The Scottish Military Research Group - Commemorations Project

DerekR · Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 9:42 am Post subject: L/Cpl Tom Burnet

L/Cpl Tom Burnet is listed on the Hawick Roll of Honour but his regiment is not recorded.

His entry in the book "Hawick & The War" simply states:
"L/cpl Tom Burnet, grandson of the late Andrew Grieve, farmer, Cross Wynd, Hawick".

Anyone any idea where I can go from the basic info listed above?

CWGC have only 1 Tom Burnet but 18 Tom Burnetts listed.
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spoons · Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 12:30 pm Post subject:

I have only 2 ideas, firstly to find his death notice in the local paper.

Secondly to find the grandfather in the census records and try and build a family tree downwards from there.

There is certainly a Burnet family (one t) in the 1901 census for Hawick but no Tom or Thomas.

\Paul

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DerekR · Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:57 pm Post subject:

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How about finding when the grandfather Andrew Grieve died.
Then if you could find out where he is buried there may be some reference to grandson Tom Burnet on headstone.

spoons · Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 9:25 pm Post subject:

Andrew Grieve in the 1861 census

Name: Andrew Grieve
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Jessie
Gender: Male
Where born: Ashkirk, Roxburghshire
Registration Number: 789
Registration district: Hawick
Civil parish: Hawick
Town: Hawick
County: Roxburghshire
Address: 15 Cross Wynd
Occupation: Farmer Of 30 Acres
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 2
Line: 5
Roll: CSSCT1861_140
Household Members: Name Age
Andrew Grieve 39
Jessie Grieve 39
James Grieve 10
David Grieve 8
Walter Grieve 7
Jannette Grieve 2
Margaret Agnes Grieve 4 Mo
James Ross 23

Could not find him in 1871

DerekR · Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 11:20 am Post subject:

Spoons,
Thanks for the great lead - I will attempt to follow the family tree.
Much appreciated.
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DerekR · Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 2:26 pm Post subject:

I can't find any of the Grieves in Scotland after the 1861 census Exclamation

It's looking like they moved overseas or down south.
But why then would somebody remember post Great War that they lived in Hawick around the 1861 period? That's over 50 years.

Andrew Grieve married Jessie Taylor in Hawick @ November 1849.
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dhubthaigh · Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 5:09 pm Post subject:

This is another cracker - do I know them well. I've got them in 1871;

Name: Andrew Grieve
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Jessie
Gender: Male
Where born: Ashkirk, Roxburghshire
Registration Number: 799/1
Registration district: Melrose
Civil parish: Melrose
County: Roxburghshire
Address: Broom Hill
Occupation: Farmer Of 117 Acres Argble Employing Of 4 Men & 1 Boy
ED: 5
Household schedule number: 104
Line: 1
Roll: CSSCT1871_180
Household Members: Name Age
Andrew Grieve 49
Jessie Grieve 49
David Grieve 18
Walter Grieve 17
Jenet Grieve 12
Margaret Grieve 10
Isabella Grieve 8

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spoons · Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 7:19 pm Post subject:

Note the address for Andrew Grieve, Cross Wynd in both cases.

I rather like the idea of Tom being illigitimate by one of Andrew's daughters. That would account for why the grandfather was mentioned and not the father.

I think the generations are right. Andrew Grieve had a 4 month old daughter in 1861. If (a big if........) she had a child at the age of 23 (1884) then that child would be 31 in 1915 (the age and year of death of the Australian you found). None of this is evidence that they are the people, only that it is feasible. The age that the grandfather would have been at the end of the war is not really relevant as we know he is described as 'the late' at the time of Tom's death.

\Paul

DerekR · Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 7:48 pm Post subject:

Mark:
How on earth did you find that census result as I spent a good while searching today with NO matches in Scotland.
WELL DONE Cutty Sark.

Kinnethmont: No, the only mention I have of Tom is off the Hawick roll of honour

Spoons: I was thinking that one of Andrew's daughters is the mother of Tom Burnet.
There is a slight possibility that the family details on the CWGC database for one of the 18 Tom Burnett's may match names with one of Andrew's daughters. A wild shot but I will check.

Thanks for your help boys - it's really appreciated.
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kinnethmont · Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 1649 Location: Aberdeenshire

The Australian ( actually a New Zealander in the A.I.F.) was born at Christchurch. There is no record of an Alexander Burnet marrying a Christina Grieve in Scotland.
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dhubthaigh · Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 8:25 pm Post subject:

Belatedly... My thoughts were that Tom Burnet was the illegitimate son of one of Andrew Grieves daughters.

I haven't had too much time but it seems the Grieves 'disappear' after 1871. I had a quick check of the Canadian, American & English census' of 1880/1881 but no matches Confused

DerekR · Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:11 pm Post subject: