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Pte William Pope Can Inf who died 1 March 1918 *now on CWGC*

 
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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 5:55 pm    Post subject: Pte William Pope Can Inf who died 1 March 1918 *now on CWGC* Reply with quote

Private William Pope 10685 4th Canadian Infantry born Aberdeen 07/05/1884 enlisted Valcartier Age 33 Died of illness Canada 01-Mar-18 NoK: Charles Pope*. Toronto Evening Telegram 4-3-18: Sister's address : 24 Grove Ave; Son of the late Wm Pope. City Roll of Honour: 1 Rosebank Terr;* Occ : Granite Cutter. Served RE. Died of illness due to being gassed. 1901 Census 168/2 St Machar: 62/123: 1 Rosebank Terr; Father: William : Occ Lamp Lighter. Prospect Cemetery, Toronto, Ontario, Canada Canada Toronto Veterans Section People's Journal 6-4-18 Page 8 Column 5. Aberdeen Daily Journal 3-4-18 Page 4 Column 1. Evening Express 12-4-18 :Photo. Remembered on Aberdeen City Memorial.
He is remembered on Canadian site but CWGC will not take the info meantime.
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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 7:28 pm    Post subject: Pte William Pope Canadian Inf Reply with quote

Anne

Do you have a death certificate which confirms his death was due to his war service / effects of gassing? If so, CWGC would accept him without difficulty. It appears this man died in Toronto, having been discharged from the Army.

CWGC have to act according to the terms of their Royal Charter and will not accept a case for consideration which cannot be proved conclusively, usually by a death certificate. Circumstancial evidence ie. gravestone, newspaper reports, personal letters, etc are good for supporting a valid case, but are not sufficient evidence on their own.
It has to be realised it is not CWGC who make the decision, it is the relevant military authority.

The criteria used by VAC are not those used by CWGC. They will remember him as a Canadian / Canadian soldier, as they do for survivors who died long after the 1921 CWGC cut off date
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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 6:13 am    Post subject: Pte William Pope Canadian Inf who died 1 March 1918 Reply with quote

I've found out from Canada that he has a marker on his grave which says he died because of effects of gas when fighting at St Juilen.
He's no relative so not got his death certificate.
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PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2009 8:45 am    Post subject: Pte William Pope Canadian Inf Reply with quote

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.............. he has a marker on his grave which says he died because of effects of gas when fighting at St Juilen.


The marker does not quite say that, but the DC detail does. William died age 32 of TB - Pulmonary ( one year or more ) caused by gas. Do you have his service file or medical record showing why he was discharged home?
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PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2009 5:28 pm    Post subject: Grave marker Reply with quote

The grave marker has mention about St Julian.
I just cannot put my hands on the paperwork right now.
I did give info to the Canadian site but it crashed.
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PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2009 5:57 pm    Post subject: Pte William Pope Canadian Inf Reply with quote

Anne

The marker mentions he was wounded and gassed at St. Julian in 1915, three years before he died. As stated, the DC in the format I have it clears things up and should be acceptable to CWGC via my contacts. What is now required is Pope's service file to confirm against.
There is no point in me ordering it from Canada if you or Marika Pirie have already obtained and paid for it.
Let me know by PM.
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PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2009 6:05 pm    Post subject: No more info Reply with quote

I've no more to go on and I've not contacted about his papers if you want contact Marika.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:10 pm    Post subject: 10685 Pte William Pope, 4th C.E.F. Reply with quote

10685 Pte William Pope, 4th Battalion C.E.F., has been forwarded as a case to CWGC as a Non Comm death due to service related causes. His details are now in the system and will be decided by the Canadian Military Authorities. This may take a considerable period of time.

William was the son of the late William and Janet Pope of Aberdeen and was residing in Toronto. He is buried in the Veterans Section of Toronto's Prospect Cemetery.

Will update when further details become available.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 6:38 pm    Post subject: 10685 Pte William Pope, 4th C.E.F. Reply with quote

The name of Pte. William Pope was added to the CWGC Debt of Honour register today.

He is listed as " Son of William Pope, of Toronto, Ontario. ". I am querying this as his father resided in Aberdeen and none of the evidence I put forward linked him to Toronto.

Name: POPE, WILLIAM
Initials: W
Nationality: Canadian
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Canadian Infantry
Unit Text: 12th Bn.
Date of Death: 01/03/1918
Service No: 10685
Additional information: Son of William Pope, of Toronto, Ontario.
N.B.: Recent research has shown that Private Pope is buried here.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Section 7. Lot 85
Cemetery: TORONTO (PROSPECT) CEMETERY

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:04 pm    Post subject: Pleased to hear the news Reply with quote

Pleased to hear the news that William Pope is now in CWGC
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent news, well done to all involved with this case.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:07 pm    Post subject: 10685 Pte William Pope, 4th C.E.F. Reply with quote

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He is listed as " Son of William Pope, of Toronto, Ontario. ". I am querying this as his father resided in Aberdeen and none of the evidence I put forward linked him to Toronto.


After consideration of further evidence I supplied to the Canadian authority, the CWGC entry has now been revised.

Name: POPE, WILLIAM
Initials: W
Nationality: Canadian
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Canadian Infantry
Unit Text: 12th Bn.
Date of Death: 01/03/1918
Service No: 10685
Additional information: Son of William and Janet Pope, of Aberdeen, Scotland.
N.B.: Recent research has shown that Private Pope is buried here.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Section 7. Lot 85
Cemetery: TORONTO (PROSPECT) CEMETERY
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