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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 1:32 pm    Post subject: Arbroath High School WW1 Reply with quote

Located in the newer schools assembly hall, beside it is the smaller WW2 wood memorial.
It's large and very dark, so hard to get clear pictures of.

UKNIWM Ref No: 57075 (also 44841 for a lost roll of honour)
OS Map Ref: NO 640 410







The Memorial reads:

TO COMMEMORATE THOSE WHO FELL IN THE GREAT WAR 1914 1919.

PRO PATRIA

Left Side Names:

HELENA BENNET
A. ANDERSON
S.S. ANDERSON
J. BOWIE
D. BRACELIN
A. CHRISTIE
J.L. CUMMING
E.G. DALGARNO
R.D. DEWAR
G.B. DUNCAN
J.M. DUNDAS
D. FEARN
A.J. GIBB
J. HANTON
W. HOWIE
A.F. HUNTER
HOPE HUNTER
W.J. IRVINE
J. JAGGER
H.J.N. KYDD
R.E.G. KYDD
F. LESLIE
G. LOW
J.B. McNAB
G.E. MILLER

Right side:

R.C. MILLER
D.A. MITCHELL
D. MUCKART
J.B. MUCKART
T.B. MYLES
F.F. NAIRN
W. PATERSON
F.G. PROCTOR
J. QUINN
W. RENNIE
H. SAVEGE
A. SCOTT
R.G. SIMPSON
A.D. SMITH
E.M. SMITH
J.D. SMITH
N.J.A. SMITH
G.D.G. STUART
J.O.G. STUART
A.D. VALENTINE
J.W. WATT
J.F. WEBSTER
L. WILDE
L. WILLIAMSON
R. WILSON
S.C. WILSON


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder why Helena Bennet and Capt Hope Hunter were given the honour of having their first names appear and not just initials?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would imagine Helena's mentioned first would be because she was the only woman?

Name: BENNET, HELENA STEWART
Initials: H S
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Staff Nurse
Regiment/Service: Queen Alexandra's Imperial Military Nursing Service
Date of Death: 18/10/1918
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: H. 583.
Cemetery: ARBROATH WESTERN CEMETERY

See: http://scottishwargraves.phpbbweb.com/viewtopic.php?t=9&highlight=arbroath&mforum=scottishwargraves

But as for Hope Hunter - maybe because he was of a higher rank than all the others?

Name: HUNTER, HOPE
Initials: H
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Captain
Regiment/Service: London Regiment (London Scottish)
Unit Text: 2nd/14th Bn.
Age: 42
Date of Death: 03/12/1917
Additional information: Son of George Neish Hunter and Isabella Cloudsley Hunter, of Cuthlie, Arbirlot, Forfarshire. Served in the South African Campaign with the 1st Volunteer Coy. (The London Scottish) attd. 2nd Bn. Gordon Highlanders.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: C. 120.
Cemetery: KANTARA WAR MEMORIAL CEMETERY
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DelBoy wrote:
I wonder why Helena Bennet and Capt Hope Hunter were given the honour of having their first names appear and not just initials?

members of staff as opposed to students perhaps?

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Name: BENNET, HELENA STEWART
Initials: H S
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Staff Nurse
Regiment/Service: Queen Alexandra's Imperial Military Nursing Service
Date of Death: 18/10/1918
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: H. 583.
Cemetery: ARBROATH WESTERN CEMETERY


A. ANDERSON - NOT IDENTIFIED (3 POSSIBILITIES ARBROATH & DISTRICT ROLL OF HONOUR)



Name: ANDERSON, SAMUEL STEPHEN
Initials: S S
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Second Lieutenant
Regiment/Service: Royal Scots Fusiliers
Unit Text: 5th Bn.
Age: 33
Date of Death: 30/12/1915
Additional information: Son of George and Christina B. Anderson, of 19, Leamington Terrace, Edinburgh.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: II. B. 19.
Cemetery: TWELVE TREE COPSE CEMETERY
KILLED IN ACTION



Name: BOWIE, JOHN
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Serjeant
Regiment/Service: Royal Field Artillery
Unit Text: "D" Bty. 156th Bde.
Age: 22
Date of Death: 28/10/1917
Service No: 92862
Additional information: Son of William and Helen Bowie, of 15, Carnegie St., Arbroath.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: XII. D. 5.
Cemetery: THE HUTS CEMETERY
BORN: ARBROATH
ENLISTED: GLASGOW
KILLED IN ACTION - FRANCE & FLANDERS



Name: BRACELIN, DANIEL ALOYSIUS
Initials: D A
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Second Lieutenant
Regiment/Service: Black Watch (Royal Highlanders)
Unit Text: 1st/7th Bn.
Age: 21
Date of Death: 20/07/1918
Awards: Mentioned in Despatches
Additional information: Son of Patrick and Maria Bracelin, of 23, Ann St., Arbroath, Forfarshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: A. 11.
Cemetery: LA NEUVILLE-AUX-LARRIS MILITARY CEMETERY
KILLED IN ACTION


A. CHRISTIE - NOT IDENTIFIED (3 POSSIBILITIES ARBROATH & DISTRICT ROLL OF HONOUR)



Name: CUMMING, JAMES LESLIE
Initials: J L
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Second Lieutenant
Regiment/Service: Royal Flying Corps
Unit Text: 64th Training Sqdn.
Age: 19
Date of Death: 24/03/1918
Additional information: Son of Edwin Charles and Mary Jane Cumming, of Cardean, Morley Place, Arbroath.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: H. 119.
Cemetery: ARBROATH EASTERN CEMETERY



Name: DALGARNO, ERIC GEORGE
Initials: E G
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Gordon Highlanders
Unit Text: 4th Bn.
Age: 19
Date of Death: 21/07/1918
Service No: S/21847
Additional information: Son of George G. and Alice M. Dalgarno, of 3, Victoria St., Arbroath, Forfarshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: II. B. 1.
Cemetery: MARFAUX BRITISH CEMETERY
BORN: ARBROATH, FORFARSHIRE
ENLISTED: PERTH
KILLED IN ACTION - FRANCE & FLANDERS


Name: DEWAR, ROBERT DON
Initials: R D
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Black Watch (Royal Highlanders)
Unit Text: 6th Bn.
Secondary Regiment: Scottish Horse
Secondary Unit Text: formerly
Age: 22
Date of Death: 31/07/1917
Service No: 268349
Additional information: Son of Robert D. Dewar, of 164, Queen's Drive, Crosshill, Glasgow.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: A. 15.
Cemetery: NO MAN'S COT CEMETERY
BORN: ARBROATH, FORFARSHIRE
ENLISTED: DUNKELD
KILLED IN ACTION - FRANCE & FLANDERS


G.B. DUNCAN - NOT IDENTIFIED (NOT INCLUDED ARBROATH & DISTRICT ROLL OF HONOUR)



Name: DUNDAS, JOHN MILNE
Initials: J M
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Black Watch (Royal Highlanders)
Unit Text: 5th Bn.
Age: 19
Date of Death: 10/03/1915
Service No: 2229
Additional information: Son of David and Susan Dundas, of Royston, Arbroath.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: C. 8.
Cemetery: NEUVE-CHAPELLE BRITISH CEMETERY
BORN: ARBROATH, FORFARSHIRE
ENLISTED: BROUGHTY FERRY, FORFARSHIRE
KILLED IN ACTION - FRANCE & FLANDERS


Name: FEARN, DAVID
Initials: D
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Black Watch (Royal Highlanders)
Unit Text: 8th Bn.
Age: 19
Date of Death: 09/08/1915
Service No: 7326
Additional information: Son of John S. and Mary Fearn, of Plans of Thornton, Forfarshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: I. B. 6.
Cemetery: GORRE BRITISH AND INDIAN CEMETERY
BORN: ARBIRLOT, FORFARSHIRE
ENLISTED: ARBROATH
KILLED IN ACTION - FRANCE & FLANDERS



Name: GIBB, ARTHUR JOHN
Initials: A J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Corporal
Regiment/Service: Royal Scots
Unit Text: 6th Bn.
Age: 23
Date of Death: 28/06/1915
Service No: 1260
Additional information: Son of John Grant Gibb and Ann Grant Gibb, of Inverkeilor, Montrose, Forfarshire. A Graduate of Edinburgh University.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 26 to 30.
Memorial: HELLES MEMORIAL
BORN: ARBROATH
ENLISTED: EDINBURGH
RESIDENCE: MONTROSE, FORFARSHIRE
KILLED IN ACTION - GALLIPOLI



Name: HANTON, JOSEPH
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Lance Corporal
Regiment/Service: Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders
Unit Text: 14th Bn.
Age: 25
Date of Death: 30/12/1916
Service No: S/9039
Additional information: Son of William and Margaret Hanton.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Sp. Mem. II. A. 19. Buried near this spot.
Cemetery: HEM FARM MILITARY CEMETERY, HEM-MONACU
BORN: ST. VIGEANS, FORFARSHIRE
ENLISTED: EDINBURGH
RESIDENCE: LONDON, MIDDX.
DIED OF WOUNDS - FRANCE & FLANDERS


W. HOWIE - NOT IDENTIFIED (TWO POSSIBILITIES ARBROATH & DISTRICT ROLL OF HONOUR)



Name: HUNTER, ALEXANDER FORBES
Initials: A F
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Second Lieutenant
Regiment/Service: London Regiment (First Surrey Rifles)
Unit Text: 21st Bn.
Age: 21
Date of Death: 23/05/1916
Additional information: Son of James and Phoebe Hunter, of "Clairmont", Keptie Rd., Arbroath, Forfarshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Bay 10.
Memorial: ARRAS MEMORIAL
KILLED IN ACTION



Name: HUNTER, HOPE
Initials: H
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Captain
Regiment/Service: London Regiment (London Scottish)
Unit Text: 2nd/14th Bn.
Age: 42
Date of Death: 03/12/1917
Additional information: Son of George Neish Hunter and Isabella Cloudsley Hunter, of Cuthlie, Arbirlot, Forfarshire. Served in the South African Campaign with the 1st Volunteer Coy. (The London Scottish) attd. 2nd Bn. Gordon Highlanders.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: C. 120.
Cemetery: KANTARA WAR MEMORIAL CEMETERY
DIED



Name: IRVINE, WILLIAM JAMES
Initials: W J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Ordinary Seaman
Regiment/Service: Royal Navy
Unit Text: H.M.S. "Vivid."
Age: 18
Date of Death: 06/01/1917
Service No: J/59177/Dev
Additional information: Son of William and Mary Irvine, of 18, Knowehead Crescent, Kirriemuir, Angus.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: S. 10.
Cemetery: GUTHRIE PARISH CHURCHYARD


Name: JAGGER, JOHN
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Leading Cooks Mate
Regiment/Service: Royal Navy
Unit Text: H.M.S. "Natal."
Age: 27
Date of Death: 30/12/1915
Service No: 347869
Additional information: Son of Peter and Elizabeth Jagger, of Dundee.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: 12.
Memorial: CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL



Name: KYDD, HENRY JOHN NAYSMITH
Initials: H J N
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Lieutenant
Regiment/Service: West Yorkshire Regiment (Prince of Wales's Own)
Unit Text: 2nd Bn.
Secondary Regiment: Labour Corps
Secondary Unit Text: transf. to
Age: 31
Date of Death: 13/05/1918
Additional information: Son of Mrs. M. V. Kydd, of Arbroath, and the late Mr. Kydd; husband of Ellen Isabel Naysmith Kydd, of 40, Percy Gardens, Tynemouth.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: A. C. 911.
Cemetery: TYNEMOUTH (PRESTON) CEMETERY



Name: KYDD, ROBERT EWART GAULDIE
Initials: R E G
Nationality: Canadian
Rank: Sergeant
Regiment/Service: Canadian Infantry (Quebec Regiment)
Unit Text: 24th Bn.
Age: 37
Date of Death: 11/04/1918
Service No: 66255
Additional information: Son of James and Jean Laken Guild Kydd, of Letham Mill, St. Vigeans, Arbroath, Scotland. Also served for 8 years in The Scots Guards.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: II. B. 3.
Cemetery: LONDON CEMETERY, NEUVILLE-VITASSE



Name: LESLIE, FRANK
Initials: F
Nationality: Canadian
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Canadian Infantry (Nova Scotia Regiment)
Unit Text: 85th Bn.
Age: 24
Date of Death: 31/10/1917
Service No: 133253
Additional information: Son of James C. and Isabella B. Leslie, of 24, Newton Avenue, Lynn, Mass., U.S.A.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: XVI. A. 3.
Cemetery: TYNE COT CEMETERY


Name: LOW, GEORGE
Initials: G
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: London Regiment (London Scottish)
Unit Text: 14th Bn.
Age: 19
Date of Death: 31/08/1918
Service No: 528106
Additional information: Son of Mr. and Mrs. Andrew Low, of 100, Keptie St., Arbroath.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: II. B. 7.
Cemetery: H.A.C. CEMETERY, ECOUST-ST. MEIN
BORN: FORFAR
ENLISTED: FORFAR
RESIDENCE: FORFAR
KILLED IN ACTION - FRANCE & FLANDERS

Name: McNAB, JOHN BORRIE MCCULLOCH
Initials: J B McC
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Lieutenant
Regiment/Service: Royal Engineers
Age: 29
Date of Death: 14/02/1919
Additional information: Husband of Mabel Wilson McNab, of Erdington Villa, Carnoustie, Forfarshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: X. B. 4.
Cemetery: MONS (BERGEN) COMMUNAL CEMETERY
KILLED

Name: MILLER, GEORGE EATON
Initials: G E
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Serjeant
Regiment/Service: Black Watch (Royal Highlanders)
Unit Text: 5th Bn.
Age: 26
Date of Death: 09/05/1915
Service No: 2309
Additional information: Son of Alexander and Elizabeth Eaton Miller, of 8, Carnegie St., Arbroath.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: F. 15.
Cemetery: LE TROU AID POST CEMETERY, FLEURBAIX
BORN: ARBROATH, FORFARSHIRE
ENLISTED: BROUGHTY FERRY, FORFARSHIRE
KILLED IN ACTION - FRANCE & FLANDERS
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

New forum member Pat Anderson has reminded me that there was an accompanying Oak Case with 5 or 6 additional names of former pupils who had been missed of the memorial.
This is now believed to have been lost in the move to the new school in the mid 1980's, In spite of Mr Andersons appeal for information recently in the local press.

One former pupil on the missing additional memorial was his Uncle, Patrick Wright Anderson.

UKNIWM info:
1925: AN ADDITIONAL MEMORIAL WAS ADDED TO INCLUDE FIVE NAMES OF EX-STUDENTS WHO HAD BEEN OMMITTED IN THE FIRST MEMORIAL, OR WHO HAD DIED OF WOUNDS. IT TOOK THE PLACE OF AN OAK CASE TO ALSO CONTAIN THE ROLL OF HONOUR.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DelBoy wrote:
New forum member Pat Anderson has reminded me that there was an accompanying Oak Case with 5 or 6 additional names of former pupils who had been missed of the memorial.
This is now believed to have been lost in the move to the new school in the mid 1980's, In spite of Mr Andersons appeal for information recently in the local press.



Thats a great pity
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a great shame, luckily one name is known. Perhaps the local paper from 1925 would give a mention of the additional memorial and list the other four names?

I'd agree with Anne above that Helena Bennet gets top billing because she is the only woman listed. She is also listed on the Scottish Nurses Memorial in St Giles' Edinburgh.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:35 am    Post subject: ARBROATH HIGH SCHOOL WAR MEMORIAL :Additional & Roll Reply with quote

The Arbroath Guide for Saturday , 30 June 1923 :

HIGH SCHOOL WAR MEMORIAL:

On the occasion of the presentation of Prizes at the High School yesterday , when all the pupils were assembled in the hall , the Rector Mr D Drysdale, said that when the school war memorial was first completed , two and a half years ago it was discovered that the names of FIVE of the FORMER PUPILS who had laid down their lives in the Great War had been received too late for inclusion in the list , which was to be inserted on the memorial . AFTER THAT DATE , ANOTHER FORMER PUPIL of the school DIED AS A RESULT OF WOUNDS RECEIVED IN ACTION . The committee who had had the erection of the memorial in hand, had already decided that there should be added to it an oak case to contain the roll of honour , and they agreed that the names of the Six men should be inscribed thereon . That had been done , and the memorial was ready to be unveiled. With the assembly standing Mrs D Littlejohn performed the unveiling ceremony. The names inscribed on the additional section of the Memorial are :-

P. W . ANDERSON ;

D BAXTER ;

D CAIRD ;

C ESPLIN ;

G R MILL

and

J WILSON .



The section takes the form of a tasteful little glass fronted oak case in which the roll of honour will be kept . It was made by W Middleton & Sons , cabinetmakers , Millgate .

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:46 am    Post subject: Arbroath High School war memorial Reply with quote

Having returned home on retirement from the Police I visited the "new" High School at Arbroath and asked the staff where the Roll of honour in the oak case was but they did not know even of its existance so I produced the copy from the Arbroath Guide for Saturday 30 June 1923 . They said that the new school was opened in the mid 1980s and the oak case cabinet with the Roll of Honour inside must not have come to the new school with the Great War war memorial and WW2 memorial .

I wrote to the Director of Education in Forfar and he made an enquiry which came to nothing and implying it was years ago before their time in "office ". I had a Press release to the Courier & Advertiser 17 April 2007 and Arbroath Herald 30 April 2007 but that failed to get any feedback from former teachers or janitors of the old school or new . It would seem that the Oak Cased cabinet may have been left in the old school with the old furniture that would not used in the new High School and the Tayside authority it seems of that time wilfully failed to take care of the cabinet that had been put into the care of the Education Authority .

In my old days as a pupil at the High School , Arbroath the Great War War Memorial and the WW2 war memorial together with the oak case cabinet were located in the main entrance of the High School outside the Rector's office and the School Secretary's Office.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:59 am    Post subject: Arbroath High School Reply with quote

Six additional Casualties :

P W ANDERSON :

Lieutenant Patrick Wright Anderson, 8 Black Watch & 10 Black Watch , 18 Sqn RFC & RAF (wounded in action 27June 1918 Dof W Arbroath 2 Nov 1921) . Listed on Arbroath War Memorial (High Common), St Marys Scottish Episcopal Church Arbroath , University College Dundee ( now Dundee University) & St Andrews University OTC (additional ) ( Now Tayforth Universities OTC ) City Road St Andrews Fife .

D BAXTER :

Pte David H Baxter, Seaforth Highlanders kia 22 Aug 1917


D. CAIRD :

First Engineer David M Caird, Mercantile Marine , killed 10 April 1917


C . ESPLIN :

Pte Charles Esplin , Black Watch , d of w 20 July 1918

G R MILL:

staff Surgeon George R Mill , RNVR died 11 Feb 1918


J. WILSON :

Lieutenant James Wilson , Cameron Highlanders died 12 July 1918


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Patrick W Anderson


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 12:03 pm    Post subject: Arbroath High School Reply with quote

Arbroath High School magazine : Vol IV , No 4 - June 1915 . Price 3d :

page 136 records the ROLL OF HONOUR up to that period of time in the Great War :

Lists the first 5 former Pupils of the school Killed in Action and lists all the other former pupils serving in the Regiments , Corps at that time on active service in that war .


We Will Remember them :
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:28 pm    Post subject: Arbroath High School war memorial Reply with quote

The Arbroath High School was originally located in old High School on Keptie Street, Arbroath (now Angus College ) and it was moved to the new school location on Keptie Road Arbroath when the new purpose built school was built around 1985 .

The Eastern Forfarshire Directory & Arbroath Year Book for 1922 records under the heading " MEMORIALS OF WAR HEROES "

The aftermath of war continues to be seen in many ways , and during the year the number of memorials to those who gave their life in the great conflict have been numerous. In January ( 1921 ) , a mural tablet in the High School , erected to the Memory of the former pupils was unveiled by Lieutenant Colonel T F Dewar in the presence of a large and deeply interested gathering .

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A little extra info about Frank Leslie transcribed from The Arbroath Herald/Guide.

His cousin James Leslie in the Royal Scots died 10 days before him in the same area. He is listed on the nearby St Vigeans War Memorial.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi there

I've been going through our UKNIWM Scottish records as we upload them onto the public website and I noticed you have this record assigned to UKNIWM 44841. This is a wrong number as this record refers to a roll of honour that was placed in a display cabinet but has been subsequently lost. The correct UKNIWM ref number for the WW1 plaque is 57075.

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