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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 8:20 pm    Post subject: David C Miller Reply with quote

The Stirling Roll of Honour has David C Miller, Pte 8th Gordons, 69 Baker Street, Stirling.
I tried Millar/Miller but couldn't find him on CWGC or SNWM; neither was there a medal card for him.

The Stirling Observer of 14th December 1915 had a report on his death:

Mrs Susan Millar, 69 Baker Street – son Pte David Canning Millar died at 17 CCS France on 3rd December; bullet wound in head; formerly in Scots Guards for 7 years; joined 8th Gordons in October 1914; employed in Newton Steel Works, Cambuslang; son of late Mr John Millar, waggon inspector, Stirling; unmarried; age 27. (paraphrased)

On a whim, I tried David Canning and Bingo!

CANNING, D
Rank: Private
Service No: S/1810
Date of Death: 03/12/1915
Age: 27
Regiment/Service: Gordon Highlanders 8th Bn.
Grave Reference: II. C. 17.
Cemetery: LIJSSENTHOEK MILITARY CEMETERY
Additional Information: Son of Mrs Canning, of 69, Baker St., Stirling
Surname CANNING
Forename David
Rank Pte
Service number S/1810
Decoration
Place of birth Govan Lanarkshire
Date of death 3 December 1915
Theatre of death F&F
Cause of death Died of wounds
SNWM roll THE GORDON HIGHLANDERS
Other detail 8th Bn.
Medal card: S/1810; theatre 1 France 10.5.15; d of w 3.12.15
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 5:37 am    Post subject: David C Millar b 1883 Govan Reply with quote

I have updated the info on David Canning. I found a researcher on Ancestry had a public tree. The father as David Millar was given but no mother and no death. I have posted info.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 5:53 am    Post subject: David Millar another one on Ancestry has him born Stirling Reply with quote

I have rechecked and found info. Will have to look into this more.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:49 am    Post subject: WW1 - Sec. Lieut. Sydney E. Brodie, Royal Fusiliers Reply with quote

The Glasgow Herald, Tuesday, 1st. May, 1917, page 6:- "CASUALTIES Notes on Officers OTHER REGIMENTS. Mr. Sydney (sic) BRODIE.- Wounded and missing. Mr. Peter Brodie, 1, Clifford Road, Stirling, has been officially informed that his fourth son, Second Lieutenant Sydney E. Brodie, Royal Fusiliers, has been wounded and is missing. He is 22 years of age and in civil life he was a baker in the employment of his father."

SNWM - WW1
Surname BRODIE
Forename Sidney Edward
Rank T/2nd Lieut
Service number
Decoration
Place of birth
Date of death 17 April 1917
Theatre of death Unknown
Cause of death Died of wounds.
SNWM roll SCOTTISH CASUALTIES EXTRACTED FROM ENGLISH REGIMENTS
Unit name ROYAL FUSILIERS CITY OF LONDON REGIMENT.
Other detail 17th Bn.

Service 1) Soldier Number: PS/6661, Rank: Private, Corps: 18th Royal Fusiliers.
Service 2) Soldier Number: TR/LON/61162, Rank: Acting Sergeant, Corps: 53rd Royal Fusiliers.
Service 3) Rank: Second Lieutenant, Corps: Royal Fusiliers.

Medal index ticket:- http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D1500214

CWGC - BRODIE, Sidney Edward
Rank: Second Lieutenant.
Date of Death: 17/04/1917. Age: 23.
Regiment/Service: Royal Fusiliers 17th Bn.
Panel Reference: Bay 3.
Memorial: ARRAS MEMORIAL
Additional Information: Son of Peter and Alice Brodie, of 1, Clifford Rd., Stirling.

1891 Census Stirlings., Stirling, Melville Terrace recorded (transcription):- Peter Brodie (41), Baker, and his wife Alice Brodie (25), both born Haddingtons., North Berwick.
1901 Census Stirlings., 1, Clifford Road, St. Ninian's, recorded as last:- Sydney (sic) Brodie (6), Scholar, born Stirling; parents as last; siblings.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 8:24 am    Post subject: WW1 - Pte. John Dowell, A. & S.H. Reply with quote

The Glasgow Herald, Friday, 7th December, 1917.
"Deaths on Service.
DOWELL.-
Killed on action on 24th November, 1917, John Dowell, tailor and clothier, 56 Barnton Street, Stirling, son of the late James Dowell, tailor and clothier, and of Mrs Dowell, 4 Irvine Place, Stirling."

Service records exist for this soldier.
Attested 8th December, 1915 at Stirling. Master Tailor. Age 33 11/12 years. Unmarried. N/K:- Marion Dowell, 4 Irvine Place, Stirling; mother.
Mobilized 25th May, 1917.
Expeditionary Force 10th August, 1917.
Embarkation 11th August, 1917.


SNWM - WW1
Surname DOWELL
Forename John
Rank Pte
Service number S/20899
Decoration
Place of birth Stirling
Date of death 26 November 1917
Theatre of death F&F
Cause of death Killed in action
SNWM roll THE ARGYLL AND SUTHERLAND HIGHLANDERS
Unit name Unknown Unit attached to THE ARGYLL AND SUTHERLAND HIGHLANDERS
Other detail 14th Bn.

SDGW - Born and enlisted Stirling.

CWGC - DOWELL, John
Rank: Private.
Service No: S/20899.
Date of Death: 26/11/1917
Regiment/Service: Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders 14th Bn.
Panel Reference: Panel 10.
Memorial: CAMBRAI MEMORIAL, LOUVERVAL
Additional Information:
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BRODIE, WALTER HAMILTON
CWGC
Rank: Second Lieutenant
Date of Death: 09/04/1917
Age: 25
Regiment/Service: Royal Scots 15th Bn.
Grave Reference: I. A. 2.
Cemetery: BAILLEUL ROAD EAST CEMETERY, ST. LAURENT-BLANGY
Additional Information: Son of Peter and Alice Brodie, of 1, Clifford Rd., Stirling
SNWM
Surname BRODIE
Forename Walter Hamilton
Rank T/2nd Lieut
Service number
Decoration
Place of birth
Date of death 9 April 1917
Theatre of death Unknown
Cause of death Killed in action
SNWM roll THE ROYAL SCOTS (LOTHIAN REGIMENT)
Other detail 15th Bn.
Medal card: theatre 1 France 14.11.15; commissioned 18 Royal Scots 6.7.16; k in a 9.4.17; father P Brodie Esq, 1 Clifford Road, Stirling
SDGW
Name: Walter Hamilton Brodie
Death Date: 9 Apr 1917
Rank: 2 Lieutenant (T)
Regiment: The Royal Scots (Lothian Regiment)
Battalion: 15th Battalion
Type of Casualty: Killed in action
Stirling Observer 17 April 1917
2nd Lieutenant Walter Brodie, Royal Scots, killed in action at Arras on 9th; 3rd son of Mr Peter Brodie, baker, Port Street and Mrs Brodie, Clifford Road; employed as chemist with ex-Baillie Raffan; shortly after war broke out he enlisted in London Schools Battalion; in France for nearly a year – rising to sergeant; commission in Royal Scots – at front for 9 months
24 April 1917
Pte Colin Brodie, brother of Walter, wounded; A&SH; 18 years old; joined army in November 1915; studying civil engineering in Glasgow

Walter's death was reported in the Stirling Observer on the day his brother Sidney was killed (See above)

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:57 pm    Post subject: 2 brothers killed on the same day Reply with quote

Stirling Observer: 10 April 1917
2 brothers fall in action - Privates James and David Lyle
Mrs Lyle 63 Baker Street has received official information that her youngest son, Pte David Ewart Lyle, HLI who was posted missing on 1st July 1916 is now reported killed on that date; another brother Pte James Lyle who was in the same company and battalion of the HLI met his death in action on the same day. Both were employed as coopers and were sons of the late Mr Matthew Lyle, carpet weaver, Stirling

CWGC
LYLE, DAVID
Rank: Private
Service No: 15155
Date of Death: 01/07/1916
Age: 27
Regiment/Service: Highland Light Infantry 16th Bn.
Grave Reference: V. M. 7.
Cemetery: LONSDALE CEMETERY, AUTHUILLE
Additional Information: Son of the late Matthew and Catherine Lyle
SNWM
Surname LYLE
Forename David
Rank Pte
Service number 15155
Decoration
Place of birth Stirling
Date of death 1 July 1916
Theatre of death F&F
Cause of death Killed in action
SNWM roll THE HIGHLAND LIGHT INFANTRY
Other detail 16th Bn.

CWGC
LYLE, J
Rank: Private
Service No: 14742
Date of Death: 01/07/1916
Regiment/Service: Highland Light Infantry 16th Bn.
Grave Reference: VI. J. 4.
Cemetery: LONSDALE CEMETERY, AUTHUILLE
Additional Information:
SNWM
Surname LYLE
Forename James
Rank Pte
Service number 14742
Decoration
Place of birth Johnstone Renfrewshire
Date of death 1 July 1916
Theatre of death F&F
Cause of death Killed in action
SNWM roll THE HIGHLAND LIGHT INFANTRY
Other detail 16th Bn.

Death – service returns 16th Battalion HLI
15155 Pte David Lyle 28 Scotland 1.7.1916 F&F K in A
14742 Pte James Lyle 34 Scotland 1.7.1916 F&F K in A

James was married to Mary Bain and had four children - Matt (7 in 1911), Janet (4 in 1911), Maggie (2 in 1911) and ?
Both David and James were buried (with marker crosses) outside the cemetery; both were exhumed and re-interred in Lonsdale Cemetery in April 1919.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 8:53 pm    Post subject: WW1 - Pte. John Baird, M.M., Camerons. Reply with quote

The Glasgow Herald, Wednesday, 2nd January, 1918.
"Deaths on Service.
BAIRD.-
Killed in action, Private John Baird, aged 19 years, Cameron Highlanders, second son of John Baird, 3 Millar Place, Stirling."

The Stirling Observer, Saturday, 5th January, 1918.
"DEATHS.
BAIRD.-
Killed in action in France on 14th December, Private John Baird, Cameron Highlanders, aged 19 years, second son of John Baird, 3 Millar Place, Stirling."

Same publication as above, Tuesday, 1st January, 1918:- "STIRLING TRAVELLER'S SON KILLED. A Double Bereavement. Mr John Baird, commercial traveller, and Mrs Baird, 3 Millar Place, Stirling, received intimation on Sunday morning that their second son, Private John Baird, Cameron Highlanders, was killed in action on the 14th December. Deceased was employed as a seedsman with a Glasgow firm. Mr and Mrs Baird had three sons in the army and this is the second loss they have suffered, the elder son having made the supreme sacrifice about a year ago."


SNWM - WW1
Surname BAIRD
Forename John
Rank Pte
Service number S/24524
Decoration MM
Place of birth Stirling
Date of death 18 October 1916
Theatre of death F&F
Cause of death Killed in action
SNWM roll THE QUEEN'S OWN CAMERON HIGHLANDERS
Unit name Unknown Unit attached to THE QUEEN'S OWN CAMERON HIGHLANDERS
Other detail 5th Bn.

SDGW - Born, lived, enlisted Stirling.

Medal index ticket:- http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D6128806

CWGC - BAIRD, J.
Rank: Private.
Service No: S/24524.
Date of Death: 14/12/1917. Age: 19.
Regiment/Service: Cameron Highlanders 5th Bn.
Awards: M M
Grave Reference: XI. A. 14.
Cemetery: GOUZEAUCOURT NEW BRITISH CEMETERY
Additional Information: Son of John Baird, of 3, Millar Place, Stirling.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John's brother was also killed
Stirling Observer 4 July 1916
Pte Archie Baird RAMC died in France; eldest son of Mr John Baird, traveller, 3 Millar Place; he was filling tins from a water cart when he was struck by an enemy shell; 21 years old; enlisted in RAMC 12 months ago; first stationed in Stobhill Hospital Glasgow; sent to Dardanelles then France 3 months ago; clerk in the employment of Mr Miller, Boards Poultry Farm, Denny.
Death notice:
Baird – died of wounds on 22nd June, Pte Archie Baird, RAMC, age 21; eldest son of John Baird 3 Millar Place, Stirling
CWGC
BAIRD, A
Rank: Private
Service No: 142A
Date of Death: 22/06/1916
Regiment/Service: Royal Army Medical Corps 87th Field Ambulance
Grave Reference: C. 31.
Cemetery: MAILLY-MAILLET COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION
Additional Information: Son of Mr. J. Baird, of 3, Millar Place, Stirling
SNWM
Surname BAIRD
Forename Archibald
Rank Pte
Service number 142A
Decoration
Place of birth Hutchinsontown Lanarkshire
Date of death 22 June 1916
Theatre of death F&F
Cause of death Died of wounds
SNWM roll ROYAL ARMY MEDICAL CORPS
Other detail (T.F.).
SDGW
Name: Archibald Baird
Birth Place: Hutchinsontown, Lanarkshire
Residence: Denny, Lanarkshire
Death Date: 22 Jun 1916
Death Location: France & Flanders
Enlistment Location: Glasgow
Rank: Private
Regiment: Royal Army Medical Corps
Battalion: (Territorial Force.)
Number: 142A
Type of Casualty: Died of wounds
Theatre of War: Western European Theatre
Medal card: theatre 2B 12.9.15; d of w 22.6.16
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 10:15 am    Post subject: WW1 - Driver James Baird, A.S.C. Reply with quote

SNWM - WW1
Surname BAIRD
Forename James
Rank Drvr
Service number T/308234
Decoration
Place of birth Stirling
Date of death 19 August 1917
Theatre of death Home
Cause of death Died
SNWM roll ROYAL ARMY SERVICE CORPS
Unit name Unknown Unit attached to ROYAL ARMY SERVICE CORPS

SDGW - Born, lived Stirling; enlisted Bradford.

CWGC - BAIRD, J.
Rank: Driver.
Service No: T/308234.
Date of Death: 19/08/1917. Age: 23.
Regiment/Service:Army Service Corps
Grave Reference: C. 12. 304.
Cemetery:TUNBRIDGE WELLS CEMETERY
Additional Information: Son of Mr. and Mrs. Thomas Baird, of 2, Sunnyside, St. Ninians, Stirling.

Backpay of £2 2s 8d paid to his father, Thomas, December, 1918. War Gratuity not admissable.
489 HT Coy., A.S.C. Place of death:- St. Mark's O.A.D., Tunbridge Wells.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 10:23 pm    Post subject: Sidney Fraser Smith Reply with quote

Stirling Observer 11th September 1917
2nd lieutenant Sidney Fraser Smith, Royal Field Artillery, died of wounds in France on 3 September aged 22. He was the only son of Rev David Smith, St Ninians South UF Church and of Mrs Margaret Fraser Smith, Laurelhill Place. He was educated at High School of Stirling then went to University to study for the Indian civil service. in his 2 years at university he was a medallist in history, geography and political economy. He was commissioned in Royal Field Artillery in August 1916 and went to France in January 1917. He was severely wounded on 17 July and never recovered.

Sidney's name is indexed under "Fraser Smith", rather than just "Smith."
CWGC
FRASER SMITH, SIDNEY FRASER
Rank: Second Lieutenant
Date of Death: 03/09/1917
Age: 22
Regiment/Service: Royal Field Artillery "D" Bty. 256th Bde
Grave Reference: XVII. E. 28.
Cemetery: ETAPLES MILITARY CEMETERY
Additional Information: Son of the Rev. David and Mrs Fraser Smith, of Stirling
Grave registration documents show Fraser in the surname scored out and indicates the item has been moved to page 498

I can't find him on SNWM.
Medal card: France 17.6.17; died of wounds 3.9.17
NOK (mother) Mrs D Smith, c/o Union Bank of Scotland, Stirling
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 3:40 pm    Post subject: John Leyden Reply with quote

Stirling Roll of Honour has:
Leyden, John
Lyden, John, Pte, Royal Scots, 75 Baker Street
I’m guessing these are the same person
CWGC
LEYDEN, JOHN
Rank: Private
Service No: 10047
Date of Death: 16/07/1916
Age: 39
Regiment/Service: Royal Scots 2nd Bn.
Panel Reference: Pier and Face 6 D and 7 D.
Memorial; THIEPVAL MEMORIAL
Additional Information:
Son of Mary Healy (formerly Leyden), of 75, Baker St., Stirling, and the late James Healy (stepfather)
SNWM
Surname LEYDEN
Forename John
Rank Pte
Service number 10047
Decoration
Place of birth Dunblane Perthshire
Date of death 16 July 1916
Theatre of death F&F
Cause of death Killed in action
SNWM roll THE ROYAL SCOTS (LOTHIAN REGIMENT)
Other detail 2nd Bn.
Medal card – theatre 1 France 19.12.14; k in a
SDGW
Name: John Leyden
Birth Place: Dunblane, Perthshire
Residence: Stirling
Death Date: 16 Jul 1916
Death Place: France and Flanders
Enlistment Place: Falkirk
Rank: Private
Regiment: The Royal Scots (Lothian Regiment)
Battalion: 2nd Battalion
Regimental Number: 10047
Type of Casualty: Killed in action
Theatre of War: Western European Theatre

From CWGC, I assumed Mary had been married to Mr Leyden, had son John and then married James Healy. However statutory records show Mary Leyden, spinster, age 22, of 3 St Mary’s Wynd, Stirling marrying James Healy, age 24, of 35 St Mary’s Wynd in 1885; (Mary signed with X); perhaps son John was the result of a youthful indiscretion? He would have been born around 1877 (39 in 1916) when Mary was only 14, possible, but……..!

The plot thickens.
There is a birth of John HEALY in 1888, father James and mother Mary MS Leyden, at 5 St John Street, Stirling.
1891 census has
118 Baker Street; John Healy aged 2; father James, mother Mary born Dunblane
(+ brothers Martin, aged 5 and James aged 3 months)
1901 census has no John Healy but the others are the same + daughters Christina and Sarah
James Healy died in 1902
1911 Census has widowed Mary living alone at 1 St John Street, Stirling (5 children alive from 5 births)

Also in the 1911 census:
Name: John Leyden
Age in 1911: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Birth Place: Dunblane
County/Island: Military
Country: England
Military Unit: 1st Bn The Royal Scots
Registration District Number: 641
ED, institution, or vessel: India

James Healy (son of James Healy and Mary Leyden) was also killed
HEALY, JAMES
Rank: Private
Service No: 3/1175
Date of Death: 09/05/1915
Age: 24
Regiment/Service: Black Watch (Royal Highlanders) 1st Bn.
Panel Reference: Panels 24 to 26.
Memorial: LE TOURET MEMORIAL
Additional Information: Son of Mrs. Mary Healy, of 75, Baker St., Stirling

Stirling Observer 18 April 1916
Stirling Royal Highlander killed – Private James Healy BW
Missing since 8th September 1915; now officially killed on that date; mother – 75 Baker Street; 3rd Bn BW (special reserves); called up when war broke out; wounded in October 1914; age 23; unmarried; worked at Millhall; 2 brothers in the services – Martin Healy, BW, wounded and in hospital; Private John Healy, Royal Scots, a regular soldier; serving in India when war broke out; wounded in France but back with regiment.

Thanks to Ancestry’s Easter weekend “freebie”, I found:

Effects: John Leyden alias Healy; mother Mary Healy;

Service records also exist for John Leyden:
Attestation: 10047 Royal Scots; born Dunblane; age 19; labourer; enlisted 10 June 1907, Falkirk; 5’7½; Roman Catholic; posted private 1.5.15;
Postings: India – 20.1.09; home – 13.8.11; India – 27 Jan 12; home – 16.10.14; BEF - 19.12.14; home – 28.1.15; BEF – 19.5.15;
NOK: mother – Mary, Cathedral Square, Dunblane;
Attached no 2 entrenching battalion 27.7.15; killed in action 16.7.16;
Letter dated Thursday 25 May 1920 from Mr John Leyden, Kirk Street, Dunblane, enquiring about war gratuity, credits, etc re 10047, Private J Leyden, 2nd Battalion Royal Scots; memorial scroll sent to John Leyden;
Most of his service record consists of disciplinary matters and, unfortunately, the form giving all living relatives doesn’t seem to have survived.

It looks as if:
John Healy enlisted under his mother’s maiden name of Leyden
Some of the info on CWGC is incorrect – age 39 and step-father James Healy

But:
Why is he listed on the Stirling war memorial as John Leyden/Lyden?
Who is the John Leyden, Kirk Street, Dunblane who asked about the war gratuity and received the memorial scroll? (It’s not Mary’s father John Leyden who died in Stirling in 1903;) 1911 census has John Leyden, Kirk Street Dunblane single aged 52 – cousin of Mary perhaps?
Why is Mary’s address given as Cathedral Square, Dunblane as her son John’s NOK when all the evidence suggests she lived in Stirling? (I THINK she lived in Grangemouth in 1881. Ran out of SP credits!)

More questions than answers methinks!
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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2015 7:45 pm    Post subject: John Campbell Bett Reply with quote

The Stirling Roll of Honour of the men of Stirling who fell in the Great War has:
Bett, John Campbell, Pte, U.S.A. Force
https://archive.org/stream/royalburghofstir1922stir#page/6/mode/2up

Stirling Observer 14 May 1918
Private J C Bett, from Stirling but living in US for some years, has died in France; on American casualty list; 28 years of age; son of Mr James Bett, carter, 57 Wallace Street, Stirling; well-known member of Stirling Boating Club; a report in Elko Independent Nevada, states he came to Elko 5 years ago to be with his brother James on his stock ranch at Bullion; a member of the Presbyterian Church at Elko and a member of the Knights of Pythias Lodge; while in Camp Mills near Washington in November, he took a severe cold and never recovered; he went overseas but died of pneumonia in France on 12 February

JOHN CAMPBELL BETT
Headquarters Company
101st Infantry 41st Division
John Campbell Bett, son of James and Christina McLaren Bett, of Stirling Scotland, was born at Bridge of Allen, Scotland, October 28, 1889. He was educated in Stirling, and there completed six years of training as an expert carpenter and cabinetmaker. He was always strong and athletic, was a football player of note and a member of one of the prize-winning crews of the Stirling Boating Club. He held many trophies which he had won in the boating and football contests.
About the year 1912 John Bett came to Nevada to be with his brother, James, on the latter's stock ranch at Bullion in Elko County. He was a quiet, unassuming man with deep Christian convictions, and was known everywhere for his cheerful and happy disposition. He belonged to the Presbyterian Church in Elko and to the Elko Lodge, Knights of Pythias, in which organization he was a valued member. He was one of those whose names were place on the Honor Roll of the order.
On October 6th, 1917, Private Bett reported in the 67th Company, 17th Battalion, 166th Depot Brigade, at Camp Lewis, Washington. A month later he was transferred to Headquarters Company, 161st Infantry, 41st Division, in which he served thereafter until his death. This division went overseas in December of the same year and became a depot division from which troops were supplied to units in the line.
Private Bett had not been long in France before pneumonia attacked him. He was taken to Camp Hospital No. 22 at Langres, but his illness could not be overcome. He died there on the 12th of February, 1918, and was buried in Cemetery No. 13, Grave No. 5, Langres, France.
Besides his parents, the following brothers and sisters survive him: James Bett, Bullion, Nevada; Mrs. Belle McFarlane, Elko, Nevada; and Mary, Christian, Archie, Jessie, Kate, and Nellie Bett, all of Stirling, Scotland.
http://genealogytrails.com/nev/state/wwI/WWIgoldstarsB.html

He is commemorated on a family stone in Ballengeich cemetery:
http://scottishwargraves.phpbbweb.com/scottishwargraves-post-12332.html

EDIT: something I didn't know - the US Government exhumed the bodies of all her dead soldiers and took them home. The Stirling Observer of 26 July 1921 has this report: "The body of Private John C Bett of the 161st Infantry of the American Army was re-interred in Stirling this (Tuesday) afternoon........... The coffin was finely polished American elm and covered with the Stars and Stripes flag which was afterwards given to relatives."


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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2015 3:02 pm    Post subject: Father and two sons killed Reply with quote

FLEMING, JOHN
Rank: Donkeyman
Date of Death: 19/06/1917
Age: 55
Regiment/Service: Mercantile Marine S.S. "Batoum" (Swansea)
Panel Reference:
Memorial: TOWER HILL MEMORIAL
Additional Information: Son of the late Thomas and Julia Fleming; husband of Margaret Fleming (nee Maher), of 3, Bank St., Stirling; born at Stirling
Surname FLEMING
Forename John
Rank Donkeyman
Service number
Decoration
Place of birth Stirling
Date of death 19 June 1917
Theatre of death 'BATOUM' 102786
Cause of death Unknown
SNWM roll THE MERCANTILE MARINE
Other detail

Sunk by U61 (Victor Dieckmann); 6 miles south of Fastnet Rock; route – New Orleans to Queenstown; 1 casualty (ref: uboat.net)

FLEMING, MARTIN
Rank: Private
Service No: 275826
Date of Death: 10/08/1918
Age: 20
Regiment/Service: Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders 10th Bn.
Grave Reference: III. E. 9.
Cemetery: ROSIERES COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION
Additional Information: Son of J. and Margaret Fleming, of 3, Bank St., Stirling
Headstone inscription: RIP Son of J & M Fleming Stirling. (Mrs Fleming, 3 Bank Street, Stirling, Scotland)
Exhumed and re-interred September 1919
Surname FLEMING
Forename Martin
Rank Pte
Service number 275826
Decoration
Place of birth
Date of death 10 August 1918
Theatre of death F&F
Cause of death Killed in action
SNWM roll THE ARGYLL AND SUTHERLAND HIGHLANDERS
Other detail 10th Bn.
Effects: mother and sole legatee – Margaret
Service record: attestation – enlisted 11.9.1914; embarked Folkestone 9.5.15, hospital admission 21.10.16 – 28.10.16 trench fever, NOK: father – deceased, mother – Margaret, brothers – John 31, Robert 26, and William 24

FLEMING, THOMAS
Rank: Private
Service No: 912
Date of Death: 27/10/1914
Age: 30
Regiment/Service: Black Watch (Royal Highlanders) 1st Bn
Panel Reference: Panel 37.
Memorial: YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL
Additional Information: Son of John and Margaret Fleming, of 3, Bank St., Stirling
Surname FLEMING
Forename Thomas
Rank Pte
Service number 912
Decoration
Place of birth Doune Perthshire
Date of death 27 October 1914
Theatre of death F&F
Cause of death Killed in action
SNWM roll THE BLACK WATCH (ROYAL HIGHLANDERS)
Other detail 1st Bn.
Medal card – theatre 12.9.14; k in a 27.10.14; clasp awarded 13.4.21;
Effects: brothers – Robert, Martin, William, John; father – John; mother – Margaret

Stirling Observer 10 December 1914
Mr and Mrs John Fleming, 41 Baker Street, heard that their son Thomas had been killed in action on 27 October; aged 30, he worked as a bricklayer and was a member of the Royal Highlanders Special Reserve.

Stirling Observer 26 June 1917
John Fleming, senior, is the first seaman with Mercantile Marine from Stirling to be killed. He resided in Bank Street and was employed as a stoker for nearly 40 years with various shipping lines. He was on a voyage home when the steamer was torpedoed by a German submarine. Mr Fleming was below decks and was never seen again. The ship sank but the remainder of the crew was saved. He leaves a widow and a grown up family of sons – 4 joined the army at the outbreak of war: Thomas was killed in France, William and Robert are both in A&SH and are in hospital after being wounded in April in the recent fighting, Martin is in France. A 5th son, John junior, is also a stoker; he was previously a bricklayer and a left back with kings Park FC

Stirling Observer 20 August 1918
Private Martin Fleming, Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders, youngest son of Mrs Fleming, 3 Bank Street, was killed on 10 August. He was taking part in an attack on a German position and ran to help a wounded sergeant major when he was killed instantaneously. He enlisted in the Territorial battalion immediately after war broke out when only 17½; and had been at the Front over 3 years. He had suffered from trench fever and was home for a short time. He had worked as a miner at Millhall. His older brother Private Thomas Fleming was killed early in the war and their father Mr John Fleming, seaman, was drowned at sea through the sinking of his ship in June 1917; 2 other brothers are in the army and a third is in the mercantile marine.

Further family info:
Stirling Observer 7 November 1916
Sergeant Robert Fleming, Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders, has been awarded the military medal. He is the 3rd son of John Fleming, Baker Street and was employed on the Caledonian Railway

1901 census: 24 St Mary’s Wynd
Margaret Fleming 41, wife/head, greengrocer
Thomas Fleming 16
John Fleming 14
Margaret Fleming 11
Robert Fleming 8
William Fleming 6
Martin Fleming 3
Julia Fleming 6 months

Statutory Records:
Both Margaret junior and Julia died in 1908 – Margaret in January of phthisis pulmonalis and Julia in March of tuberculous meningitis.
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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2015 3:38 pm    Post subject: David Sugden McLay Reply with quote

McLay, David Sugden, H.M.S. "Glatton."
McCLAY, DAVID SUGDEN
Rank: Able Seaman
Service No: 191523
Date of Death: 21/09/1918
Age: 38
Regiment/Service: Royal Navy H.M.S. "Glatton."
Grave Reference: O. "C." 316.
Cemetery: BRADFORD (UNDERCLIFFE) CEMETERY
Additional Information: Husband of Edith McClay, of 34, Heap Lane, Otley Rd., Bradford
Surname McCLAY
Forename David
Rank Able Seaman
Service number 191523
Decoration
Place of birth
Date of death 21 September 1918
Theatre of death RN HMS 'GLATTON'
Cause of death Unknown
SNWM roll THE ROYAL NAVY
Stirling Observer 1 October 1918 Death Notice
McLay: at Military Hospital, Western Heights, Dover, on 21 September, from wounds received on HMS Glatton on the 16th, David Sugden McLay, husband of Edith McLay; aged 38; son of late Archibald McLay, Stirling; inserted by his sister 17 Seaforth Place, Stirling
29 October 1918
Able Seaman David McLay was buried with Naval honours at Bradford where his wife lives. He was the victim of an explosion on board a monitor in a British port. His father was the late Archie McLay, Springfield Place, a Caledonian Railway engine driver. Seaman McLay joined the navy at 17 and had 21 years’ service. He has 4 brothers serving in France and a 5th has been missing since April. His sister is married to James Bett, railway guard, of Seaforth Place and they had 4 sons serving.

Apparently, an explosion occurred on board the ship in Dover Harbour and 79 men were killed, including 21 who died of injuries in the weeks after the incident. As there was danger of the fire spreading to other ships in the harbour, the order was given to torpedo the vessel. The ship was recovered in the 1920s and the dead were then buried with naval honours in a single grave in 1930.
http://www.greatwarci.net/honour/jersey/database/hms-glatton.pdf

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