malcolm Sinclair
W. Murray Smith
Daniel Thomson
Robert Campbell
James Lough
Duncan Morrison
John McVicar
Alex. Munro Ross
Archibald Bain
Malcolm Bell
Andrew H. Black
James Campbell
Ian M. Campbell
Andrew Campbell
Robert Campbell
Neil Campbell
Ernest Caush
John Caush
Alexander Goldie
John McInnes Guthrie
John Johnston
William Kennedy
William Lamont
Dugald Livingston
William Liddell
Archibald McArthur
Alexander McDiarmid
Andrew McLean
Angus McLean
Colin McKenzie
Peter McLaren
Duncan McMillan
John McPhedran
Archibald McVicar
Donald McVicar
John McVicar
Alexander McVicar
William McVicar
William Oliver
Ian Rose
Archibald Sinclair
Peter Sinclair
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adam Brown wrote:
There is already a civic war memorial posted for Inverary. I would suggest that it is a church memorial but the large number of names suggests otherwise because it is nearly the same number as on the other memorial, unless Inverary only had one church at the time?

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The Kirkland brothers were both born in Australia - so unlikely to have been members of the congregation???

KIRKLAND, WILLIAM DUNCAN.
Rank:Major
Date of Death:22/07/1917
Age:26
Regiment/Service:Australian Army Medical Corps
2nd Field Amb
Awards:M C
Grave ReferenceIII. D. 15.
CemeteryRENINGHELST NEW MILITARY CEMETERY
Additional Information:
Son of Hugh and Duncania Kirkland. Born Bathurst, New South Wales.

KIRKLAND, HUGH EDWARD.
Rank:Captain
Date of Death:03/10/1918
Age:26
Regiment/Service:Australian Army Medical Corps
attd. 2nd Brigade. Australian Field Artillery
Awards:M C
Grave ReferenceI. M. 1.
CemeteryROISEL COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION
Additional Information:
Son of Hugh and D. Kirkland. Born at Bathurst, New South Wales.

and both awarded the Military Cross.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There seems to be quite a bit of confusion over the Inverary memorials.

According to UKNIWM, the ones in Inverary Parish Church are:

Boer War Roll of Honour: 44621
WW1 Prayer Desk and Plaque (including a Roll of Honour): 44608
WW2 Plaque: 44607

BUT........

Also on the UKNIWM site there is a memorial referred to as 44615.


If you go on to read the whole page, it's a but wonky. The heading says that it's a WW2 memorial, but the rest of the info refers to the WW1 Plaque.

The Civic Memorial at the shore in UKNIWM No. 5969.

The Church in which the above memorials are housed used to be split down the middle - the front half being 'English' and the back half 'Gaelic'. I presume that meant it was the language used!

There is also an Episcopal Church in Inverary which I believe has a tower as a WW1 memorial, but as yet, I'm not sure if there's any names included.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was a little bit hesitant about the Kirklands being members of the congregation because William's records show him having served for 2 years (pre-war) with the Scottish Rifles.
However later in the file this is clarified to be the New South Wales Scottish Rifles. He qualified as a doctor (MB) from Sydney University in 1913. So never set foot in Scotland?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Kirkland brothers were both born in Australia - so unlikely to have been members of the congregation???


Ken. They are Officers and now doubt have tenious family links to the area. It is not unusual for members of the landed gentry to have their relatives added to memorials, when in fact the casualty might never have been been to the parish concerned. He might have had a " jaunt " to Scotland when on leave, but it hardly would qualify in my view. All NOK are in Australia, as you say.

I see they are on the other memorial too.

Funnily enough, it did not work that way for the OR's.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have a precedent of Australian officers being recorded as communicants at a Scottish church:

http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=1716

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