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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 10:11 pm    Post subject: Stirling: Erskine United Free Church Reply with quote

There are two references to this memorial but no clue to its current location.

It is on the UKNIWM ref 5801.

From "The Scotsman" 14th February 1921

STIRLING

In the Erskine U.F. Church, Stirling , a memorial for the men of the congregation who fell in the war was unveiled by the Hon. Wm. Watson, K.C. , Advocate-Depute, and dedicated by the Rev. G.G. Campbell, M.A. Alloa
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Eskine Church is now Stirling YMCA - possibly the memorial is still there?

Only the facade of the original chuch remains and there's a couple of men listed on family graves (non of them CWGC burials), see here:

http://scottishwargraves.phpbbweb.com/viewtopic.php?t=994&mforum=scottishwargraves

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stirling Observer - February 15th 1921
Erskine UF Church
William Birrel, Private, 6th Seaforths
Arthur Binnie, Private, KRR
Robert Campbell, Sergeant, A&S Highlanders
Francis Coleman, Lance Corporal, A&S Highlanders (Family stone, Ballengeich Cemetery)
John B Cullens, Private, A&S Highlanders (Family stone, Valley Cemetery)
John Calder, Private, RF ASC
John Dixon, Private, RS
Alex Haney, Private, A&S Highlanders
Thomas Hislop, Private, A&S Highlanders
Robert H McEwan, Captain, A&S Highlanders
James McNaught, Sergeant, A&S Highlanders (Family stone, Snowdon Cemetery)
James McInnes, Corporal, 45 Canadian Highlanders
Walter McMaster, Lance Corporal, A&S Highlanders
Andrew James Moir, Private, A&S Highlanders
John Murdoch, Private, KRR
Walter W Primrose, Lieutenant, RM
William S Phillips, Corporal, HLI
Thomas E Paterson, Private, 2nd Seaforths
Alexander Ramsay, Sergeant, Scottish Horse
David Roberts, Lance Corporal, A&S Highlanders
David Smith, Private, RSF
George Train, Private, 72nd Canadian Battalion
William H Brash, Private, 1st Gordon Highlanders (Family stone, Mar Cemetery)
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TRAINE, G. (with an "E")
Rank:Private
Service No:687017
Date of Death:30/10/1917
Regiment/Service:Canadian Infantry
72nd Bn.
Grave ReferenceVI. B. 18.
CemeteryNINE ELMS BRITISH CEMETERY [Belgium]

Born Stirling. Enlisted Kamloops, British Columbia.
http://www.canadiangreatwarproject.com/searches/soldierDetail.asp?ID=7370
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PRIMROSE, WALTER WINGATE.
Rank:Lieutenant
Date of Death:27/02/1917
Age:19
Regiment/Service:Royal Flying Corps
and R.N. Div. Royal Marines
Grave ReferenceF. 450.
CemeteryGLASGOW (CRAIGTON) CEMETERY
Additional Information:
Son of Robert and Catherine M. Primrose, of Springfield Manse, Bishopbriggs, Glasgow.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've added a few bits and pieces to columba's post above listing the men on the Erskine Church Memorial showing that some of them are listed on family gravestones in the various local cemeteries.

Ballengeich Cemetery, see: http://scottishwargraves.phpbbweb.com/viewtopic.php?t=448&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&mforum=scottishwargraves

Mar and Valley Cemeteries, see: http://scottishwargraves.phpbbweb.com/viewtopic.php?t=235&mforum=scottishwargraves

Snowdon Cemetery, see: http://scottishwargraves.phpbbweb.com/viewtopic.php?t=230&mforum=scottishwargraves
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kenneth Morrison wrote:
PRIMROSE, WALTER WINGATE.
Rank:Lieutenant
Date of Death:27/02/1917
Age:19
Regiment/Service:Royal Flying Corps
and R.N. Div. Royal Marines
Grave ReferenceF. 450.
CemeteryGLASGOW (CRAIGTON) CEMETERY
Additional Information:
Son of Robert and Catherine M. Primrose, of Springfield Manse, Bishopbriggs, Glasgow.


I couldn't think why this guy's name was familiar....

Posted by Delboy on Wed Oct 19, 2011 on the Bridge of Allan thread.
Walter Wingate Primrose, Lieut. R.A.F.
(Glasgow Herald 1st of March 1917)
"Primrose-
On 27th February (the result of an aeroplane accident) Walker Wingate, Lieutenant, R.N. aged 19.5 years, son of Robert Primrose, chaplain R.N.V.R. and Mrs Primrose, Bridge of Allan."

Also listed on the Kelvinside Academy memorial.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's an interesting mix of units for Lt Primrose.

Listed as RFC by CWGC and formerly RM, RND.
RAF on Bridge of Allan memorial
and RN in the paper!

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There does appear to be some interesting history (and questions) about this family. In 1911 they were in Stirling, then at some stage in Bridge of Allan, then Bishopbriggs - so why is Walter buried in the South side of Glasgow? His death was registered in Huntingdon.
As a Royal Marine, I would have expected him to join the Royal Naval Air Service rather than the RFC.
Robert Primrose was a Chaplain to the RN Division and served at Gallipoli(he has a Medal Card) There are some references which place Walter in the Division at that time and place; and he may have been seriously wounded there.
Interesting.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if Catherine was a Wingate? (Walter's middle name.)The Wingates were quite well known in Stirling - they had a printer/stationer's shop in Barnton Street (did wedding invitations etc). Probably closed in the 1980s.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sandra - Catherine was a Wingate (Catherine Michie Wingate) but from Kelvinside in Glasgow where her father (Walter) was a Calico Printer.
She was 21, while her new husband Robert 35 was a widower and United Presbyterian Church Minister of Dowanhill, Partick, Glasgow.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oops! Seems Wingates are still alive and printing! Shows how often I go along Barnton Street.
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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2014 6:32 pm    Post subject: Walter Wingate Primrose Reply with quote

Stirling Observer 1st September 1914
Rev Mr Primrose, Erskine Church, has been appointed chaplain to Glasgow Naval Volunteers. His son, Mr Clifford is in the navy and Mr Harold is in Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders. (paraphrased)
Like many other newspapers of the time, Stirling Observer printed a "roll of honour" of the names of men as they enlisted. I seem to remember another of Rev Mr Primrose's sons was named as having enlisted in 1915.
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2014 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Erskine Congregation merged with Viewfield Congregation to form Viewfield Erskine, worshipping in Viewfield Church. I had hoped that the memorial from Erskine went with the people but it seems not. I asked a friend to check and it is not on display in Viewfield (note the careful choice of words there - it may be out of the public view; I don't know.)
On the plus side, I now have photos of Viewfield's two war memorials, so watch this space!
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Update on this memorial. It is still lost!!

Doors Open Day was a good opportunity to visit the Youth Hostel which now occupies the site of Erskine Church. The warden had no information about a war memorial - there certainly wasn't one when the SYHA took over the lease of the building. I happened to be there at the same time as a lady who had brought along photos of the interior (it was her family kirk and her g grandfather is buried in the small graveyard attached). She has no memories of there ever being a war memorial and there was certainly nothing apparent on the photos.
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