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JollyD



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:25 pm    Post subject: Bo'ness War Memorial Reply with quote

Hi Derek
I saw your post dated 10 December 2011 re you being unable to trace Andrew Huldberg listed on the Bo'ness War Memorial as having died during WW1. I came across it while researching my Huldberg family ancestry.
Andrew was my great uncle. He died in Edinburgh in 1943. My grandmother (his sister) and my mum told me that Andrew had been very upset to discover that his name was included with the names of the fallen. Clearly it was an error. I don't know if he tried to re-dress the situation but as you know his name remains.
I hope that this will clear up the mystery for you.
Kind regards.
Diane[/b]
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Diane,

Jim posted information similar a few years ago that Andrew died years after the war. So it looks liek his name reallt shouldn;t be there. I've seen plenty of calls for names to be added to memorials, but rarely for them to be removed!

Thanks for confirming the story. I wonder how it came to be believed he had perished? Especially as most memorials were built a few years after the end of the war.

Do you know if he was a POW or even what regiment he served in was?

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Derek.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Derek
Yes, it's a strange one!
I don't remember my gran saying anything about him being a POW but I have traced his medal card at The National Archives. He was a Private in the Royal Scots Fusiliers. I haven't actually obtained the full record.
Do you think there may be info out there that could explain it or is just simply a mistake?
It does intrigue me I must say!

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've seen plenty of calls for names to be added to memorials, but rarely for them to be removed!


I have mentioned this posibility several time on the Forum, being the counter argument to adding names. No takers for it though. I agree.

I am opposed to some of the current thoughts about adding names to war memorials because someone in 2013 thinks they should be there. If it can be proven, beyond doubt, that a genuine error was made, I have no problem with that, but we are seeing names added after all thse years based on the flimsiest of evidence at times.
Those best placed to deal with the matter were those charged with erecting the memorial. Ok, they sometimes made mistakes, but some are absent because that is precisely what their NOK wanted for one reason. Why should a name be added now simply because their great, great, great ???? thinks it is a good idea?


Diane

Unfortunately his service record does not survive. It seems odd his sister / family members did not realise the error since lists of names were usually published many times long before the war memorial was complete. I do not think he was in Boness at this time and his family believed he was dead.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Jim
You know I never really considered the fact that there could be another reason for Andrew being listed on the memorial other than it being a 'clerical error'. The more I think about what you say the more I feel that the reason was indeed that for a period of time the family did not know his whereabouts and believed him to be dead. Perhaps my gran spoke of this but I was just a child and only the fact that Andrew had been upset about being included on the memorial has stuck in my memory. Sadly there are no family members with me anymore to ask. It is another tale to include in my family archive that intrigues me and will hopefully intrigue my children's children's children.....in the years to come.
Many thanks for your reply.
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Diane
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diane

There are a number of possibilities which would explain, but it would appear he was not reported in error as having died.
He could have been imprisoned, a deserter, and inmate who lost his memory, etc, etc.
We may now never know the background, unless it is reported in the local papers.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:41 am    Post subject: Pte. Robert McPhee Reply with quote

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McPhee, Robert

(Glasgow Herald 2nd June 1915)
"Private Robert McPhee, of the 2nd Battalion Black Watch, has been wounded in action a second time. Three months ago he had a narrow escape, a bullet piercing his side quite close to his heart. He recovered, and returned to the fighting line three weeks ago, and he now writes to his mother at Miller Pit, Bo'ness, that he has been wounded on this occasion in the left hand by shrapnel. He is in hospital in Birmingham."

CWGC
McPHEE, ROBERT
Rank: Private
Service No: 3/1755
Date of Death: 24/04/1916
Age: 24
Regiment/Service: Black Watch (Royal Highlanders) 2nd Bn.
Grave Reference: XVI. G. 5.
Cemetery: AMARA WAR CEMETERY
Additional Information: Son of John and Robina McPhee, of Millar Pit Cottages, Bo'ness, Midlothian. Native of Kirkcaldy.

SNWM
Surname: McPHEE
Firstname: Robert
Service Number: 3/1755
Date Death: 24/04/1916
Place of birth: Kirkcaldy Fife
Other: 2nd Bn.
SNWM roll: THE BLACK WATCH (ROYAL HIGHLANDERS)
Rank: Pte
Theatre of death: Persian Gulf.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 9:37 pm    Post subject: Pte. Hugh Campbell Reply with quote

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Hugh Campbell

(Glasgow Herald 3rd June 1915)
"Private Hugh Campbell, 1st Battalion Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders, was killed in action on May 10. Campbell was a native of Cloverhill. Dunbartonshire. He enlisted last September at Bo'ness, and in February proceeded to the front. A miner to trade he was for many years employed at Kinneil Colliery, and his parents reside at Castleloan, Bo'ness."

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CAMPBELL, HUGH
Rank: Private
Service No: S/3373
Date of Death: 10/05/1915
Age: 33
Regiment/Service: Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders 1st Bn.
Panel Reference: Panel 42 and 44.
Memorial: YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL
Additional Information: Son of Elizabeth and the late John Campbell; husband of Annie Marshall Reilly (formerly Campbell), of 9, Argyle Lane, Maryhill, Glasgow.

SNWM
Surname: CAMPBELL
Firstname: Hugh
Service Number: S/3373
Date Death: 10/05/1915
Place of birth: Drumchapel Dumbartonshire
Other: 1st Bn.
SNWM roll: THE ARGYLL AND SUTHERLAND HIGHLANDERS
Rank: Pte
Theatre of death: F.& F.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 6:23 pm    Post subject: Video Reply with quote

Link to the unveiling of the Memorial:

http://ssa.nls.uk/film/1387?search_term=war%20memorial&search_fields=Film.

Rgds,
Alex
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:21 pm    Post subject: Pte. William Hamilton Reply with quote

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William Hamilton

(Glasgow Herald 7th July 1915)
"Another Bo'ness man killed in the same charge was Private William Hamilton, 5th Royal Scots, who resided at Craigfoot Terrace, Grangepans. He was 30 years of age and was the second son of Mr Thomas Hamilton, woodyard worker, Grangepans."

CWGC
HAMILTON, W
Rank: Private
Service No: 2826
Date of Death: 19/06/1915
Regiment/Service: Royal Scots 5th Bn.
Grave Reference: I. B. 6.
Cemetery: TWELVE TREE COPSE CEMETERY

SNWM
Surname: HAMILTON
Forename: William
Rank: Pte
Service number: 2826
Date of death: 19 June 1915
Theatre of death: Gallipoli
Cause of death: Killed in action
SNWM roll: THE ROYAL SCOTS (LOTHIAN REGIMENT)
Other detail: 5th Bn.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 8:19 pm    Post subject: William James Martin DCM Reply with quote

William James Martin Sgt S/7972 D.C.M. 8th/10th Gordon Highlanders b Linlithgow e Bo'ness Age 22 Killed in Action F&F 21/03/1918 Son of William Martin, of 72, Furnace Buildings, Bridgeness, Bo'ness, West Lothian. Soldiers Effects: Father William. Sister: Agnes & Annie. Brother: John. Arras Memorial M. R. 20 Panel 8 & 9
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 1:07 pm    Post subject: John Dewar Taylor Reply with quote

John Dewar Taylor Private 291323 1st/7th Bn. Gordon Highlanders b West Calder, Midlothian 06/02/1891 e Bo'ness 25 Killed in Action Somme, France 14/11/1916 Son of Arkley & Robina (nee Dewar) Taylor, 9 Mitchell's Square, Grangepans, Bo'ness, West Lothian. Husband of Mary Anderson Taylor. Thiepval Memorial M. R. 21 Pier 15B & 15C
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2015 8:49 am    Post subject: William Youngson Reply with quote

William Youngson Pte 291470 8th Cameronians (Scottish Rifles) b Aberdeen e Glasgow r Bo'ness Age 32 Killed in Action F & F 31/10/1918 Son of James & Jemima Ann Ritchie Youngson, Peterhead. Husband of Isabella Youngson (nee Gibson), 34 King St; Crieff. Harlebeke New British Cemetery B 140 Plot IV Row C Grave 05 Bo'ness
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 5:53 pm    Post subject: John Erskine Reply with quote

John Erskine L/Cpl S/7970 8th/10th Gordon Highlanders b Carriden, Linlithgow e Bo'ness Killed in Action F&F 15/09/1916 Soldiers Effects: Grandfa: Alexander. Soldiers Will 4 Pages. Contalmaison Chateau Cemetery Fr 0703 Plot I Row A Grave 06 AJ 17-10-16 P6: Bo'ness Bo'ness & Carriden Parish Church, Bo'ness
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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2016 6:56 am    Post subject: Boyd Ballantyne Reply with quote

John Boyd Ballantine Private 266277 9th Bn. Gordon Highlanders b Bo'ness e Keith Age 22 Killed in Action Pas de Calais, France 29/03/1918 Ballantyne in some records. Soldiers Effects: Mother Eliza B. Soldiers Wills 4 Pages. Arras Memorial M. R. 20 Panel 8 & 9 The Scotsman 27-04-18 P6: Bo'ness
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