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Adam Brown · Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:16 pm Post subject: Drummer Hay's blood relatives

I came across this CWGC entry today

HAY, ANDREW SPENCER
Initials: A S
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Drummer
Regiment/Service: Cameron Highlanders
Unit Text: 1st Bn.
Age: 20
Date of Death: 04/11/1914
Service No: 8587
Additional information: Son of Col. Serjt. Hay (1st Bn. Cameron Highlanders) and Maria Hay, of Edinburgh. Eleven blood relations of the same family also fell.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: III. B. 31.
Cemetery: BOULOGNE EASTERN CEMETERY

Is there any way of finding out any of the eleven other blood relations who fell?

Adam

kinnethmont · Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 1649 Location: Aberdeenshire

Unless documented somewhere locally the best chance would be in geneological research of this family. That might still not be conclusive as they might have included a very wide family circle in that.
As far as I can tell this is the only CWGC entry with that detail added by NOK.
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Adam Brown

apanderson · Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:45 pm Post subject:

Here's the Hay family from the 1901 Census:

Name: Andrew Hay
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Andrew
Mother's Name: Maria
Where born: Edinburgh, Midlothian
Registration district: Canongate
Civil parish: Edinburgh Canongate
County: Midlothian
Address: Abert Lodge
Occupation: Scholar
Household Members:
Andrew Hay, age 62
Maria Hay, age 50
Sarah J Hay, age19
Helen H H Hay, age 17
Anna M Haym age 15
Francis P K Hay, age 9
Andrew Hay, age 7

And his father's info:

Name: Andrew Hay
Age: 62
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Maria
Where born: Gladsmuir, Argyleshire
County: Midlothian
Address: Queens Park Albert Lodge
Occupation: Pensioner Park Officer (Presumably Army Pensioner)

Elder brother, CWGC:

Name: HAY, FRANCIS PATRICK KELLY
Initials: F P K
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Cameron Highlanders
Unit Text: 2nd Bn.
Date of Death: 18/02/1915
Service No: 8199
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 38 and 40.
Memorial: YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIALSNWM:

And SNWM:

Surname HAY
Firstname Francis Patrick Kelly
Service Number 8199
Date Death 18/02/1915
Place of birth Edinburgh
Other 2nd Bn.
SNWM roll THE QUEEN'S OWN CAMERON HIGHLANDERS
Rank Pte
Theatre of death F.& F.

No sign of either brother on the Canongate Memorial although there is a George Hay, who could be:

Surname HAY
Firstname George
Service Number 1432
Date Death 25/09/1915
Decoration
Place of birth Edinburgh
Other 2nd Bn.
SNWM roll THE ROYAL SCOTS (LOTHIAN REGIMENT)
Rank Pte
Theatre of death F.& F.

or maybe

Name: HAY
Initials: G
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Highland Light Infantry
Unit Text: 53rd Training Reserve Bn.
Age: 49
Date of Death: 25/01/1919
Service No: TR2/4018
Additional information: Son of Robert and the late Mary P. Donaldson Hay, of Leith Edinburgh. Served in Egyptian (1888), Chitrai (1895), and the South African Campaigns.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: D. 7.
Cemetery: EDINBURGH (COMELY BANK) CEMETERY

Obviously there could have been younger brothers, but we'll have to wait a couple of years for that to come out, but for now, at least we know 2 out of 11

Anne