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dhubthaigh
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Hugh McVean is listed on the War Memorial at Callander. In the 1901 census there is a Hugh M'Vean, born & residing in Callander, with parents John and Jane.
On my initial look at the primary sources I could find no trace.
PEOPLE'S JOURNAL: 14.08.1915
CALLANDER MAN KILLED AT THE DARDANELLES
Information has been received by Mr John M'Vean that his son, Sergeant Hugh M'Vean, Royal Scots Fusiliers, has been killed at the Dardanelles. The deceased was about 30 years of age and married. Prior to the outbreak of war he was employed at Nobel's Explosive Works, Stevenston.
I've had another look but still 'nothing'. |
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kinnethmont
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| Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 6:23 pm Post subject: HUGH MCVEAN |
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Mark
No sign of a man of that name having served at all. Could he have used another surname or alias?
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dhubthaigh
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Put some detail onto SDGW and came up with this;
Charles MCDONALD Sergt. 6959
Royal Scots Fusiers: 1/4th Battalion
Born: Callander
Enlisted: Saltcoats, Ayrshire
Residence: Stevenston, Ayrshire
Died: 12.07.1915
Killed in Action
Dardanelles
If this is the man, and I think it is, WHY serve under another name ? |
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David McNay
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Perhaps he joined up under an asumed name because of his employment at Nobel's? Would that not have been a reserved occupation from whic hhe would not have been released, so in order to avoid questions being asked he joined up under a false name?
I'm only surmising, and obviously there's no evidence for this theory... |
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dhubthaigh
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I did a wee bit of digging re. Nobel's - very interesting:
History
Nobel Industries Limited was founded in 1870 by Swedish chemist and industrialist Alfred Nobel for the production of the new explosive dynamite. Ardeer, on the coast at Ayrshire, was chosen for the company's first factory. The business later diversified into the production of blasting gelatine, gelignite, ballistite, guncotton, and cordite. At its peak, the factory was employing nearly 13,000 workers. |
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kinnethmont
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Ironically, Alfred Nobel, who died in 1896, left to mankind in his will, The Nobel Peace Prize which is still awarded annually.
Maybe he saw it as way to compenate for his inventing Dynamite and other explosives.
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Adam Brown
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The CWGC gives no clues. Usually if a man served under an alias it is mentioned in a CWGC entry.
McDONALD, CHARLES
Initials: C
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Serjeant
Regiment/Service: Royal Scots Fusiliers
Unit Text: 1st/4th Bn.
Date of Death: 12/07/1915
Service No: 6959
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 72 to 75.
Memorial: HELLES MEMORIAL
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| Adam Brown wrote: | The CWGC gives no clues. Usually if a man served under an alias it is mentioned in a CWGC entry.
McDONALD, CHARLES
Initials: C
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Serjeant
Regiment/Service: Royal Scots Fusiliers
Unit Text: 1st/4th Bn.
Date of Death: 12/07/1915
Service No: 6959
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 72 to 75.
Memorial: HELLES MEMORIAL
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I know that I can only 'assume' that this is the correct man but it is quite a coincidence. However here is another I found serving with an alias - again no mention of this on CWGC but the newspaper article reveals more;
Surname SMITH
Firstname John
Service Number 364
Date Death 12/09/1916
Decoration
Place of birth Dunblane Perth
Other
SNWM roll ROYAL GARRISON ARTILLERY
Rank Bdr
Theatre of death F.& F.
Name: SMITH
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Bombardier
Regiment/Service: Royal Garrison Artillery
Unit Text: 24th Siege Bty.
Date of Death: 12/09/1916
Service No: 364
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: II. E. 10.
Cemetery: PERONNE ROAD CEMETERY, MARICOURT
THE STRATHEARN HERALD: 07.10.1916
ANOTHER DUNBLANE SOLDIER KILLED
Intimation was received from the War Office on Saturday morning by Mrs Conaboy that her son, Bombardier John Smith R.G.A. (Michael Conaboy), had been killed in action on 12th September. Michael, who was a time-expired man, re-enlisted when war broke out, and had seen considerable service at the front. His brother, Corporal J. Conaboy, Black Watch, left for the front a fortnight ago, this being his third visit home from the firing line. |
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| Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 6:14 pm Post subject: Hugh McVean |
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| On the Callander war memorial there is a Hugh McVean and John McVean are they related? |
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dhubthaigh
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| Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 6:28 pm Post subject: Re: Hugh McVean |
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| john burnett wrote: | | On the Callander war memorial there is a Hugh McVean and John McVean are they related? |
I think they are. I couldn't find John in any of the primary sources but I'm sure there is a service/pension record for him on Ancestry but I haven't extracted the info. yet. |
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kinnethmont
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| Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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Mark
I do not believe John Smith is an alias. As Adam advised earlier alias details usually came to light and the CWGC record reflects this. The Army were oblidged to use the name the man gave them on attesting, which was then passed to to CWGC. This did not include details of NOK and any on the CWGC record was supplied by the family.
Smith's service record survives and details his NOK as Mrs ( Mary) Conaboy, mother, Church St., Dunblane.
I suspect you will find he was born before she married Mr Conaboy.
I am also sceptical of the McVean theories.
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Jim,
Appreciate your points, at the end of the day we can only deal with the facts as we have them. I would have thought if Michael Conaboy was born out of wedlock he would have been Michael Smith not John - I'll have a wee look at this later, interesting.
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Michael Conoboy bn. 20.08.1877 at Dunblane, son of Michael Conoboy & Mary Monaghan.
Michael & Mary married 21.02.1876 at Stirling
Family group 1901 at Dunblane (Ancestry)
Michal Conoboy 50
Mary Conoboy 43
Michal Conoboy 25
Thomas Conoboy 19
John Conoboy 16
Bridget Conoboy 13
So alias it is ? |
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Between 1850 and 1905 18 Charles McDonalds born in Perthshire & 1 Charles MacDonald. None of them remotely near Callander. No Charles Mc/Macdonald 1851, 1861, 1871, 1881, 1891, 1901 census at Callander. This was from Scotland's People. Doesn't prove anything about my theory but interesting nonetheless.
1862 MCDONALD CHARLES M ALYTH /PERTH
1865 MCDONALD CHARLES M PERTH /PERTH
1868 MCDONALD CHARLES M BLAIRGOWRIE /PERTH
1868 MCDONALD CHARLES M SCONE /PERTH
1870 MCDONALD CHARLES M LETHENDY /PERTH
1871 MCDONALD CHARLES M GLENSHEE /PERTH
1872 MCDONALD CHARLES M RATTRAY /PERTH
1877 MCDONALD CHARLES M FORTINGALL
1878 MCDONALD CHARLES M PERTH /PERTH
1879 MCDONALD CHARLES M PERTH /PERTH
1883 MCDONALD CHARLES M DRON /PERTH
1890 MCDONALD CHARLES M MOULIN /PERTH
1891 MCDONALD CHARLES M DUNBARNEY /PERTH
1894 MCDONALD CHARLES ALEXAND M STANLEY /PERTH
1876 MCDONALD CHARLES JOHN M LOGIEALMOND /PERTH
1883 MCDONALD CHARLES SIMPSON M CAPUTH /PERTH 337/00 0031
1902 MCDONALD CHARLES GORDON M KINFAUNS
1902 MCDONALD CHARLES HOOD M SCONE /PERTH
1893 MACDONALD CHARLES M CRIEFF /PERTH |
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dhubthaigh
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Just had a look at John McVeans pension record (pretty sure this is Hugh's brother).
He has a horrendous looking statement of service. Would this have prompted Hugh's name change to hide any connection with John. Who knows ? |
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