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PostPosted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Definitely neither of those then!

Perhaps he served under an alias? If so, then 'usually' the CWGC database gives a hint of both names, but that doesn't seem to be the case either.

From memory, I think I searched through Census Returns too, and found the 'Rev.' Gowanlock, but (again from memory) I don't think he was married, or if he was, there was no sign of any children.

Curious!

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A theory about T Gowanlock - prompted by finding Thomas Gowanlock on the St Ninian's Old Parish Church memorial (no rank or regiment stated)
I found an online Gowanlock family tree with the name William Thomas born 1884, died 1919. What if he were known as Thomas - there were loads of other Williams in the family. This one was born in Glasgow but he might have been stationed in Stirling, perhaps even billeted in one of the churches. Mistakes in the regiment were quite common, I've found, especially if it wasn't a local lad. I can't begin to explain why there are two dates of death for what is quite clearly the same person!

Surname GOWANLOCK
Forename W
Rank Pte
Service number 265463
Decoration MM
Place of birth Glasgow
Date of death 27 March 1919
Theatre of death France
Cause of death Unknown
SNWM roll THE CAMERONIANS (SCOTTISH RIFLES)
Unit name Unknown Unit attached to THE CAMERONIANS SCOTTISH RIFLES
Other detail 8th Bn.
SNWM

GOWANLOCK, W
Rank: Private
Service No: 265463
Date of Death: 29/07/1918
Regiment/Service: Cameronians (Scottish Rifles) 8th Bn.
Awards: M M
Grave Reference: VII. D. 1.
Cemetery: RAPERIE BRITISH CEMETERY, VILLEMONTOIRE
Additional Information:
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Possibly the info from SNWM is a bit wonky?

According to SDGW (Ancestry's version), No. 265463 was WALTER Gowanlock, MM, killed in action 29th July 1918, 8th Bn., Scottish Rifles - details match CWGC.

There might be yet another contender if Thomas was perhaps his middle name:

James T. Gowanlock, No, 1455, 7th Bn., Scottish Rifles, enlisted at Glasgow, died 28th June 1915.

No apparent connection to Cambusbarron either. Confused
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh well, so much for that theory!
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adam Brown wrote:
Did the Gordons private die of Second World War wounds? If so that was a long time to suffer.

Adam


George Laurie Morrison, Forestry Worker, age 31 of Cambusbaron died in Stirling Royal Infirmary on 29 July 1956 due to "paraplegia war wounds - 12 years" and other things.
Wounded in Normandy perhaps?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Charles Cant DCM and James Cossar are also remembered on the St Ninian's Old Parish Church memorial.

CANT, CHARLES
Rank: Private
Service No: S/13341
Date of Death: 24/09/1918
Regiment/Service: Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders 2nd Bn.
Awards: D C M
Panel Reference: Panel 10.
Memorial: VIS-EN-ARTOIS MEMORIAL
Additional Information:
CWGC
Surname CANT
Forename Charles
Rank Pte
Service number S/13341
Decoration DCM
Place of birth Cambusbarron Stirlingshire
Date of death 24 September 1918
Theatre of death F&F
Cause of death Killed in action
SNWM roll THE ARGYLL AND SUTHERLAND HIGHLANDERS
Unit name Unknown Unit attached to THE ARGYLL AND SUTHERLAND HIGHLANDERS
Other detail 2nd Bn.
SNWM
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

T M Gall is also remembered on the St Ninian's Old Parish Church memorial.

GALL, THOMAS MALVERN
Rank: Private
Service No: S/14569
Date of Death: 31/12/1916
Age: 24
Regiment/Service: Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders "C" Coy. 11th Bn
Panel Reference: Panel 125 to 127.
Memorial: LOOS MEMORIAL
Additional Information:
Son of Margaret Gall, of Ellangowan, Cambusbarron, Stirling, and the late Robert Gall
CWGC
Surname GALL
Forename Thomas
Rank Pte
Service number S/14569
Decoration
Place of birth Ellengowan Stirlingshire
Date of death 31 December 1916
Theatre of death F&F
Cause of death Killed in action
SNWM roll THE ARGYLL AND SUTHERLAND HIGHLANDERS
Unit name Unknown Unit attached to THE ARGYLL AND SUTHERLAND HIGHLANDERS
Other detail 11th Bn.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W G Hunter is also remembered on the St Ninian's Old Parish Church memorial:
HUNTER, WILLIAM GORDON
Rank: Lance Corporal
Service No: 4818
Date of Death: 15/07/1917
Age: 24
Regiment/Service: Australian Infantry, A.I.F. 51st Bn
Grave Reference: II. B. 3.
Cemetery: MUD CORNER CEMETERY
Additional Information:
Son of John and Mary Hunter, of 65, Bannockburn Rd., St. Ninians, Stirling, Scotland
CWGC
Surname HUNTER
Forename William Gordon
Rank L Cpl
Service number 4818
Decoration
Place of birth
Date of death
Theatre of death Unknown
Cause of death Unknown
SNWM roll AUSTRALIAN EXPEDITIONARY FORCE
Unit name Unknown Unit attached to AUSTRALIAN EXPEDITIONARY FORCE
Other detail 51 Bn.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

G W MacFarlane is also commemorated on the St Ninian's Old Parish Church memorial:

MACFARLANE, GEORGE WEBSTER
Rank: Chief Petty Officer
Service No: 160606
Date of Death: 18/10/1914
Age: 39
Regiment/Service: Royal Navy H.M. S/M. "E3."
Panel Reference: 1.
Memorial: PORTSMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL
Additional Information: Son of Alexander and Devina Macfarlane, of Stirling; husband of Violet H. Macfarlane, of Bell Inn, West Cowes, Isle of Wight.
CWGC
Surname MACFARLANE
Forename George Webster
Rank Ch Petty Offr
Service number 160606
Decoration
Place of birth
Date of death 19 October 1914
Theatre of death RN HM Submarine 'E3'
Cause of death Unknown
SNWM roll THE ROYAL NAVY
Unit name Unknown Unit attached to THE ROYAL NAVY
Other detail
SNWM
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 1:13 pm    Post subject: Colin Hunter Reply with quote

Colin McI Hunter Pte S/41345 4th Gordon Highlanders b St Ninians, Stirlingshire e Stirling Age 32 Killed in Action F&F 29/08/1918 Son of George and Janet Hunter. Husband of Margaret Ross Hunter, of 39, Upper Castlehill, Stirling. 1891 & 1901 Census: Stirling Rd; Short Service: 31 pages: 1 King's Stables. B 1884. Occ: Butcher. Wife Margaret Moncrieff. Soldiers Will 4 Pages. Vis-En-Artois Memorial M. R. 16 Panel 10 Cambusbarron & Stirling
ps middle name might be McLuckie.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 1:14 pm    Post subject: James Kerr Reply with quote

James Kerr Pte S/7661 8th/10th Gordon Highlanders e Stirling Age 23 Killed in Action F&F 01/08/1917 Husband of Rosina Kerr, of 11, Hayford Square, Cambusbarron, Stirling. Native of Bannockburn. Tyne Cot Cemetery B 125 Plot XXV Row A Grave 23
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 1:15 pm    Post subject: George Smith Reply with quote

George Smith Private S/10597 1st Bn. Gordon Highlanders b Cambusbarron,St'ng e Stirling Age 18 Killed in Action Somme, France 18/07/1916 Son of the late William Fraser Smith. Thiepval Memorial M. R. 21 Pier 15B & 15C Cambusbarron
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Richard Griffiths Wilson Pte S/22575 6th Gordon Highlanders e Stirling Age 18 Killed in Action F&F 12/04/1918 Eldest son of Kate Griffiths Wilson, of Hayford House, Stirling, and the late Andrew Wilson, F.I.C. Educated at High School, Stirling. D Coy. Ploegsteert Memorial M. R. 32 Panel 9
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:54 am    Post subject: Gowanlock Reply with quote

A further twist to the search for Thomas Gowanlock on the Cambusbarron memorial. In the Stirling Observer of 18.11.2015, there is an article regarding a new memorial to those who fought in WW1 from Cambusbarron. In the list of those who died is Private James T Gowanlock so he could be the Scottish Rifles one - just need to find a Cambusbarron connection. The Memorial is housed in the Grierson Hall at the Community Centre - perhaps someone there might know.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a posting from way back in 2011 in the Q&R thread

Jim McGinlay seems to have found a Gowanlock Family stone in Cathcart Cemetery. He hasn't got round to posting the photo.

Apparently the stone in Cathcart lists James (Tait) Gowanlock and his brother - Walter Gowanlock, both of them being in the Cameronians.

http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=6569&highlight=gowanlock

The family were in Pollokshields, Glasgow in 1911 but they did get about a bit.
Looking at the 1901 on Ancestry they were in West Lothian - the father, born Edinburgh was a Mercantile Clerk, the mother and some of the children (including James Tait Gowanlock) were born in Ireland, the others in Glasgow.
SDGW and Soldiers effects confirm birthplace and father.
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