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PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 4:08 pm    Post subject: KILLIN Reply with quote

Situated adjacent the road (A827) heading south out of Killin


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Unveiled by the Marquis of Breadalbane - October 27th 1920 (slightly different date from below)

Listed Category C(S) by Historic Scotland 4th May 2006

Jim McGinlay has some great old picture postcards of the Killin Memorial

Here are some notes from Historic Scotland;

Sculpted by Alexander Carrick and unveiled on 29th October 1920, this figurative war memorial is prominently set at the southern entrance to Killin and is located close to the famous Falls of Dochart. Of importance to Killin as a memorial to those who gave their lives in the two World Wars and typical of the work of Carrick, the large battered coursed rubble stone base is surmounted by a three dimensional kilted soldier with full kit and slung rifle. The whole is surrounded by a low stone walled bench-type enclosure of post and lintel construction with pairs of simple rough hewn square piers surmounted by planters to the West and East forming entrances. An intervening cobbled/pebbled paving has the inscription, LEST WE FORGET.

Inscription to the South elevation reads, 1914-1919 TO THE GLORY OF GOD AND IN HONOURED MEMORY OF (NAMES) 1939-1945 (NAMES). Further names are recorded on panels to the West and East elevations.

MATERIALS
Predominantly pale pink sandstone to sculpture and base. Grey stone to bench enclosure. Light coloured stone cobbles/pebbles to enclosure with lettering in black.

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A photograph dated 29th October 1920 in the Breadlabane Folklore Centre in Killin depicts a well-attended unveiling ceremony. (JIM, I THINK THIS WOULD BE A NICE PHOTO TO GET A COPY OF)
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's another candidate for a visit this year - very impressive.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are some pics of some of my old postcards showing how the Killin war memorial used to look in the 1920's and 30's before it became hemmed in by trees. It was really quite a famous monument at the time judging by the number of postcards and newspaper and magazine articles it generated and looking at the backdrop you can see why.
Also below is a picture of Alexander Carrick using the original plaster sketch model of the Killin soldier, and a pointing machine, to carve a larger scale version for the South African Scottish Regimental memorial in Pretoria, South Africa.
I think it is very likely that Carrick based the sculpture on Michelangelo's famous work 'David' in Florence. The pose and faces of both sculptures are very similar and I think Carrick was playing on a pun as Michelangleo's 'David' holds the sling with which he slew Goliath draped over his shoulder, and in an almost identical way the Killin highlander grasps the sling of his shouldered rifle with which he faced up to the goliath of the Prussian military machine.
The Alexander Carrick Website is at:
www.alexandercarrick.webeden.co.uk








Below - The South African Scottish Regimental Memorial in Burgher's Park, Pretoria. Photograph supplied and re-produced by kind permission of Carl Hoehler



WWI ROLL OF HONOUR:
CAMPBELL J. SCOTTISH RIFLES PRIVATE
FERGUSON J. GORDON HIGHLANDERS PRIVATE
KNIGHT H.J. BLACK WATCH CAPTAIN
MARQUIS D. ROYAL DRAGOONS PRIVATE
MARQUIS J. ROYAL GARRISON ARTILLERY GUNNER
MCALPINE C. ROYAL NAVY LIEUTENANT ROYAL NAVAL RESERVE
MCDIARMID P.L. CAMERON HIGHLANDERS PRIVATE
MCDOUGALL P. ARGYLL & SUTHERLAND HIGHLANDERS PRIVATE
MCFARLANE J. CAMERON HIGHLANDERS
MCGIBBON J. BLACK WATCH PRIVATE
MCINTYRE H. BLACK WATCH PRIVATE
MCKERCHER R. ROYAL ENGINEERS SAPPER
MCLAUCHLAN R. KING'S OWN SCOTTISH BORDERERS PRIVATE
MCLEAN C. BLACK WATCH PRIVATE
MCLELLAN H. CAMERON HIGHLANDERS
MCLEOD D. BLACK WATCH PIPE MAJOR
MCNAUGHTON D. ROYAL GARRISON ARTILLERY PRIVATE
MCNAUGHTON J. CAMERON HIGHLANDERS
MCNAUGHTON P. AUSTRALIANS PRIVATE A.I.F.
MCNEE D. BLACK WATCH PRIVATE
MCPHERSON H. ARGYLL & SUTHERLAND HIGHLANDERS PRIVATE
MCPHERSON R. BLACK WATCH PRIVATE
NEIL A. ARGYLL & SUTHERLAND HIGHLANDERS SERGEANT
ORR J. CAMERON HIGHLANDERS
STEWART A. ROYAL NAVY ABLE SEAMAN ROYAL NAVAL DIVISION
STEWART D. ARGYLL & SUTHERLAND HIGHLANDERS PRIVATE
STEWART R. CAMERON HIGHLANDERS CORPORAL
WALKER P. MACHINE GUN CORPS LANCE SERGEANT



WWII ROLL OF HONOUR:
HAMILTON W.F. ROYAL AIR FORCE LEADING AIRCRAFTMAN
MACFARLANE W.F. BLACK WATCH LANCE CORPORAL
MARQUIS A. ROYAL AIR FORCE FLIGHT SERGEANT
MORRIS A.D. SPECIAL AIR SERVICES CAPTAIN
NICHOLSON J. BLACK WATCH SERGEANT
STEWART P.J. BLACK WATCH SERGEANT


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PERTHSHIRE ADVERTISER: 30.10.1920

KILLIN
UNVEILING OF WAR MEMORIAL


The war memorial erected by the people of Killin and district to commemorate the local men who fell in the Great War, was unveiled on Wednesday by the Marquis of Breadalbane. At two o'clock the procession was drawn up at the Public Hall and proceeded in the following order:- Band from Perth Depot playing laments; schoolchildren attending Killin and Glendochart Public Schools; ex-Servicemen, and lastly the general public.
The ceremony began with a short religious service, conducted by Rev. D M'Gregor and Rev. G.W. Mackay. Mr John M'Diarmid, Ardclach, chairman of the Parish Council, then introduced the Marquis of Breadalbane, who proceeded to unveil the memorial. The Marquis, in the course of his remarks, thanked the committee for the honour conferred on him and paid an eloquent tribute to the patriotism of the district. He referred to his own connection with the old 5th V.B.R.H., and the Volunteers from the district to other wars, instancing the Boer War. He dwelt on the sacrifices made by the district, and expressed his approval of the scheme of local memorials in each district for its own men. The Marquis then unveiled the memorial, and read the names of twenty-eight men whose names are inscribed on the panels of the monument. These are as follows:- Captain H.J. Knight, Pipe-Major D. M'Leod, Pte. H. M'Intyre, Pte. J. M'Gibbon, Pte. C. M'Lean, Pte. D. M'Nee, Pte. R. M'Pherson, Cpl. R. Stewart, Pte. P.J. M'Diarmid, Pte. J. M'Farlane, Pte. H. M'Lellan, Pte. J. M'Naughton, Pte. J. Orr, Sergt. A. Neill, Pte. P. M'Dougall, Pte. H. M'Pherson, Pte. D. Stewart, Pte. J. Ferguson, Lieut. C. M'Alpine, A.B. A. Stewart, Sapper R. M'Kerchar, Pte. D. Marquis, Pte. D. M'Naughton, Pte. R. M'Lauchlan, Pte. J. Campbell, L-Sergt. P. Walker, Pte. P M'Naughton.
The anthem 'Departed Heroes' was then rendered by the local church choirs, under the conductorship of Mr J.R. Gentle. A piper then played a lament, and a bugler sounded the 'Last Post'. Wreaths were then layed at the foot of the monument. Mr J.D. M'Rae then proposed a vote of thanks to the Marquis for his kindness in granting the site for the memorial, and for the interest he had shown in the district, and in particular for his coming that day to perform the duty he had so felicitously performed. Dr. Wilson moved a vote of thanks to the architect and the sculptor for their share in the memorial. Mr John Stewart, Morenish, in name of the committee and subscribers then proposed that the Parish Council accept the custody of the memorial, and Mr John M'Diarmid, as chairman of that body, accepted custody of it.
The Rev. G.W. Mackay then dedicated the memorial, and following that came the 2nd Paraphrase, sung by the choirs. Then followed the benediction, pronounced by the Rev. D. M'Gregor, and an impressive ceremony was concluded by the singing of the National Anthem.
The memorial consists of a very finely sculpted figure of a Highlander in full fighting kit, erected on a substantially built base. The committee, the architect, and the sculptor are all to be congratulated on the way they have helped the district to raise a monument, both handsome and appropriate, in memory of the brave men from their midst who made the supreme sacrifice.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I called at Killin today and maybe it was the rain but the place looked a bit sad and neglected with no flowers. I take it the district council are responsible for the gardening (rather than a local volunteer) and over the years it has been patchy, on some visits the memorial is clean, tidy and well planted out, on other days you find it like this
It seems a shame as the whole concept of Carrick and the architect James B. Dunn was to create a piece of folk art with a traditional highland garden which I would have thought would have been fairly low maintenance using heathers, gorse and broom etc. Carrick actually wrote that his intention was to build a traditional highland cairn with wide joints into which plants and creepers could be planted.
Also the area is as overgrown as ever with the site hemmed in on three sides by tall trees. I'm sure if the area was cleared and the memorial was seen as it is in the old postcards above it would gain a new lease of life and return to the heart of the community.

Below - a picture of the pebble floor laid in the memorial area with the words 'Lest We Forget' and '1914' and '1919' set out in black stones which underlines this idea that Carrick and Dunn had to create folk art, along with the rustic stone benches.



And a solitary plant growing from a joint in the cairn as Carrick intended.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jamiemcginlay wrote:
Carrick actually wrote that his intention was to build a traditional highland cairn with wide joints into which plants and creepers could be planted.


Jim

I see from the picture of the old postcard that this is what originally happened. Unfortunately somwhere along the line the memorial was given a make-over and the 'weeds' removed.

It could be worse, it seems Moray Council aren't making much of an effort with the memorials in their 'care'. See the latest posts from Roxy in the Moray section.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aye,

When you see the magnificent setting in Jim's old postcard the monuments presence has been reduced somewhat.
There are a few in Perthshire that are needing work and really have the area round them 'sorted out'.
I know how we all feel about them but they are all very important in many senses.
I think some folk are needing a good kick up the *!@-
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was told once by a local historian in Killin that the garden was beautifully laid out for years and that it was actually the tourists who were continually stealing the heathers and climbers and eventually stripped it bare! Maybe the memorial is safer hidden away as it is just now!
The local authority does occassionaly tidy it up and plant it out but even then they tend to plant bright and gaudy geraniums etc. which is completely at odds with the whole concept of the garden and personally I think make it look worse than if they left it alone.
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Pte Duncan McNee Piper Black Watch S/5420 1st Bn 23/4/1917

Source : Killin News

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McNEE, D
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Black Watch (Royal Highlanders)
Unit Text: 1st Bn.
Date of Death: 23/04/1917
Service No: S/5420
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: I. C. 27.
Cemetery: FOSSE No.10 COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION, SAINS-EN-GOHELLE
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