The Scottish Military Research Group - Commemorations Project

Ruthie · Joined: 26 Oct 2011 Posts: 17 Location: Alloa

Hi, i have a John Bryans on my hubbys side of the tree who was killed in action in france on the 26/9/1915 he was with the 11th batt Arg & Suth Highlanders, ive not got a clue where to start looking for info about him or which memorial he would be on ive had a look at the Falkirk memorials as thats where the family was staying but i havent been able to find him. any help would be great
Ruthie
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anne park · Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 4:39 pm Post subject: Info from Commonwealth War Graves

Name: BRYANS, JOHN
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders
Unit Text: 11th Bn.
Age: 28
Date of Death: 26/09/1915
Service No: S/3806
Additional information: Son of Alexander and Jane Bryans, of 44, Hyde Park St., Anderston; husband of Mary C. Bryans, of 12, Shaftesbury St., Anderston, Glasgow.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 125 to 127.
Memorial: LOOS MEMORIAL

Kenneth Morrison · Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 4:39 pm Post subject:

The Commonwealth War Graves Commission's Debt of Honour Register at: http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=728752

Name: BRYANS, JOHN
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders
Unit Text: 11th Bn.
Age: 28
Date of Death: 26/09/1915
Service No: S/3806
Additional information: Son of Alexander and Jane Bryans, of 44, Hyde Park St., Anderston; husband of Mary C. Bryans, of 12, Shaftesbury St., Anderston, Glasgow.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 125 to 127.
Memorial: LOOS MEMORIAL

The Scottish National War Memorial has:
Surname BRYANS
Firstname John
Service Number S/3806
Date Death 26/09/1915
Decoration
Place of birth Anderston Lanarkshire
Other 11th Bn.
SNWM roll THE ARGYLL AND SUTHERLAND HIGHLANDERS
Rank Pte

You should be able to find DoB and marriage details at www.scotlandspeople.co.uk

I doubt if John will appear on any War Memorial but.......
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Adam Brown · Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 4:40 pm Post subject:

His CWGC details show him as having Glasgow connections rather than Falkirk. CWGC details were taken after the war though so aren't necessarily an indication of where the family came from or were living during the war.

BRYANS, JOHN
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders
Unit Text: 11th Bn.
Age: 28
Date of Death: 26/09/1915
Service No: S/3806
Additional information: Son of Alexander and Jane Bryans, of 44, Hyde Park St., Anderston; husband of Mary C. Bryans, of 12, Shaftesbury St., Anderston, Glasgow.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 125 to 127.
Memorial: LOOS MEMORIAL

anne park

Name: John Bryans
Birth Place: Anderston, Lanarks
Death Date: 26 Sep 1915
Death Location: France & Flanders
Enlistment Location: Glasgow, Lanarks
Rank: Private
Regiment: Princess Louise's (Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders)
Battalion: 11th Battalion
Number: S/3806
Type of Casualty: Killed in action
Theatre of War: Western European Theatre

anne park · Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 4:44 pm Post subject: Census 1891

Name: John Bryans
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Alexander Bryans
Mother's Name: Jane Bryans
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 644/10
Registration district: Anderston
Civil parish: Glasgow Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 9, McAlpine St
ED: 40
Household schedule number: 15
Line: 25
Roll: CSSCT1891_282
Household Members: Name Age
Alexander Bryans 34
Jane Bryans 37
Martha Bryans 11
Alexander Bryans 7
John Bryans 3
Mary Bryans 9 MO

anne park · Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 4:45 pm Post subject: Census 1901

Name: John Bryans
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Alexander Bryans
Mother's Name: Jane Bryans
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 644/10
Registration district: Anderston
Civil parish: Glasgow Anderston
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 2 Shaftesbury Lane
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 28
Household schedule number: 126
Line: 12
Roll: CSSCT1901_305
Household Members: Name Age
Alexander Bryans 45
Jane Bryans 47
Alexander Bryans 17
John Bryans 13
Mary Bryans 10

Adam Brown · Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 4:48 pm Post subject:

Blimey, great minds. Three CWGC entries in as many minutes!

There is the Glasgow Roll of Honour online now which shows which company he worked for in lieu of an address:

BRYANS John Private Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders Rowan & Co. Engineers

Rowan & Co. seem to have been connected to the shipbuilding industry. I think this helps confirm that although he may have had Flakirk connections he was in Glasgow before the war.

Adam

Jim · Joined: 30 May 2008 Posts: 195

Rowan & Co is probably David Rowan & Co of Elliot Street. That would tie in with the Anderston addresses. A lot of local men worked there. They were marine engine builders and boilermakers.

My late father worked for David Rowan & Co. They had a large engineering shed at the river end of Elliot Street opposite Betty's Bar, a notorious local hostelry.

Rowan's merged with Fairfield in 1963 to become Fairfield Rowan.

There are pics on http://canmore.rcahms.gov.uk/en/site/90324/details/glasgow+153+239+elliot+street+engineering+works/

Ruthie · Joined: 26 Oct 2011 Posts: 17 Location: Alloa

wow thank you all for the information, thats much more than i thought i would get, i now know who to ask if i find another soldier Laughing

many many thanks
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spoons · Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 1:21 pm Post subject:

There is an entry for a John Bryan (note no S) in the Glasgow Evening Times Roll of Honour. Served in Argyl and Sutherland Highlanders. Published on 16 Nov 1915 (page 3). The index shows a date of death of 26 Nov 1915, which is obviously wrong.
I believe that the newspaper entry contained a photograph.
I hope this is your man, if so and you get the item, please post the photo on the forum.

\Paul

Jim · Joined: 30 May 2008 Posts: 195

John Bryans, aged 13, is mentioned above as living at 2 Shaftesbury Lane.

There a photograph of the corner of Shaftesbury St and Shaftesbury Lane in 1912 on the Virtual Mitchell site at

http://www.mitchelllibrary.org/virtualmitchell/index.php?a=street&s=item&key=rYToxOntpOjA7czoxNDoiU2hhZnRlc2J1cnkgU3QiO30=&pg=1

Ruthie · Joined: 26 Oct 2011 Posts: 17 Location: Alloa

Sorry to tell everyone but it is begining to look as if this isnt my huddys great grand father, having become firm friends with Scotlandspeople ive found John Bryans marriage entry, his parents are listed as Wm Henry Bryans, and Isabella Todd Bryans, his new wife is Euphenima Moodie which doesnt match the info about the John Bryans that you have all kindly dug up for me. moral of my story is, family stories are just that, stories. until you can prove other wise

P.S he was living in Boyd st Falkirk and was an ironworker.
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Kenneth Morrison · Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 1:48 pm Post subject:

Oh you mean this John Bryans:

Name: BRYANS, JOHN
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders
Unit Text: 1st/7th Bn.
Age: 27
Date of Death: 15/11/1916
Service No: 4171
Additional information: Husband of Euphemia Hay (formerly Bryans), of 69, Main St., Bainsford, Falkirk.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Pier and Face 15 A and 16 C.
Memorial: THIEPVAL MEMORIAL
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Ruthie · Joined: 26 Oct 2011 Posts: 17 Location: Alloa

we need a kissy emote, yes Kenneth thank you very much thats my man, so it looks as if the stories were correct just some of the info was wrong Laughing

your a star
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