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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 6:22 pm    Post subject: Re: women recorded on memorials Reply with quote

mfi wrote:
David McNay's photograpghs of the Cupar memorial records the names of
two women on the WWII panel
HELEN MILNE, nurse and
CATHERINE SMITH, WRNS,


I was reading the Cupar transcription and see that these two female casualties had been posted in this thread already, but I can't see them on CWGC or SNWM. Has anyone info on these two WW2 women?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:08 pm    Post subject: women recorded on memorials Reply with quote

Smith is on CWGC and SNWM. H.M.S. Pyramus was the RN Base at Kirkwall, she was killed in a flying accident, at sea.

I suspect Helen Milne may have been a civilian nurse and so not qualify for war dead status. Local press might provide more info.

Name: SMITH, CATHERINE PEEBLES
Initials: C P
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Wren
Regiment/Service: Women's Royal Naval Service
Unit Text: H.M.S. Pyramus
Age: 20
Date of Death: 15/02/1943
Service No: 40183
Additional information: Daughter of Robert Smith, and of Mary Smith (nee Mackie), of Coupar.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Sec. A. Grave 165.
Cemetery: CUPAR NEW CEMETERY
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Re Helen Milne commemorated as WW2

Is it a coicidence or an error?

Name: MILNE, HELEN
Initials: H
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Sister
Regiment/Service: Queen Alexandra's Imperial Military Nursing Service
Age: 31
Date of Death: 23/11/1917
Additional information: Daughter of James and Louisa Helen Milne, of "Bona Vista", 10, Gurney St., Stonehaven, Grampian.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Face F.
Memorial: KIRKEE 1914-1918 MEMORIAL

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tony

I think a mix up between WW1 & WW2 would be highly unlikely at Cupar and this is not the same woman.
Cupar is a long way from Stonehaven. Local news papers might provide the answer.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Jim

Just a thought

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 1:38 pm    Post subject: Annie Lawrie on Kirkintilloch Reply with quote

Just transcribing the WW2 names on Kirkintilloch. There's an Annie Lawrie named on the WW2 panels.

CWGC
Name: LAWRIE, ANNIE
Initials: A
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Aircraftwoman 1st Class
Regiment/Service: Women's Auxiliary Air Force
Age: 21
Date of Death: 11/07/1945
Service No: 2118448
Additional information: Daughter of Thomas and Agnes Lawrie, of Kirkintilloch.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Sec. C. Plot B. Grave 325.
Cemetery: KIRKINTILLOCH (AULD AISLE) CEMETERY

SNWM
Surname: LAWRIE
Firstname: Annie
Service number: 2118448
Date of death: 11/07/1945
Place of birth: Kirkintilloch
SNWM roll: ROYAL AIR FORCE and DOMINION AIR FORCES
Rank: A C W 1
Theatre of death: W.A.A.F. B.C.

Her grave is on the war graves project.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 1:54 pm    Post subject: Janet F. Pattie on Kirkintilloch war memorial Reply with quote

There's also a Janet F. Pattie listed on Kirkintilloch war memorial.
It's odd that she was listed under her maiden name of Pattie (CWGC have the parents surname wrong as I have checked her Death Cert).

Name: LITHGOW, JANET FULTON SNEDDON
Initials: J F S
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Auxiliary Territorial Service
Age: 24
Date of Death: 13/12/1945
Service No: W/217823
Additional information: Daughter of Robert and Janet Pattis, of Kirkintilloch; wife of Andrew C. Lithgow, of Auchinloch, Lanarkshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Sec. C. Plot E. Grave 300.
Cemetery: KIRKINTILLOCH (AULD AISLE) CEMETERY

Derek.


*Edit - Anne


War Graves Project link

This lady lead me a merry dance trying to find her in Auld Aisle Cemetery!

On the stone she is listed as 'Jenny, beloved wife of Andrew C. Lithgow and daughter of Robert & Janet Pattie (nee Sneddon)'.

Also, her parents are listed on CWGC as Pattis!! Rolling Eyes


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 2:03 pm    Post subject: Pte. Janet F. Lithgow, ATS Reply with quote

Derek

If she died in Scotland, can you send me on the DC.

The memorial is also in error if she was married.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 2:17 pm    Post subject: Janet Scott Portingale Reply with quote

Another lady on the Kirkintilloch memorial is sister Janet Scott Portingale. There's no obvious link to Kirkintilloch.

CWGC
Name: PORTINGALE, JANET SCOTT
Initials: J S
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Sister
Regiment/Service: Queen Alexandra's Imperial Military Nursing Service
Age: 32
Date of Death: 07/12/1942
Service No: 215393
Additional information: Daughter of William Robert and Helen Scott Portingale, of Victoria, British Columbia, Canada.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 22. Column 2.
Memorial: BROOKWOOD MEMORIAL

SNWM
Surname: PORTINGALE
Firstname: Janet S
Service number: 215393
Date of death: 07/12/1942
Place of birth: Union of South Africa
SNWM roll: WOMEN'S SERVICES
Rank: Sister
Theatre of death: At Sea

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Derek.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 6:15 pm    Post subject: Elizabeth Cumming Nimmo Reply with quote

On the Prestwick memorial the WW2 casualty is listed.

Private Elizabeth C. Nimmo, Auxiliary Territorial Service

CWGC
Name: NIMMO, ELIZABETH CUMMING
Initials: E C
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Auxiliary Territorial Service
Age: 19
Date of Death: 17/12/1944
Service No: W/296516
Additional information: Daughter of Hugh and Agnes Nimmo, of Prestwick.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Sec. K.2. Grave 7.
Cemetery: MONKTON AND PRESTWICK CEMETERY


SNWM
Surname: NIMMO
Firstname: Elizabeth C
Service number: 296516
Date of death: 17/12/1944
Place of birth: Ayr
SNWM roll: WOMEN'S SERVICES
Rank: Pte
Theatre of death: United Kingdom

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 6:22 pm    Post subject: Annie Dick Campbell Reply with quote

On Ayr memorial is Annie Dick Campbell.

CWGC
Name: CAMPBELL, ANNIE DICK
Initials: A D
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Wren
Regiment/Service: Women's Royal Naval Service
Unit Text: H.M.S. Paragon
Age: 19
Date of Death: 11/01/1944
Service No: 72775
Additional information: Daughter of James and Mary Campbell, of Ayr.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Sec. K. 1906 Div. Grave 4013.
Cemetery: AYR CEMETERY, Ayrshire

SNWM
Surname CAMPBELL
Firstname Annie Dick
Service number N/WRNS72775
Date of death 11/01/1944
Decoration
Place of birth Ayr
Other
SNWM roll ROYAL NAVY AND ROYAL MARINES
Rank Wren Stwd
Theatre of death W.R.N.S. H.M.S. Paragon. Scarborough.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 6:26 pm    Post subject: Mabel Douglas McGregor Reply with quote

Also a WW2 casualty on Ayr memorial is Sister Mabel Douglas McGregor.

CWGC
Name: McGREGOR, MABEL DOUGLAS
Initials: M D
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Sister
Regiment/Service: Queen Alexandra's Imperial Military Nursing Service
Age: 30
Date of Death: 07/12/1942
Service No: 239998
Additional information: Daughter of William and Elizabeth McGregor.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 22. Column 2.
Memorial: BROOKWOOD MEMORIAL

SNWM
Surname: McGREGOR
Firstname: Mabel D
Service number: 239998
Date of death: 07/12/1942
Place of birth: Belfast
SNWM roll: WOMEN'S SERVICES
Rank: Sister
Theatre of death: At Sea

Any info on her Tony?

Cheers,
Derek.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 6:31 pm    Post subject: Mary Kennedy Stevenson Reply with quote

WW2 casualty on Ayr memorial is Mary Kennedy Stevenson.

CWGC

Name: STEVENSON, MARY KENNEDY
Initials: M K
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Nursing Member
Regiment/Service: Voluntary Aid Detachment
Age: 22
Date of Death: 07/06/1945
Service No: W/694090
Additional information: Daughter of James Stevenson, M.C., and Jessie Neil Stevenson, of Ayr.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Sec. U. 1931 Div. Grave 3560.
Cemetery: AYR CEMETERY, Ayrshire

SNWM
Surname: STEVENSON
Firstname: Mary Kennedy
Service number: 674090
Date of death: 07/06/1945
Place of birth: Kirkmichael
SNWM roll: WOMEN'S SERVICES
Rank: Nursing Member
Theatre of death: United Kingdom

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 6:36 pm    Post subject: Alice Docherty Smith Reply with quote

On WW2 Ayr is Alice Docherty Smith of the A.T.S.

Although I cannot find her on SNWM or CWGC. Can anyone find her for me?

Cheers,
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 7:05 pm    Post subject: Sister Mabel Douglas McGregor. Reply with quote

She was lost when SS Ceramic was torpedoed off the Azores and sunk en route to Durban.
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