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Pte William Scott, Black Watch, died 1st July 1918~?

 
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 5:57 pm    Post subject: Pte William Scott, Black Watch, died 1st July 1918~? Reply with quote



Pte William Scott, Black Watch, died in hospital 1st July 1918.

His name appears on a Roll of Honour for the Ancient Order of Foresters in Hawick.

Can anyone find the name to match the date of death?

I have exhausted my research with this.

(But I have a sneaking suspicion that I may have found him though it is a little tenuous to say the least - I wont say anything else until someone else can prove that they can't trace him with the date of 1st July, 1918)
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The only soldier named Scott listed by CWGC died that date.

Name: SCOTT
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Boy
Regiment/Service: Manchester Regiment
Unit Text: 3rd Bn.
Date of Death: 01/07/1918
Service No: 75919
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: G. C.E. 1021.
Cemetery: MANCHESTER (PHILIPS PARK) CEMETERY
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:00 am    Post subject: Found this on Ancestry Reply with quote

Name: William Scott
Birth Place: Castleton, Roxburghshire
Death Date: 1 Jul 1918
Death Location: India
Enlistment Location: Lochgelly
Rank: Private
Regiment: Cameronians (Scottish Rifles)
Battalion: 1st Garrison Battalion
Number: 29509
Type of Casualty: Died
Theatre of War: Asiatic Theatres
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:19 am    Post subject: Medal Roll info Reply with quote

Name: William Scott
Regiment or Corps: 2nd Royal Highlanders, Scottish Rifles
Regimental Number: S/7076, 29509
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anne,

THANK YOU for that - you have confirmed what I thought that the man was:

Name: SCOTT, WILLIAM
Initials: W
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Cameronians (Scottish Rifles)
Unit Text: 1st Bn.
Date of Death: 01/08/1918
Service No: 29509
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Face 5.
Memorial: KIRKEE 1914-1918 MEMORIAL

I had found the MIC details but what you found on Ancestry has proved a direct link with the 1st July 1918. And so I'm 99% sure that we have the right man.
I now wonder which was the real date of death was?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It could have been a transcription error by CWGC, why not ask them if they can check the original manuscript documents?

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is not a CWGC error.
The original register gives the 1st August 1918 date, as provided by the Army.

In common with others on the Kirkee Memorial, he was originaly buried in a Cantonment Cemetery which became unmaintaiable.
William Scott is buried in Poona (St. Sepulchre’s) Cemetery, Grave: A.450
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim,

What's the official definition for a cemetery to be declared "unmaintainable"?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There are various resons why this can be, it happens here with individual graves, at times.
In this case it was due to the partition of India, Civil unrest circa 1947 etc, which meant they could no longer be maintained by CWGC. Their only option to commmemorate the casualties, as required by the Charter, is by a memorial for this purpose ie. Kirkee Memorial within the cemetery there.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks. I did wonder why he is listed on a memorial but died in a hospital.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kinnethmont wrote:
William Scott is buried in Poona (St. Sepulchre’s) Cemetery, Grave: A.450


See here for a fairly recent news item about this cemetery in Pune:

http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_christians-accuse-caretaker-of-running-illegal-nursery-in-hadapsar_1545862

It may help explain why William Scott and other Great War soldiers are now commemorated on the Kirkee Memorial.

Kirkee Cemetery is actually in Pune but it commemorates burials from across this part of North India.

There are other memorials in Karachi, Chennai (Madras) and Dehli which serve he same purpose for other parts of India and Pakistan

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2018 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just come to this (7 years late Rolling Eyes )

He is named on the Liddesdale War Memorial in Newcastleton, Roxburghshire as:

PTE. WILLIAM M. SCOTT BLACK WATCH.
William Scott – age 32 – Private (29509) 1st Garrison Battalion, Cameronians (Scottish Rifles)
William was a colliery labourer at Glencraig, Fife when he married in October 1914. He enlisted in Lochgelly and as Private (S/7076) he joined the 2nd Black Watch (Royal Highlanders) in France in October 1915. At some point he was transferred to the 1st Garrison Battalion of the Scottish Rifles which had been formed in February 1916 and moved to India. William died at Poona in July 1918.
Born 1886 in Castleton as William Milligan. (Source: SNWM and GRoS – Birth Register)
Son of Rachel (Milligan) Scott and step-son of John Scott who married in 1889 in Castleton.
(Source:1891 census and GRoS – Marriage Register)
Husband of Elizabeth (Roxburgh) Scott who he married in 1914 in Ballingry, Lochore, Fife.
(Source: Army Registers of Soldiers effects and GRoS – Marriage Register)
Died on Service – 1 July 1918.
Commonwealth War Grave – Poona (St. Sepulchre's) Cemetery, India.

The War Memorial in Ballingry for the Benarty District of Fife does not have names and it may be that he is named on the War Memorial in Saline.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's not on Saline memorial.

http://www.lostancestors.eu/memwar/S/Saline.htm
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derek - there is in the Scottish Rifles section but whether this is the same man??????

Scottish Rifles
Lieut. John Findley
Sgt. A. R. Maxwell Robertson
Pte. William Scott
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

William was the husband of Lizzie Roxburgh, Woodside Terrace, Saline, Fife.
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