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Unknown church parishioners WW1, Ayr Auld Kirk
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AyrColumbarium



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That now leaves James Kay, John Milne and James Robertson. I will soon be able to view the session minute records for the Church so hopefully they can shed some light on how these men are related to the Church members.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Possible????
KAY, J
Rank:Private
Service No:202565
Date of Death:27/08/1917
Regiment/Service:Royal Scots 16th Bn.
Grave Reference:I. C. 2.
Cemetery:HARGICOURT BRITISH CEMETERY
Additional Information:Husband of U. Kay, of 2, Hastings Place, Darvel, Ayrshire.
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AyrColumbarium



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ken - This is the only James Kay I could find, but I have yet to find a link to the Church as his family seem to have stayed/died in Darvel.
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James Brown



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 7:43 am    Post subject: Darlington church Reply with quote

hi Ken and columbarium
I've searched all my records the sdgw the cwgc the new New Zealand archive the Australian and Canadian archives. I've went through all my newspaper articles (8,690) and havnt been able to pinpoint with proper evidence if it's the names connected to the church. I went into the local Ayrshire history upstairs at the Carnegie library (across the road from the church) they don't have any leads I've spent a good few days on the microfiche. Sometimes this happens. The sands of time lose track of any factual evidence who some of these men are.
To put it into perspective I've researched every war memorial in Ayrshire There are only 9 memorials I've completed 100%. My own village war memorial took me 6 years to find one man to complete it. And that was a chance find in a newspaper article in 1924. Ive checked all church rolls of honour but most times you only get a name ...... Like this instance.
This is the best forum to find them ......... If they can can be traced with factual evidence I'm afraid.
We have done well in the circumstances I might add.
I'll keep looking
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AyrColumbarium



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

James - thanks so much for looking so thoroughly. It looks like the Session Minutes for the Church may be only records that could shed some light on the remaining names.

Question - do you find that men who were not killed in action, were discharged from the army but subsequently died of their wounds after returning home, would have their names on a memorial?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 10:40 am    Post subject: . Reply with quote

Hi Gillian
Yes if they died after returning home - from natural causes, wounds or complications - before the memorial was erected....in some cases as late as 1923-1924 they would 99.9% of the time be added.
Committees would be set up and the memorials would be commissioned Next of Kin, disabled servicemen, Regimental associations etc would be contacted.
On occasion there are instances where the family and all connection may have moved from the area where the soldier or deceased lived, worked or was born. Therefore by the time the memorial was erected they wouldnt be added.

I know if they wanted extra wording on gravestones NOK would have to pay per letter...I think, I may be wrong it was by letter, but they had to pay.
I dont know if they had to pay something towards the town and village memorial. Or whether it was all by donation.

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AyrColumbarium



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks James for the further information. I have still to get a date to see the Church session minutes, hopefully the answer lies there. I think we have exhausted the list of possible men killed in action and the last place to look is in Scotland's People website but it could cost me a fortune!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have managed to look at the Church records and I found a few more clues. One more soldier identified

Name: William John Milne
Age: 21
Birth Date: abt 1895
Death Date: 20 Nov 1916
Cemetery: Puchevillers British Cemetery
Burial Country: France
Father: William Milne
Mother: Annie Milne
Regiment: Royal Engineers
Regimental Number: 9774
Region or Memorial: France
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I have the best guess for another soldier. In the session records for the 2nd Sept 1918 it mention that Lt James Robertson was killed in action in France. His father and grandfather had been long standing members of the session.

Name: James Robertson
Death Date: 21 Aug 1918
Rank: 2 Lieutenant
Regiment: Royal Scots Fusiliers
Battalion: 4th Battalion (Territorial)
Type of Casualty: Killed in action

Is there any way to further verify if this could be the correct details?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:17 pm    Post subject: WMR (ex UKNIWM) number Reply with quote

The new plaque is WMR 80554, and the original tablet 80555.

80555 has the 1915 Roll of Honour on as a reference, as there is no evidence it actually ever existed, beyond a newspaper listing- something I have frequently experienced.
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