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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 8:43 pm    Post subject: Alma Works & Netherward Works , ARBROATH Reply with quote

The Alma Works & Netherward Works, ARBROATH were closed down /demolished and the Stone Memorial was delivered for safe custody to the Signal Tower Musuem , Arbroath which was nearby the Works. Delivery to the Angus Council - Signal Tower Musuem would be a short time before seen at the Premises during a date in APRIL 1993 .


The heavy stone section War Memorial was positioned outside the main Signal Tower but within the enclosed yard of the Museum .


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 8:49 pm    Post subject: Alma Works & Netherward Works , Arbroath Reply with quote

The War Memorial was coloured grey with black lettering . The memorial was headed with the words, " ALMA WORKS "

Then rank , full name of casualty , year of death , Battalion and Regiment / Corps served and the first casualty listed attached Battalion and Regiment.

The lower part of the memorial is headed " NETHERWARD WORKS " and has again Rank , full name of casualty , Regiment or Corps and year of death .


No other wording on the Memorial

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:13 pm    Post subject: Alma Works & Netherward Works , Arbroath Reply with quote

" ALMA WORKS ":

2nd Lieut Joseph Frain WEBSTER , 1914 , 3rd Black Watch att 2nd Gordon Highlanders .

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Corpl John HAGAN , 5th Black Watch , 1915.

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Able Seaman Lawrence WILLIAMSON , Royal Naval Division , 1916.

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Driver Fred PRINGLE , Royal Field Artillery, 1917.

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Pte John McDONALD , 7th Black Watch , 1917.

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Pte Allan PATTULLO , 3rd Black Watch , 1917.

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Lance Corporal James BOYLE , Highland Light Infantry , 1917.

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Pte James Chalmers STARK , 10th Royal Scots, 1918 .

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Gunner Edward B. WILLIAMSON, Royal Field Artillery , 1918.

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on lower section of this same stone war memorial was the following :

"NETHERWARD WORKS "

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Gr David WYLLIE , Royal Field Artillery , 1918.

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Seaman Robert SWANKIE , Royal Navy , 1919 .

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 8:44 am    Post subject: Alma works Arbroath Reply with quote

Listed on the UK National Inventory War Memorials register as number 5667.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:15 pm    Post subject: Alma Works & Netherward Works ARBROATH Reply with quote

The Alma Works and Netherward Works , Arbroath were owned until the recent years by the Webster family . Now demolished .

The firms were owned initially by Sir Francis Webster & Lady Webster of Ashbrook House , Arbroath and their son, 2nd Lieut Joseph Frain Webster , 3rd Bn Black Watch attd 2nd Bn Gordon Hdrs (mentioned in Despatches) had been employed at the Alma Works . 2nd Lieut J F Webster was killed 30th December 1914 aged 21 years . He has no known grave and is listed on Ypres Menin Gate Memorial ( Panel 57 - under Black Watch section ) .


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:05 pm    Post subject: Alma Reply with quote

Thanks to Pat Anderson for the photo.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:12 pm    Post subject: Alma Works ARBROATH Reply with quote

Thanks to John Burnett for his kindness in adding my pics to the website . This pic was taken from an old photograph taken April 1993 of the Memorial lying at the Signal Tower Museum at Arbroath having just been delivered for their Safe Keeping . The then Curator , Margaret King told me of its presence so I went outside and photographed it in situ : a heavy item of granite .
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any idea where it is now Pat?

Both myself and DelBoy have drawn a blank at the Signal Tower
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The CWGC details of 2nd Lt Webster

WEBSTER, JOSEPH FRAIN
Initials: J F
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Second Lieutenant
Regiment/Service: Black Watch (Royal Highlanders)
Unit Text: 3rd Bn.
Secondary Regiment: Gordon Highlanders
Secondary Unit Text: attd. 2nd Bn.
Age: 21
Date of Death: 30/10/1914
Awards: Mentioned in Despatches
Additional information: Son of the late Sir Francis Webster, St., and Lady Webster, of Ashbrook, Arbroath.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Addenda Panel 57.
Memorial: YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL

Another entry caught my eye. 10th Royal Scots in 1918. 2/10th Bn Royal Scots was part of the force sent to North Russia by the Allies in 1918-1919. This man died during that expedition and is listed on the Archangel Memorial.

STARK, JAMES CHALMERS
Initials: J C
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Royal Scots
Unit Text: 2nd/10th Bn.
Age: 18
Date of Death: 27/10/1918
Service No: 66358
Additional information: Son of Mrs. Mary McC. Stark, of 43, Cairnie St., Arbroath, Forfarshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Memorial: ARCHANGEL MEMORIAL
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 4:21 pm    Post subject: Alma Works Arbroath Reply with quote

2nd Lieut J F Webster, Black Watch att Gordon Highlanders is commemorated in Arbroath by the WEBSTER MEMORIAL HALL , High Street , Arbroath as his parents Sir & Lady Webster donated the money for the Memorial Hall in his name . They donated a Photograph of 2nd Lieut J F Webster which sits in the building to this day. The Webster Memorial Hall is now known as the Webster Memorial Theatre .

2nd Lieut J F Webster was the first former pupil of the Arbroath High School to fall in action in the Great War viz 1914 . His name is listed on the 1915 Arbroath High School magazine casualties from the school from the Outbreak of War to June 1915 .( Arbroath High School Magazine : Vol IV No 4 June 195 : price 3 d ) He is listed as Killed in Action :
Second Lieutenant J F Webster, 2nd Bn Gordon Highlanders .


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 12:46 pm    Post subject: Alma works and Netherward works Arbroath Reply with quote

I received a phone call from James Webster regarding the Alma Works & Netherward Works war memorial and he found it is now located in the new housing development of the former Alma Works now known as Weavers Close , Arbroath.

The War memorial to the Alma Works and Netherward Works is located in the entrance area of the housing development .

There is a plaque on the outside wall of the housing development recording Rt Hon Michael Forsyth MP , secretary of State for Scotland offially opened the new housing development at Weavers Close , Arbroath on 24 June 1996 . - Developed by Hillcrest Housing Assoc
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 4:22 pm    Post subject: Alma Works Arbroath Reply with quote

I had a press release to the Courier & Advertiser for the Angus & Mearns editions and they published the story of the missing Alma Works and Netherward works war memorial Arbroath in their daily newspaper for 28th November 2009 under the heading of Memorial's New Home a Mystery :

http://www.thecourier.co.uk/output/2009/11/28/newsstory14177483t0.asp


The Arbroath Herald (weekly newspaper ) had a story in its newspaper for Friday 4 December 2009 under the heading of Mystery Surrounds Memorial's Whereabouts


http://www.arbroathherald.co.uk/news/MYSTERY-SURROUNDS-MEMORIAL39S-WHEREABOUTS.5878407.jp



Good to hear that this "missing " war memorial is in its old Alma Works which is nowadays flats . Strange that none of the residents did not contact the two newspapers but they may not have noticed that this was a war memorial in their foyer !


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was passing with my camera today and one of the householders was kind enough to let me in and take a snap.

Nicely mounted and lit (which makes the polished granite hard to photograph) but good that it has been preserved and re-erected close to its original site.

Apparently the plaque has been in situ for at least seven years...

Well done to Pat (Keptie) for his determination in tracking this one down.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:45 am    Post subject: Alma Works & Netherward works Arbroath Reply with quote

COURIER & ADVERTISER , SATURDAY , 2 nd January 2010 :

"LOST " MEMORIAL IS FOUND .

THE MYSTERY surrounding the whereabouts of a memorial plaque commemorating the sacrifice of ARBROATH factory workers in the First World War has been solved.

LETHAM resident PATRICK ANDERSON , who is involved with the on line Scottish War Memorials Project , put out an appeal for information recently when he discovered the plaque honouring employees of ARBROATH'S ALMA AND NETERWARD FLAX MILLS had disappeared .

Mr Anderson knew that in 1993 the plaque had been removed from its original location and temporarily taken for safe keeping to the Town's Signal Tower Museum .

However , Mr Anderson returned to the museum only to find that none of the current staff know what had happened to it.

Mr Anderson said ,"I received a phone call from James Webster regarding the plaque and he told me it is now located in the housing development occupying the site of the former ALMA WORKS , which is now appropriately known as Weavers Close.

The Alma /Netherward plaque has special significance for Arbroath as the first name listed on it - --- Second Lieutenant JOSEPH FRAIN WEBSTER ---- was the son of the Mill Owners.

The Scottish War Memorials Project - which aims to record all of Scotland's civic, church, regimental , unit , school and other war memorials and collate details of the individuals commorated - contains a wealth of information from the Angus and Dundee areas , and can be found at warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com


( P.S. an excellent write up by the Arbroath reporter of the Courier & Advertiser regarding the Alma Works & Netherward Works Memorial )


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 12:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Alma Works & Netherward works Arbroath Reply with quote

Keptie wrote:
( P.S. an excellent write up by the Arbroath reporter of the Courier & Advertiser regarding the Alma Works & Netherward Works Memorial )


And a nice plug for the forum too!

It's great to see this plaque in such good condition and in its original location. Well done to all those involved in its relocation whoever they are.

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