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James Tabago



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 9:43 pm    Post subject: Cairnhill Roll of Honour Reply with quote

hello
not sure if I'm posting this in the right place so apologies in advance. I am working with a group of young people and volunteers and we have a framed picuture titled 'Cairnhill Roll of Honour' it has 96 names on it with photographs of each person. We beleive that Cairnhill is located near Portlethan (aberdeenshire) and Skateraw (newtonhill). I have a photo of the picutre (not sure how to attach) We are wondering is there a memorial for Cairnhill? or is the framed picture the memorial?
One other puzzle is that the first name is a Lieut. W. H. Grant Seaforths, but we can only find one WH Grant seaforths on the CWGC and its on a memorial in Granton on Spey. Any help would be very much appreciated, or if you can point us in the right direction. If you let me know how to attach the picture that might help folk, thank you
J
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DelBoy



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it a WW1 or WW2 roll of honour do you know?

Anne Park or Kinnethmont are more familiar with the area and would know what parish the area lies within.

How did you come by it?

Derek.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome, You have to post a picture on a hosting site like photobucket or flickr first, then post the link as an img.

Full info here http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=470

Look forward to seeing the memorial.

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James Tabago



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello
thank you for your replies. The memorial is for WW1, and one of the photographs is a volunteers father Pte. W Murray, Gordons. She brought it in to show the young people to see if they would be interested and of course they were.
All we know is that Cairnhill is near Cookney, Newtonhill Skateraw which we discovered in somewhere between Portlethan and stonehaven. We don't know if its the name of a farm or area. On the memorial there are photographs of 18 who died and the others are named as 'they also fought for king & country'
I will try and get the picutre attached but I'm not that sure what 'flicker' is!!! will give it a go.
Our plan we hope is to link all the names with the photographs and then try and find a bit more about them.
Thank you very much for your help so far
J
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James Tabago



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello
I'm not really sure about this, got the picture onto photobucket tried to follow the instructions, but couldn't see anything that said 'address URL' so just copied what was in the address bar, let me know if this works, thank you

[img]http://s1263.photobucket.com/albums/ii640/james188tabago/[/img]
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James Tabago



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hello again
tried again, let me know, I'm a bit out of my depth here, so if this doesn't work we'll have to try something else
J

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James Tabago



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello
what a suprise I got when I saw that something had worked and I really don't know how I did it!!!
J
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Adam Brown
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

James

Not only has it worked it has shown a fantastic roll of honour. A photographic record of all those who served as well as died. What a special piece of local history that it. Many thanks for sharing it with us.

Kind regards

Adam
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DelBoy



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It loos fantastic! Well done on uploading it.
So the 18 men in the cross are those who perished, i see.

It would be great to have a transcription of the mens details so the info could be shared.

Derek.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This definitely seems to be an original memorial rather than a print or copy. I wonder how it came to leave its original location?

Is there any chance of close up photographs of the inscriptions?

Sorry I cannot help with information about the locality - it's all a very long way from here but hopefully someone with local knowledge will be able to give you info.

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James Tabago



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello
the picuture is mounted in a wooden frame with glass, and stuck onto some sort of backing on the backing is written in pencil 'aberdeen' (on left side) and either 'a' or 'h' Taylor (on right side)
underneath the cross (written very small) Taylor Photographic ???????? really difficult to make out.
We were thinking that maybe those that had died or served were given the opportunity to 'buy' one of these photographs, instead of their being a memorial stone. Is this a likely thing to have happened? The volunteer who owns the picuture, knows that it has always been in the house and it has her father's photo on it - Pte. W. Murray listed as No. 10 in the index. The young folk have transcribed what's written gives rank, name and regiment. There appears to be quite a diverse lot Gordons, London Reg. Scots Guards, Royal Navy, Royal Medical corp. Seaforths, Black Watch, tank corp, scots rifes and even an autralian plus others but if Cairnhill is such a small place is it feasible that of the 96 listed they would join so many different regiments?
Suppose the big question is why was this created in the first place
J
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

James

Such a large number of units on one roll is common. You just have to look at the other memorials and rolls of honour on this site to see that.

By 1918 men could be transferred to any regiment or corps to fill the gaps.

If this roll comes from the North-east it is likely the Gordons would be the most numerous unit listed but I'm sure there will be quite a few from Royal Field Artillery, Royal Garrison Artillery and Army Service Corps. I wouldn't be surprised if you find all the other Scottish regiments listed too.

I would suggest this was created for a local community hall rather than being for the families to buy. However I'm only suggesting that because I haven't heard of that before.

Would it be possible to get a transcription of the names, ranks and units of those who died and post them here. If we can help identify the men we may be able to help find the area it came from.

If you look at some of the 'Other' sections within this forum you will see many rolls of honour to those who served and died. It was very common across the country. Communities, churches, schools, clubs, businesses all created them.

Kind regards

Adam
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

James

Have you compared the names against the entries for Cookney?

I see a Lt W Grant listed on it.

There are 32 names listed on it. Perhaps Cairnhill is a district within Cookney & Fetteresso Parish?

Thanks

Adam
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James Tabago



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello
thank you for all your help, I have compared the Cookney memorial and it looks like of those on the picture are on the Cookney memorial. One question on the picture there is Lieut. W. H. Grant, Seaforths, but on the Cookney memorial its Lieut. W Grant, can I assume its the same one?
the others are
Stf. Sergt. H W C Philip, RAMC
Cpl. W Armstrong, Gordons
Rfm. Jr R Beaton, Lon Reg
Pte. T Armstrong, Scots Guard
Pte. D Robertson, Gordons
Pte. Jas. Riddell, Gordons
Pte. Al. Christie, Gordons
Pte. R Spark, RN Div
Pte. W. Watt. Black, RN Div
Perhaps the other names might be on other memorials in the surrounding area.
J
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James Tabago



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello
sorry should have added some of the names of those who also served might be related. example
Stf. Sergt. H W C Philip RAMC there is another one named as Capt. W P Philip RAMC.
Sorry about all these questions, would you know what the letters mean on this persons entry?
L Btm. J. D. Langlois, C.G.
Fit/cadet. R. B. Fufton, RAF
thank you
J
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