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GEORGE A. C. MACKINLAY - A PUZZLE **Now commemorated**
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2015 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no doubt in my mind that George Mackinlay was killed during the Great War. Numerous sources point to this having happened. That he is not commemorated is one of the most disappointing and frustrating outcomes from research undertaken thus far.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2015 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The register of soldiers effects entry posted earlier is an official record that has only been available online since January. It clearly shows that Mackinlay was killed in action in Belgium on 15th Aug 1917. This was a financial document and so would have been audited for financial correctness. Note that £9 and 9/-, including a war gratuity, was paid to his father (also George).
Along with the accompanying evidence previously in this thread, I would have thought that would be ample evidence to resubmit this case for consideration.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2015 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry Mark. I should have said "To complete the story of the two other men"
It must be really frustrating to see that the man you originally identified is still in "non-comm limbo" while the others have been commemorated.
It's maybe some consolation that Grant and Hood would not have been identified without your initial research on Mackinlay.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2015 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spoons,

Thanks for reply. I had wondered if the soldiers effects registers could be looked upon as as, almost, 'confirmation' of death. This heartens me and may prove very helpful with other 'non comms' if that were the case. I had trawled the GWF but couldn't find any thoughts on these documents in helping non comms cases.

Ken,

Thanks. Might still get somewhere yet!

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2015 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Soldiers Effects Register is not a very helpful name. This is actually a record of how the balance on a soldier's pay account and any war gratuity was disposed of. This is public money and so the criteria would have been fairly rigorous to ensure accuracy. If you like, it is evidence that the 'evidence' once existed. Being ex Royal Army Pay Corps myself, I cannot envisage how this could be incorrect other than collusion by 2 or even 3 separate people to commit fraud - known but very unlikely.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2015 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spoons wrote:
Soldiers Effects Register is not a very helpful name. This is actually a record of how the balance on a soldier's pay account and any war gratuity was disposed of. This is public money and so the criteria would have been fairly rigorous to ensure accuracy. If you like, it is evidence that the 'evidence' once existed. Being ex Royal Army Pay Corps myself, I cannot envisage how this could be incorrect other than collusion by 2 or even 3 separate people to commit fraud - known but very unlikely.

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Very interesting. The amount of work that must have gone into compiling these registers must have been enormous.

The whole process of confirming the death/legatee/calculating payments etc. Hadn't really thought of that before.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In a recent e-mail from John Houston I was reminded of George Mackinlay. Another piece of evidence that this man was killed and not commemorated by the CWGC ? Entry from the National Probate Index for Scotland from 1918:

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

John,

As with Hood and Grant looks like George was firstly with the 5th Cameronians then transferred to 2nd:

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have located an online copy of George A. C. Mackinlay's posthumous book of poems published in 1919. Below is the Epitaph. (All surplus proceeds of the book were in aid of Hillhead High School War Memorial Fund).

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It doesn't add anything useful to this case, but I thought people might like to see the man himself:

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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2016 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Over a decade ago the mystery of George Alexander Cheyne Mackinlay was first highlighted on the Great War Forum. In the years that followed research continued and evidence gathered from a wide variety of sources with the purpose of having George rightfully commemorated by the Commonwealth War Graves Commission.

A submission in 2010 was rejected through lack of key corroborative information.

In February, 2016 a comprehensive report was submitted to Terry Denham and after careful scrutiny forwarded to the relevant authorities for a final decision.

I am very pleased that today George Alexander Cheyne Mackinlay has finally been commemorated;

MacKINLAY, GEORGE ALEXANDER CHEYNE

Rank: Private
Service No: 200909
Date of Death: 15/08/1917
Age: 26
Regiment/Service: Cameronians (Scottish Rifles) 2nd Bn.
Panel Reference: Addenda Panel
Memorial: YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL
Additional Information: Son of George MacKinlay of Hillhead, Glasgow.

N.B.
This casualty has recently been accepted for commemoration, however it will not be possible to add his name to this memorial immediately. Please contact the Commission for more information, before planning a visit.

A massive thank you to everyone who contributed and assisted towards this successful outcome.

All my life is a moaning and a sighing
After the days that are gone;
All my years of youth but a crying
After what is lost for ever,
Swept along on Time’s dark river
Unto the sea of oblivion.

My present is a wailing elegy,
A hopeless threnody,
Unto the sad sweet memory
Of the dead Past.


Poem by George A. C. Mackinlay.

Rest in Peace George – ‘Missing no More’.

Mark


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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2016 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very, very well done Mark.
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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2016 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

great news - well done

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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2016 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great news Mark.

It certainly pays to be patient!

Anne Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2016 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a fantastic result, and full credit to everyone here who provided assistance with research and information.

We got there in the end...
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