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milmor_1
Joined: 03 Jun 2009 Posts: 118 Location: Ireland
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Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 4:30 pm Post subject: Private Trainer Hamilton? |
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This is a strange one to post (or indeed to sort out). It would appear that this soldiers name caused problems when he was being recorded for commemoration.
His CWGC entry is as follows;
http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=683532
Name: TRAINER, HAMILTON
Initials: H
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers
Unit Text: 5th Bn.
Age: 34
Date of Death: 15/08/1915
Service No: 11996
Additional information: Husband of Mary Ann Crichton (formerly Trainer).
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 97 to 101.
Memorial: HELLES MEMORIAL
His names are shown in the Irish War Memorial Records, Soldiers Died (Part 32) and in the Scottish Roll of Honour as,
Surname: Hamilton - Forename: Trainer.
His place of birth is shown on these three records as Camlachie, Lanarkshire.
has anyone got any information on this soldier which may confirm his correct name sequence, or who may be right the CWGC or the other records. |
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kinnethmont
Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 1649 Location: Aberdeenshire
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Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 5:51 pm Post subject: 11996 Pte. Hamilton Trainer |
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The details on CWGC will reflect those basic details supplied initially by the Army. In this case the family have also checked these details and have, in fact, added the NOK details to them as Trainer.
His medal card confirms his name as Hamilton Trainer. It is actually corrected as it was initially Trainor. His NOK is given as Mr A F Trainer c/o Crighton, 40 Market St. E, Glasgow.
It looks as if there might have been some confusion at the time and this will account for SNWM being wrong since they used the details from SDGW.
Am checking further. _________________ Jim
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.
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milmor_1
Joined: 03 Jun 2009 Posts: 118 Location: Ireland
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Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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Many thanks for the prompt response and the extra information.
so to confirm if I may this soldiers correct name sequence is;
Forename: Hamilton, Surname: Trainer.
and that the CWGC has the correct, whilst the other three are incorrect.
Sorry for the extra clarification request.
best regards
Mal |
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kinnethmont
Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 1649 Location: Aberdeenshire
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Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 6:22 pm Post subject: 11996 Pte. Hamilton Trainer |
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Quote: | Am checking further. |
Mal
Are you a relative of this soldier? _________________ Jim
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.
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milmor_1
Joined: 03 Jun 2009 Posts: 118 Location: Ireland
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Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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No I am not related
I am currently research all Irish Soldiers and Sailors and soldiers who served in Irish Regiments who died as a result of their service during the Gallipoli campaign.
I am identify those soldiers who were not listed on the Irish War Memorial records with view to having them added to the memorial books.
So it is you could say a labour of love.
Mal |
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milmor_1
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Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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sorry about missing your checking further note but it did not appear on the screen when I fist accessed your message |
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kinnethmont
Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 1649 Location: Aberdeenshire
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Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 10:55 pm Post subject: 11996 Pte. Hamilton Trainer |
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Mal
It seems that both might be correct.
As said, the MIC gives the surname Trainer with his NOK ( father I suspect ) also given as Trainer. These details, his " army name ", will have been given to CWGC by the Army. During the CWGC verification process they were clearly in touch with the NOK during the 1920's regarding the details. During this further details were given including his wife being named as (formerly Trainer).
The overseas death civil records for 11996 R.I.F. shows this man as Trainer Hamilton. From these Soldiers Died in the Great War was produced and SNWM relied heavily on this source which would explain the common detail here. The same might be true for the Irish War Memorial Records.
I am quite sure that Hamilton Trainer is more likely to be your man.
Checking births in Scotland 1875-1885 gives none named Trainer Hamilton but one named Hamilton Trainer born Dennistoun, Glasgow in 1881. Correct DOB for the age given by NOK on CWGC.
In 1891 this child is shown as born Glasgow, parents James and Isabella Trainer, residing Annfield St., Dennistoun, Glasgow, Lanarkshire.
Still in Dennistoun in 1901. Camlachie is near Dennistoun.
There is one marriage of a Hamilton Trainer between 1901 and 1915. This was in Glasgow in 1905. You've guessed it, wife was Mary Ann Crighton. _________________ Jim
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.
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milmor_1
Joined: 03 Jun 2009 Posts: 118 Location: Ireland
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 8:58 am Post subject: |
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Many thanks for this excellent information Jim.
It has really aided my research.
I hope I can be of assistance to you some day, please do not hesitate to ask.
Mal |
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