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alan



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I popped into Strathblane graveyard today and took a pic which I think proves Gunner Callander's name is spelled incorrectly on the war memorial.
If this were to be proved conclusively, is this something that could be corrected? I can't get over that a mistake like this could be made for a man who gave his life for his country.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alan wrote:
I popped into Strathblane graveyard today and took a pic which I think proves Gunner Callander's name is spelled incorrectly on the war memorial.
If this were to be proved conclusively, is this something that could be corrected? I can't get over that a mistake like this could be made for a man who gave his life for his country.



It happens. Variations in spelling are more common on WW1 memorials but I have seen examples on WW2. One family I know of used McMyn and McMinn during their own lives (born as McMyn, married and served as McMinn - McMyn on family gravestone)
In your case, it might have been a mistake but it might just have been how the name was known locally.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gunner Callander is listed on our 'sister' site (The Scottish War Graves Project), see:

http://scottishwargraves.phpbbweb.com/viewtopic.php?t=992&mforum=scottishwargraves

As Ken said, unfortunately mistakes are made in names - we've come across this many times especially when it comes to Mc/Mac/Mack etc. More commonly seen on WW1 memorials than on WW2.

I was recently in contact with CWGC when I found an error on one of their stones in St. Peter's Cemetery in Glasgow. The man's name was Longridge and on the stone, it was inscribed as Longlidge. It was a WW2 stone, so hopefully now that I've sent photos, birth certificates and a load of other 'proof', eventually, the inscription will be amended.

I'm not sure how you would go about getting a memorial changed. Maybe if you were to contact Stirlingshire Council?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 1:40 pm    Post subject: Gunner Callander Reply with quote

Dear Alan,

I am writing in response to your query regarding the correction of a name. This can be corrected if the custodian of the memorial is happy for this to be done. The ease by which this can be done will depend on the material and style of the memorial.

You may find War Memorials Trust's helpsheet on the Addition of names useful as it contains a lot of relevant information: http://www.warmemorials.org/uploads/publications/115.pdf

I hope that this is of interest. If we can be of any assistance please do not hesitate to contact us.

Kind Regards
Emma Nelson
Conservation Officer
War Memorials Trust
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought the info on this link was really useful. Since the question of adding or amending a name seems to come up quite often should this link be made a "sticky" (whatever that is) so that it is made more visible?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Ken,

I am glad that you found this helpsheet useful and am more than happy for this information to be shared and made more visible.

I am afraid I do not know what you mean about making it a 'sticky' however, I am happy either for someone else to do this or to do it myself if anyone can inform me of how to go about it.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Emma,

If you create a post in the "useful links" section for this link I will ensure it remains at the top of the page for people to see (That's what making it "sitcky" means).

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear David,

I have now done this.

Thank you for your help with this.

Emma Nelson
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WILFRED (or WILLIAM) BLAKE MOYES

Listed on the Memorial as Wilfred B. Moyes

CWGC:
Wilfred Blake Moyes
Rank: Serjeant
Service No: G/18669
Date of Death: 26/03/1918
Age: 30
Regiment/Service: The Queen's (Royal West Surrey Regiment) 8th Bn.
Awards: M M
Grave Reference: IX. G. 1.
Cemetery: ST. PIERRE CEMETERY, AMIENS
Additional Information: Son of the Rev. W. B. Moyes, B.D., and Clara Moyes, of The Manse, Strathblane, Stirlingshire.
Enlisted Aug., 1914.
Educated at Uppingham, and New College Oxford, took his M.A. at Glasgow University when studying for the Scotch Bar.

SNWM:
Surname MOYES
Forename William Blake
Rank Sgt
Service number G/18669
Decoration MM
Place of birth Strathblane Stirling
Date of death 25 March 1918
Theatre of death F&F
Cause of death Died of wounds.
SNWM roll SCOTTISH CASUALTIES EXTRACTED FROM ENGLISH REGIMENTS
Unit name THE QUEEN'S ROYAL WEST SURREY REGIMENT.
Other detail 8th Bn.

SDGW:
William Blake Moyes, born Strathblane, residence Strathblane
Enlisted at Guildford, Surrey
Sergeant, 8th Bn., Queen’s (Royal West Surrey) Regiment, M.M.
No: G/18669
Died of wounds: 25th March 1918

London Gazette:
Military Medal: 22nd February 1918, Issue 3050, Page 2646
See: https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/30540/supplement/2426

“18669, Corporal (Lance Sergeant) W. B. Moyes, Royal West Surrey Regiment (Strathblane, North Britain)”

Glasgow University Roll of Honour:
Sergeant Wilfred Blake Moyes
Rank: Sergeant
Regiment: Queens Royal West Surrey Regiment
Degree: MA
Awards: Military Medal
Comments: Died of wounds in France 26 March 1918 (aged 30)

Birth Certificate:
William Blake Moyes, born 29th January 1888 at The Manse, Strathblane
Son of William Begbie Moyes, Clergyman & Clara Moyes nee Bennett
Parent's Marriage: 21st December 1886, Holy Trinity Church, London

1891 Census:
Living at The Manse, Strathblane
William B. Moyes, Head, age 30, Minister of the Parish of Strathblane, born c1861, Glasgow
Clara Moyes, Wife, age 30, born c1861, England
William B. Moyes, Son, age 3, born c1888, Strathblane
Eustace F. Moyes, Son, age 2, born c1889, Strathblane
Edith Moyes, Daughter, age 3 months, born c1891, Strathblane

1901 Census (England):
Living at Hill House School, Filsham(?) Road, Parish of St. Leonards, Hastings,Sussex, England
Wilfred B. Moyes, age 13, Schoolboy, born Strathblane, Scotland
Eustace F. Moyes, age 11, Schoolboy, born Strathblane, Scotland

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William known as Wilfred? Wilfred known as William? Confused
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"REMOVED FROM THE ARMY" while a 2nd Lieutenant in the 10th/11th HLI????

What was that all about???

Incidentally, while looking for some info., I ran across this article in The Herald (published 4 August 2014) about the researching of the memorial by a local group.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/comment/columnists/first-world-war-centenary-uncovering-our-lost-boys.24888888
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A WILLIAM Blake Moyes appears in The London Gazette
Publication date:28 August 1914 Supplement:28885 Page:6891
The undermentioned Cadets and ex-Cadets,
Officers' Training Corps, to be temporary
Second Lieutenants.
GENERAL LIST.
Dated 1st September 1914

Did he change to WILFRED when he re-enlisted????
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The London Gazette
Publication date:29 August 1916 Supplement:29729 Page:8583

High. L.I.
Temp. Lt. W. B. Moyes is removed from
the Army, His Majesty having no further
occasion for his services. 31 Aug. 1916.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no idea what's going on Ken!

I've never seen 'Removed from the army' before - that was my main reason for posting his MIC (in case anyone thought I had got it wrong!).

He was Wilfred on the 1901 Census, so was called that as a wee boy.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It may interest you to know that a group of Strathblane locals have published a book about the 27 men listed on Strathblane War Memorial who fell in the First World War.

Details here -

http://www.strathblanefield.org.uk/history/avillageremembers.html
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Rigg Robert Corporal S/7257 2nd Bn. Gordon Highlanders b Milngavie,M'lothian e Langholm Age 21 Died of Wounds Pas de Calais, France 17/05/1915 Son of John and Isabella Rigg, of Westerton of Mugdock, Milngavie, Glasgow. LONGUENESSE (ST. OMER) SOUVENIR CEMETERY I. A. 122.
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