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Gretna Rail Crash Memorial, Rosebank Cemetery Edinburgh
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Adam Brown
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 9:58 pm    Post subject: Gretna Rail Crash Memorial, Rosebank Cemetery Edinburgh Reply with quote

Gretna Rail Crash Memorial, Edinburgh
Location: North-West corner of Rosebank Cemetery
OS Ref: NT 260 755

The memorial to those buried in a mass grave in Rosebank Cemetery after the Gretna Rail crash of 22nd may 1915. Most are from 7th Bn Royal Scots T.F.

Note: Not all the 7th RS men killed at Gretna are buried here.















I have detailed photos of all the name panels. If anyone wants me to post any names please let me know.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adam,
Rosebank is a cemetery I've been meaning to visit for a while as 3 of the victims had a connection with Hawick.
They were:
David Peace, William Murray and Robert Batey.
Can you show their names on some panel pictures if possible?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are the name panels










































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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Adam,
I've spotted the names of my 3 men.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"At Quintinshill, in Dumfriesshire, near the border between Scotland and England, the sun is burning off the last of the clouds. It should be a perfect day. The railway tracks thrum and jangle, electric with a train's approach.
It's 6.49 a.m. on 22nd May 1915 and in the woods near by a lark and blackbird sing"


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It may be of interest that as Secretary of the Scottish Genealogy Society I am recording all the monumental inscriptions in this cemetery. As a keen historian on the WWI and WFA member I have also created an excel spread sheet which lists all the individuals mentioned on gravestones who died in WW1 or WW2 so far its approaching 600.
It is also itended to do this for any Edinburgh cemetries the Society has recorded this includes Warriston, Newington and Comley Bank which has a large number of war graves being next to Craigleith Military Hospital

With regards to Gretna I have copies of all the death certificates for the men who died in Scotland still have to get for those who died in Carlisle or Preston. I also have copies of a lot of the files from National Archives with regards to compensation paid to the relatives and injuired
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 8:42 pm    Post subject: Rosebank Cemetery Piershill Reply with quote

An Edinburgh Military Researcher, Forrest Anderson has an excellent website on this Memorial at:
http://www.military-researcher.com/

Aye
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It may be worth posting these photgraphs of a mural in Leith. It looks like it records significant events in Leith in the 20th Century. One part records the procession of the dead from the Dalmeny Street Drill Hall, home of the 7th Royal Scots to Rosebank Cemetery.

I'm afraid I don't know it's background or who is responsible for it. It's a bit worn now but you can see it at the corner of North Junction Street and Ferry Road. It's near Leith Library & Theatre. I didn't take any more photographs of it but if anyone wants to see any other parts I can go back and take some more.





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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 4:52 pm    Post subject: reply Reply with quote

Don't know if this has already been mentioned, but there is also a commemorative plaque in Larbert station, unveiled (I think) in 1995. My father's uncle Robert Wilkie was killed in the crash, and is buried in the family lair in Bannockburn cemetery. My father and his brother were among the families invited to the unveiling at Larbert.
Next time I'm over there I'll try to get a picture.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gordon,
Thanks for the post. It just amazes me who is about and still connected to those commemorated on the various memorials.
Please post any info. you have it would be most welcome.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was in the cemetery at Garshake Road, Dumbarton today and came across this grave. The first part of the inscription reads:
DAVID AND MARY JACKSON IN LOVING MEMORY
OF THEIR SONS JOHN JACKSON LIEUT. 9TH A&S.H.
BORN 26 OCTOBER 1888 KILLED IN GRETNA RAILWAY
DISASTER 22 MAY 1915
GEORGE JACKSON LIEUT 11TH A&S.H.
BORN 15 JANUARY 1885 KILLED IN ACTION AT LOOS
FRANCE 26 SEPTEMBER 1915


JACKSON
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Lieutenant
Regiment/Service: Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders
Unit Text: 9th Bn.
Age: 26
Date of Death: 22/05/1915
Additional information: Son of Daniel Jackson, of Dunmore, Dumbarton.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: A. A. 5Z.
Cemetery: DUMBARTON CEMETERY


Name: JACKSON, GEORGE
Initials: G
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Lieutenant
Regiment/Service: Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders
Unit Text: 11th Bn.
Age: 30
Date of Death: 26/09/1915
Additional information: Son of Daniel and Mary Jackson, of Dunmore, Dumbarton.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 125 to 127.
Memorial: LOOS MEMORIAL
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim

There were a few Argyll's Officers killed at Gretna. They weren't in the troop train with the Royal Scots. They were in the Express heading North.

I have a full list of all the casualties which I will format and post.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It will take a while to get all the names ready for putting on here but in the mean time here are the names of the five other servicemen not mentioned on the Rosebank Memorial who died on 22nd May 1915. They were all travelling on the express train

9th Bn Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders

BONNAR , James Crawford , Lieutenant
Buried Helensburgh Cemetery, Dunbartonshire

FINDLAY , Robert Scott , Captain
Buried Boutrich Castle Private Cemetery, Dunbartonshire

JACKSON , John , Lieutenant
Buried Dumbarton Cemetery, Dunbartonshire

Royal Navy

HEAD , Charles Harold Evelyn , Lieutenant Commander, RN. H.M.S. "Vesuvius"
Buried Western Necropolis, Glasgow

PATON , W F. , Assistant Paymaster,RNVR
Buried Cathcart Cemetery, Glasgow


Three Railway staff also died. Two on the troop-train and another on the Express

DYER , Samuel

Railway Sleeping Car Attendant , Express Train

HANNAH , James
Railway Fireman , Troop-train

SCOTT , Frank William
Railway Driver , Troop-train

Another four civilian passengers were killed. I'm not sure of their details apart from a Mrs Nimmo from Newcastle and her baby son.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 7:21 pm    Post subject: Gretna Railway Disaster Reply with quote

Hi Adam
Just to let everyone I am doing a couple of talks on the Gretna railway disaster and the 7th Battalion Royal Scots one this year on Monday 15th October for the Scottish Genealogy Society and one next year in Manchester for the Anglo Scottish FHS. If you want to come to the October one your are more than welcome.

I have copies of all the death certificates for those who died in Scotland due to the accident this includes the certifcates for
Francis William Scott and James Hannah,Driver and Fireman of the Troop-train
Samuel Stephen Dyer Sleeping car attendent on the express
Rachel Nimmo aged 28 and her son Dickson Nimmo (from Newcastle) aged 1,
Herbert Henry Ford Engineer aged 43 (crane department manger Arroll's Works Glasgow)
all passengers on the express train
another passenger on the express who died at Cumberland Hospital Carlisle was Mr James Ferguson McDonald a 48 year old Jeweller from London
as far as I know these were the only civilians killed

Seven unidentified male bodies were interred in the Western Necropolis Glasgow on the 26th of May presumbly to represent the men who were attached to the Royal Scots from the Highland Light Infantry

at least 7 men had private funerals
Sergeant W Allan 131 Lochend Road at Warriston Cemetery

Private John Cummings 31 Albert Street Edinburgh at Seafield Cemetery

Private William Clark Arthur Street Edinburgh at Eastern Cemetery

Private Albert Dallas 12 Cannon Street Leith 12 Cannon Street Leith at Piershill Cemetery

Private James Fullerton Hannah 44 Sloan Street Leith at Eastern Cemetery

Private Archibald Mason 16 Salamander Street Leith at Seafield Cemetery

The informant for all the death certificates issued in Scotland for soldiers from the Royal Scots was the adjutant Capt J Bertram the first issued was Private William Russell on May 29th 1915 and last was for Private William Main on 29th November 1915 they seem to have done in batches

I also have the copies of the componsation awards for the deceased and the those injuried from the 4 files in the pension records from National Archives at Kew

Feel free to contact me with any questions on this subject or on any other soldiers commerated in Rosebank You may intrested to know that Rosebank also contains the family grave for Nellie McPherson who was a ships stewardess on S S Fingal killed on 15th March 1915 and she was the first female crew member in the Merchant Marine in WW1 to be killed

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ken

Many thanks for the very detailed update. Can you give us the details of the time and place of your talk in Edinburgh?

Unfortunately the 15th Of October is during the school holidays here in Edinburgh and I will be away but I'm sure a few other fourm members will be keen to attend.

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