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LOOKUPS - Officers/Soldiers Died in the Great War.
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KevinStoke
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:40 pm    Post subject: LOOKUPS - Officers/Soldiers Died in the Great War. Reply with quote

For those who may be unaware that there is a cd available with information of those soldiers and Officers who died during the great war from 1914-1919 although 1919 entries are few and far between. The info given is name, rank, number, where they were born, enlisted and lived. If anyone wants a look up for a soldier then please post below.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Kevin
Many thanks for the offer of a look up, I am interested in finding out about Alexander Smith S/N S/43462 (9th Bn B W) my great uncle. I know he enlisted in Perth but where was he living/working at the time.
His grave: 11.D.5. Guemappe BC Wancourt

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not a great deal to add to what you already know.

He war born in Dundee
Enlist in Perth but there is no information as to his residence.
He was killed in Action in F& F (France & Flanders) 26/04/1917.

He was 1 of 24 men who died on that date from the 9th B.W. (Please do not take this number as gospel as SDGW is not 100% accurate)

Sorry I can't add any more meat to the bone

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Kevin
Many thanks for looking, I have since I posted found a photo of his grave along with his details on the Blairgowrie & Rattary board. No more info that I already have but how strange?

Thanks Again
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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Kevin,

Can you tell me if there's anything on a Lance Corporal Robert Moug of the 4/5 Black Watch?

He's not on CWGC or SNWM. Someone did a Ancestry look up for me and found nothing. He's on the Kinnettles War Memorial and the parish churches stain glass window.

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Derek.
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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've not seen Kevin around here for quite some time, but I'll have a look for you tonight.
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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 10:56 am    Post subject: Robert Moug Reply with quote

Derek

An unusual surname.
The only man with that name ( 1914 -1923 ) died 1919 at Montrose age 71. If not him, the remaing possibility, if not missing altogether, is he died in England or Ireland.

Will check further later.
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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suspect that Moug might be this man

Name: MUGG, ROBERT
Initials: R
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Black Watch (Royal Highlanders)
Unit Text: 5th Bn.
Age: 22
Date of Death: 23/10/1916
Service No: 3318
Additional information: Son of Mrs. Margaret Mugg, of Totterie, St. Cyrus, Montrose.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Pier and Face 10 A.
Memorial: THIEPVAL MEMORIAL

and from SNWM

Surname MUGG
Firstname Robert
Service Number 3318
Date Death 23/10/1916
Decoration
Place of birth Forfar
Other 5th Bn.
SNWM roll THE BLACK WATCH (ROYAL HIGHLANDERS)
Rank Pte
Theatre of death F.& F.

So Forfar/Kinnettles - right nearby I think?

And from 5th Bn Black Watch Roll of Honour it seems to be the best fit surname. http://www.royalhighlanders.co.uk/roll.htm

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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks lads,

I'd considered Robert Mugg, but would it be likely CWGC would have his rank wrong as well as his surname? He is the closest fit though.

I'd looked up scotlands people and found there were 3 Robert Moug's born in the whole country between 1870 & 1902, plus Robert Mugg. All within the Montrose area.
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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DelBoy wrote:
He's on the Kinnettles War Memorial and the parish churches stain glass window.

Cheers,
Derek.


Derek,

Did you get access to take photos of the church windows, now a private house ?
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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, I saw the windows on the Kinnettles heritage website: http://www.kinnettles.org.uk/

They can be seen on this page: http://www.kinnettles.org.uk/main_image.cfm?images_id=33



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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aye, thats where I saw them. Had it in mind to drop by some time. Don't know what response I'd get though.

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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure that 2 different spellings mean that one has to be wrong. I have seen different spellings on the same gravestone and a process of gentrification changes unpalatable names like Smellie to Smiley so why not Mugg to Moug? I think in WW1 LCpl and LSgt were more appointments than ranks so that seems OK. Local ranks would not be in official records and I have seen a few people whose rank on CWGC is lower than the memorial (but rarely, if ever, the other way round).

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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 5:35 pm    Post subject: Pte Robt. Mugg Reply with quote

CWGC will record him according to the details supplied them by the military authority, in this case the name used was Mugg and will be the information given by the man on enlisting.
Whatever spelling he chose to use became his " military name ".
His MIC has Mugg as would his death certificate, since Mugg was the spelling reported.
He may have been an acting L/Cpl which will make him still a Pte, again details furnished by the Army.
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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi kevin I would like a look up please for john stewart s/7730 2nd btn BW
he died from wounds 22/06/1916. trying to find out where he as born
cheers ander11
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