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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 7:22 pm    Post subject: Bonchester unknowns Reply with quote

http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=102&highlight=

Can anyone help me with a couple of unfindables on the above memorial please?

WW1 Alex.Ponton KOSB
WW2 Sub Lt. C.N.Hutchins, RNVR


I've checked all my usual haunts with no success. Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a possibility.

You'll get a Sub/Lt C. N. Hutchins of the RNVR if C. Newburgh-Hutchins has wrongly been given a double barreled surname, when Newburgh should be a middle name?

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=2812338

While searching I found E.F. Bailey from Bonchester Bridge, where's he commemorated on a War Memorial if not here?

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=2336479
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Del,

Thank you - C. Newburgh-Hutchins seems to be my man as "Weens" in the address is local to Bonchester.

I could actually kick myself as I have previously featured his grave here:

http://scottishwargraves.phpbbweb.com/viewtopic.php?t=632&start=0&mforum=scottishwargraves

As for E.F.Bailey I have no idea where he is commemorated.
I suspect that his widow moved to Bonchester after his death?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alexander Ponton served in KOSB with Army number 7023, I have his MIC (no medals but SWB awarded). Not on CWGC or SNWM but if he died of non war-related cause after discharge, this would account for it. Pension record is on Ancestry, states address as Bonchester Bridge. He was discharged under Kings Regulations 392 (XVI) and if my research is correct that is 'no longer physically fit for service'. He was an under gamekeeper. It would be interesting to know his cause of death because he could still be a non-commemoration. Let me know if you want his MIC or pension record.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul,

That is a brilliant piece of detective work - thank you.
Somehow I could not find him on Ancestry but you obviously had no problem. Thank you once again.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Death of Alexander Ponton on Scotlands People as follows:

Died 14 October 1916, at Templehall, Hobkirk
Age 30, single, occupation Rabbit Catcher.
Parents George Ponton & Susan Bell
Cause of death: Tuberculosis of lungs (1 year)
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Susan,
Thank you.
I believe Alex is a "non-comm" but unfortunatley there is no cause of discharge mentioned in his Pension record. T.B may not have been the cause of his discharge (however unlikely this might have been).
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great news:

The CWGC have accepted Alex Ponton for commemoration.

THANK YOU to all who have helped track him down.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

that's great news, thanks for lettng us know

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:01 am    Post subject: Alex. Ponton KOSB Reply with quote

Well done on getting him the recognition he deserves.

Is his place of burial known to CWGC?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim,
Yes it is.
However, the local council have no plan of the cemetery in question but they have a plot number and I have been unable to locate the grave on 2 previous occasions.
It will be interesting to see what transpires.
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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Update:

Alex Ponton has been added to the CWGC database today but as the family lair in Hobkirk Cemetery could not be identified he is to be commemorated at Brookwood.
The BROOKWOOD (UNITED KINGDOM 1914-18 ) MEMORIAL was created in 2004. It commemorates more than 200 Commonwealth casualties who died in the United Kingdom during the First World War but for whom no graves could be found.

Thank you again to all those who helped to have this man finally remembered and commemorated.
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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DerekR wrote:
Update:

Alex Ponton has been added to the CWGC database today but as the family lair in Hobkirk Cemetery could not be identified he is to be commemorated at Brookwood.
The BROOKWOOD (UNITED KINGDOM 1914-18 ) MEMORIAL was created in 2004. It commemorates more than 200 Commonwealth casualties who died in the United Kingdom during the First World War but for whom no graves could be found.

Thank you again to all those who helped to have this man finally remembered and commemorated.


Well done
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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well done, Derek. Another man officially commemorated.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Private
PONTON, ALEXANDER
Service Number 7023
Died 14/10/1916
Aged 30
1st/4th Bn.
King's Own Scottish Borderers
Son of George and Susan Ponton, of Hawick.

NB.
Recent research has shown that Private Ponton is buried here. The Commission is in the process of producing a special memorial headstone to commemorate him as it is not possible to mark his actual grave.

http://www.thesouthernreporter.co.uk/news/wwi-soldier-gets-his-hero-s-headstone-1-4564474

A First World War soldier from Hobkirk who died from tuberculosis after being discharged from the army is being awarded a Commonwealth War Graves Commission (CWGC) headstone. Private Alexander Ponton, of the King’s Own Scottish Borderers, is buried at Hobkirk Parish Church, but was never given a commission headstone or named on the Roll of Honour when he died, as authorities at the time failed to report his death to the CWGC. Alexander, aged 30, contracted tuberculosis during the war and died from it on October 14, 1916 after he was discharged. He was born in Hawick in 1886, son of George and Susan Ponton, Templehall, Hobkirk. Before enlisting, Alexander was a rural post boy and then an under gamekeeper/rabbit catcher, and lived at Templehall prior to enlistment at Jedburgh in October 1914. He was a Private with the 1st/4th Battalion of the King’s Own Scottish Borderers with service number 7023 and transferred to 12th Provisional Battalion in May 1915. He was discharged on medical grounds six months later; and buried on October 17, 1916. But now, in a special service on Thursday, September 28 at 2.30opm, which will be conducted by Reverend Douglas Nicol at Alexander’s graveside, he will finally be given his due as a war hero.
Regional coordinator for the Commonwealth War Graves Commission, Patricia Keppie, said: “We are always honoured to be able to remember those who lost their lives during both world wars, and Alexander is no different.“Despite him dying due to an illness he contracted during his active service, the CWGC were not informed of his death and were unable to pay a fitting tribute to his bravery with a commission headstone and his name on the roll of honour.“This has now been rectified with many thanks to the In From the Cold Project, who brought Alexander’s case to our attention. As an organisation that commemorates the 1.7 million men and women of the Commonwealth forces who died in both world wars, it’s been an absolute honour to recognise Alexander and to know that people who come to this cemetery will also have the chance to remember him for his bravery and dedication to our country.”


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