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The Greyfriars Pub does decent Bar Meals and is about 5 minutes walk away Regards Ken Back to top Adam Brown Curator Joined: 14 Dec 2006 Posts: 7312 Location: Edinburgh (From Sutherland) Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 11:34 pm    Post subject: Ken Have they missed a name from this memorial? If you search on the SNWM database for 22/05/1915 it gives 271 names. Most of them are 7th Royal Scots. It includes this chap: Surname GARRIE Firstname George Service Number 1328 Date Death 22/05/1915 Decoration Place of birth Leith Other 7th Bn. SNWM roll THE ROYAL SCOTS (LOTHIAN REGIMENT) Rank Pte Theatre of death Home. If you look him up in the CWGC database it gives these details: Name: GARRIE Initials: G Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Private Regiment/Service: Royal Scots Unit Text: 7th Bn. Age: 20 Date of Death: 22/05/1915 Service No: 1328 Additional information: Son of David and Ann Garrie, of 30, Thorntree St., Leith, Edinburgh. Born at Leith, Edinburgh. Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Cemetery: EDINBURGH (ROSEBANK) CEMETERY He's not got a seperate grave reference which means he's buried in the mass grave going by other entries for 7th Royal Scots who died on 22/05/1915 but I can't find his name listed on the memorial. Regards Adam Back to top Adam Brown Curator Joined: 14 Dec 2006 Posts: 7312 Location: Edinburgh (From Sutherland) Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:57 pm    Post subject: Alphabetical list of those listed on the Gretna Rail Crash Memorial, Rosebank ADAMS , James , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots ALLAN , William , Sergeant , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots ALLAN , Thomas , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots ALLISON , Samuel , Corporal , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots ANDERSON , James , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots ANDERSON , James , Sergeant , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots ANGUS , Robert , Lance Corporal , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots ANGUS , David R , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots ARCHIBALD , David , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots ARNOULD , Thomas , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots AULD , John , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots BAILLIE , Andrew Forest , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots BAILLIE , William , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots BALLANTYNE , John Williamson , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots BARNET , Thomas W , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots BARNETT , Thomas , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots BARRETT , William N , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots BATEY , Robert , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots BATTEN , Francis , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots BAXTER , Archibald Scott , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots BELL , Andrew M , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots BELLMANN , George , Lance Corporal , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots BIRD , Peter , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots BIRD , Alfred James , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots BISSETT , William Thomson , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots BLACKWOOD , William R T , Drummer , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots BLAIR , James Allan , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots BLAIR , John , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots BONNAR , Charles , Lance Corporal , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots BORTHWICK , Robert , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots BRASS , John , Lance Corporal , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots BREMNER , George , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots BROOKSHAW , Frederick , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots BROWN , James , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots BROWN , Andrew , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots BROWN , George , Lance Corporal , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots BRUCE , Robert , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots BRUNTON , Robert , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots BURKE , Robert Mowbray Douglas , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots BURNET , James , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots BURNETT , John , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots CAIRNS , Henry S , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots CAIRNS , Archibald , Lance Corporal , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots CAMPBELL , Andrew , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots CAMPBELL , Peter , Lance Corporal , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots CARLIN , Richard , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots CARTER , John , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots CLARK , William , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots CLARK , Alexander , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots COLVILLE , Arthur Balfour , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots COMBE , Lister S , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots COOK , James , Private , 8th Bn Highland Light Infantry attd 1/7th Royal Scots CRANSTON , James , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots CUMMING , John , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots CUNNINGHAM , John , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots DALGLELSH , George , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots DALLAS , Albert James Proudfoot , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots DAWSON , Robert , Lance Corporal , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots DICK , James , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots DOUGHERTY , Thomas , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots DUFF , Robert , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots DUFF , George , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots DUGDALE , Robert C , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots EDMOND , Thomas , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots FALCONER , John , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots FINLAYSON , John , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots FLETT , William , Lance Sergeant , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots FORRESTER , Jospeh , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots FRASER , Robert Rodger , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots FREW , Daniel Mcnair , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots FYFE , John , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots GAFFNEY , Michael , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots GEAR , James , Sergeant , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots GIBB , Robert , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots GIBSON , Alexander Scott , Sergeant , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots GLENNIE , Alexander , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots GOODWIN , John , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots GRADY , James , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots GRANT , Alexander , Drummer , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots HADDEN , Sydney Alexander , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots HAMILTON , James Dundas Lawrie , Major , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots HAMILTON , Thomas , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots HAMILTON , Archibald , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots HAMPSON , Percy S , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots HANNAH , James F , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots HANNAN , William Heddle , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots HART , Hugh , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots HAY , Robert , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots HENRY , Lawrence , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots ,aka Laurence Hendry HENRY , John , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots HERD , James , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots HOGG , George , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots HOLLERIN , James W , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots HOULISTON , George , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots HUNTER , Robert , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots HUTCHEON , William Orr , Sergeant , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots INGLIS , John , Drummer , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots JACK , David , Corporal , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots JOHNSTON , George , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots KEIR , Andrew , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots KERR , Michael , Corporal , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots KERR , Napoleon Bonaparte , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots KING , Thomas Wright , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots LAING , William Hewitt , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots LAING , Daniel , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots LANG , John , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots LECKIE , Robert , Private , 8th Bn Highland Light Infantry attd 1/7th Royal Scots LITTLE , Robert , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots LOVE , William , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots LUNNY , George M , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots MAIN , William , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots MAIN , Charles , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots MALONE , John , Bugler , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots MARR , George , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots MASON , Archibald , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots MATHER , James , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots MAXWELL , James , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots MAY , John , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots MELVILLE , William , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots MENNAMAN , William Imrie , Lance Corporal , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots MIGHTEN , Walter , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots MILTON , William Drummond , Corporal , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots MITCHELL , John Monfries , Captain , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots MORAN , John , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots MORGAN , Edward Henderson , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots MUIR , George , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots MURRAY , Andrew , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots MURRAY , Thomas , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots MURRAY , William , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots MACAULAY , George Douglas , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots MACAULAY , Henry Gray , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots McDIARMID , David , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots McDIARMID , George Alexander , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots MacDONALD , John , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots McDONALD , Henry , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots McEWAN , William , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots McINTYRE , Alexander Brydon , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots MacKAY , George , Corporal , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots McKAY , Alexander , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots McLAUGHLAN , William , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots McLEAN , David , Lance Corporal , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots MacNAMARA , Donald , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots MacPHERSON , Charles , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots McSHERRY , James , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots McSORLEY , John , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots NAIRN , George , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots NEILANDS , John , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots . An alias, real name Patrick Shields NICHOLSON , Robert , Lance Corporal , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots NICOL , Alexander , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots NIVEN , William , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots ORMISTON , Thomas , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots ORR , Charles , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots PARK , William Forbes , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots PATERSON , William , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots PEACE , David , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots PETERS , David John , Lance Sergeant , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots PETTIGREW , William Millar , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots PONTON , Alexander , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots PORTEOUS , Donald , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots PURVES , James , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots RAMSAY , Robert , Lance Corporal , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots RENWICK , Robert Duncan , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots RITCHIE , David , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots RITCHIE , Peter , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots ROBERTSON , James , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots ROBERTSON , David , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots ROSS , Duncan , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots SALVESEN , Christian Raymond , Lieutenant , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots SCHUMACHER , George , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots SCOTT , James , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots SCOTT , Duncan , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots SCOTT , William , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots SHAW , George , Lance Corporal , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots SHIELDS , Patrick , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots , commemorated on memorial as John Neilands SIME , Robert Hill , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots SIME , James Spalding , Corporal , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots SIMPSON , George R , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots SIMPSON , Walter A , Lance Corporal , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots SINGER , Thomas , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots SKIDMORE , William , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots SMART , Robert Pringle , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots SMEATON , George , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots SMITH , John , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots SMITH , Peter , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots SMITH , Thomas , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots SOMERVILLE , Alexander George , Corporal , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots SPENCE , Archibald , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots STEVENSON , Robert , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots STEWART , William , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots STEWART , John , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots STEWART , James , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots STORIE , George , Corporal , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots SUMMERS , Arthur George , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots SUTTIE , John , Lance Corporal , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots SUTTIE , John , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots SWAN , Robert , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots SYMONS , James , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots THOMSON , Adam Smith , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots TINLIN , William , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots TINSDALE , Ames , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots TURNBULL , Adam S , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots VASS , John , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots WALKER , Robert , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots WEST , William Turnbull , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots WHITE , Alexander , Lance Corporal , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots WHITE , George , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots WHITE , Robert , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots WIGHTMAN , Daniel , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots WILKIE , Robert , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots WILLIAMSON , William , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots WILLIAMSON , Andrew , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots WILLIAMSON , Thomas , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots WILSON , Thomas Inglis , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots WILSON , George , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots YOUNG , Andrew , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots 7th Royal Scots man who died in crash but is listed on the memorial under a different name SHIELDS , Patrick , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots , commemorated on memorial as John Neilands 7th Royal Scots man who died in crash but is not listed on the memorial GARRIE , George , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots Back to top dhubthaigh Our first ever 1000-poster Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 5071 Location: Blairgowrie, Perthshire Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:27 pm    Post subject: I've followed with interest the development of this thread. I know mistakes are made, especially in the maelstrom and confusion of the various Fronts. However it seems very strange that George Garrie is missing from this memorial. Back to top apanderson Administrator Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Posts: 2571 Location: Stirlingshire Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:07 pm    Post subject: Just to let anyone know who's following this thread, I've now posted a photo of the Quintinshill Rail Disaster Plaque situated in Larbert Railway Station. Unfortunately there are no names on the plaque. (Regimental & Unit Memorials, Stirlingshire) Anne Back to top Ken Nisbet Joined: 20 Mar 2007 Posts: 7 Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 7:04 pm    Post subject: George Garrie Hi Adam Sorry for delay in replying I was in Nairn on holiday. I can confirm George Garrie should be on the memorial at Rosebank his death certficate was No174 (Gretna District)registered by the battalion adjutant on 23rd November 1915 his was one of 13 soldiers deaths registered on that date. As he has a Scottish death certificate it would indicate he died in the train crash and not in hospital He was aged 20 a shoemaker by occupation residing at 30 Thorntree Street Leith, son of David Garrie Cabinetmaker and Ann Garrie ms Findlay why he was missed off I don't know perhaps his relatives objected Regards Ken Back to top dhubthaigh Our first ever 1000-poster Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 5071 Location: Blairgowrie, Perthshire Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:19 pm    Post subject: ROBERT BATEY Private No. 1852, 1/7th (Leith Territorial) Battn. Royal Scots, yr. s. of Edward Batey, of 22 Ryehill Gardens, Leith, Linotype Operator, by his wife, Christina Allen, dau. of Thomas Morrisson; b. Walworth S.E., 7 Jan 1897; educ. at Parson's Green School, Edinburgh, and Broughton Higher Grade School, Edinburgh; enlisted on the outbreak of War, 31 Aug. 1914, and was killed in the railway accident near Gretna on 22 May, 1915; unm. He was buried in Rosebank Cemetery, Edinburgh. Name: BATEY, ROBERT Initials: R Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Private Regiment/Service: Royal Scots Unit Text: "B" Coy. 7th Bn. Age: 18 Date of Death: 22/05/1915 Service No: 1852 Additional information: Son of Edward and Christina Batey, of 22, Ryehill Gardens, Leith, Edinburgh. Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Cemetery: EDINBURGH (ROSEBANK) CEMETERY Back to top spoons Joined: 09 Jan 2007 Posts: 4991 Location: St John's Town of Dalry Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 3:25 pm    Post subject: I came across a booklet in the library 'A Handful of Dust' by William Cross. It has 8 pages on the disaster including a full nominal roll. It would be a breach of copyright to put it all here but if anyone would like the scans, just PM me. \Paul Back to top DerekR Moderator Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 3013 Location: Hawick, Scotland Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 4:27 pm    Post subject: Name: KERR, NAPOLEON BONAPARTE Initials: N B Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Private Regiment/Service: Royal Scots Unit Text: 7th Bn. Age: 21 Date of Death: 22/05/1915 Service No: 1184 Additional information: Son of John and Margret Kerr, of 10, Parsons Green Terrace, Edinburgh. Born at Edinburgh. Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Cemetery: EDINBURGH (ROSEBANK) CEMETERY _________________ Time but th' impression stronger makes, As streams their channels deeper wear. Back to top anne park Our first ever 2000 poster Joined: 25 Sep 2007 Posts: 21200 Location: Aberdeen Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 10:03 am    Post subject: William F Park Park William Forbes Pte 1582 7th Royal Scots b St Nicholas Aberdeen e Leith r Edinburgh Age 20 Died Home 22-May-15 Son of James & Margaret Park, 42 Prince Albert Buildings, Edinburgh.Born St Nicholas 168/1 No 317. Died in train disaster on route to Gallipoli crash at Quintshill near Gretna. 1901 Census Newtonton 685/5 26/11/72 79 Pleasance: Father Occ: Tailor. B Aberdeen. Births 1894 St Nicholas 168/1 Entry 317. Edinburgh (Rosebank) Cemetery U. K. Edinburgh (Rosebank) Cemetery Back to top Adam Brown Curator Joined: 14 Dec 2006 Posts: 7312 Location: Edinburgh (From Sutherland) Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:20 pm    Post subject: I contacted the CWGC yesterday about Private George Garrie's lack of grave marker. I got a reply back today. They were aware of the ommission and have plans to erect a headstone in the cemetery in the near future. Adam Back to top Adam Brown Curator Joined: 14 Dec 2006 Posts: 7312 Location: Edinburgh (From Sutherland) Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 12:18 am    Post subject: Many thanks to Andrew Grant for supplying the following photograph of Private Garrie's new marker stone. It's the stone on the right. Here is the same spot a couple of years ago Regards Adam Back to top Adam Brown Curator Joined: 14 Dec 2006 Posts: 7312 Location: Edinburgh (From Sutherland) Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 12:21 am    Post subject: This plaque is at the entrance to the cemetery. Adam Back to top gourdongirl Joined: 10 Oct 2008 Posts: 1200 Location: Musselburgh Scotland Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 2:47 pm    Post subject: Re: the above photo of the plaque at the entrance of Rosebank Cemetery. They have the year wrong, it should be 1915 not 1916. Back to top Caroline Joined: 04 Aug 2008 Posts: 17 Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 12:15 am    Post subject: One of the crosses (the far left one) has come adrift of the wall and fallen forwards. It's unbroken, though. CWGC and Edinburgh Council have been notified and its re-erection is planned. 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