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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:00 pm    Post subject: Mochrum Parish, Port William Reply with quote

UKNIWM Ref: 56997

Location: in Maxwell Park, Port William overlooking the harbour at OS Map Ref NX 339 436.









This little plaque caught my eye, at the bottom of the steps leading up to the memorial.



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A mail I got from Bill Heron (who I met in B&Q in Ayr) concerning 2 names on this memorial (one his namesake).

Name: HERON, WILLIAM JAMES
Initials: W J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Scots Guards
Unit Text: 2nd Bn.
Age: 27
Date of Death: 16/05/1915
Service No: 11933
Additional information: Son of Mrs. Margaret Heron, of High St., Port William, Wigtownshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 3 and 4.
Memorial: LE TOURET MEMORIAL

Above should be the details of William Heron who appears on the Portwilliam memorial. He was born on 20th January 1888 to James Heron and Margaret McKie, the family lived at Near Fell Cothouse, Glasserton until his father died on 13th November 1890. His mother must have taken the family to Portwilliam where she lived until her death on 19th August 1927 at High Street Portwilliam. William James although single had a daughter Jamesina Heron born 5th July 1901 but died on 17th April 1902, he was my Grandmother's 2nd cousin.

the second person I have detail of is James Black who also appears on the Portwilliam memorial. He was born on 10th February 1889 at Portwilliam to Alexander Black and Jane Heron. He was a Coachman to Sir Herbert Maxwell of Monreith before enlisting at Kingston on Thames. James was a single person and my Grandfather's step brother.

Casualty: Private JAMES BLACK, S/21503
Served with: 6th Bn. Cameron Highlanders
Died: 24th April 1917
Commemorated: ARRAS MEMORIAL
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From The Scotsman, Monday 6th September 1920

"Celtic Cross Unveiled at Port-William. The war memorial to men from Mochrum parish was unveiled at Port-William on Saturday afternoon by the Right Hon Sir H. E. Maxwell Bart. Lord Lieutenant of Wigtownshire. It is in the form of a Celtic cross and on a bronze tablet on the front are inscribed the names of the fifty-two men who were killed."

Note that the James Black listed was coachman to the man who unveiled the memorial.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This memorial was C(S) listed on 11 Nov 1994.

The listing contains the following description of the memorial:

"Circa 1919. War memorial. Sandstone. Octagonal shaft, surmounted by cross; projecting dividing band, with thistle carvings; chamfered cross, with crocket detailing; embossed sword to W face of shaft. 2-tier pedestal, set on platform. W face of lower tier inscribed "lest we forget". Upper tier, with chamfered angles; copper panel to W face inscribed "In memory of the men of Mochrum who gave their lives for King and Country 1914-1918", with names; copper panel to S face inscribed "In memory of the men of Mochrum who gave their lives for
King and Country 1939-1945", with names. "
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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The first man on this list

MAXWELL, AYMER EDWARD
Initials: A E
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Lieutenant Colonel
Regiment/Service: Royal Marines
Unit Text: Temporarily commissioned to
Secondary Regiment: Lovat Scouts
Secondary Unit Text: (late Grenadier Guards), Cdg. Collingwood Bn. R.N. Div., Captain 1st
Age: 36
Date of Death: 09/10/1914
Additional information: Son of the Rt. Hon. Sir Herbert Maxwell, 7th Bart., of Monreith, Wigtownshire, and Lady Maxwell; husband of Lady Mary Maxwell, of House of Elrig, Portwilliam, Wigtownshire. Served in the South African Campaign with Grenadier Guards.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Plot IIa, 69.
Cemetery: SCHOONSELHOF CEMETERY

Also listed on a plaque in the Crichton Chapel, Dumfries

His father unveiled the Port William War Memorial. His CWGC entry lists three units. Royal Marines, Grenadier Guards and Lovat Scouts.

Was he a Captain in the Lovat Scouts, previously having served in the Grenadier Guards and was he promoted Lieutenant Colonel in the Royal Marines when appointed Commanding Officer, Collingwood Bn. Royal Naval Divison?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:54 am    Post subject: Memorial Transcription Reply with quote

WW1

Lt.Col. Aymer Edward Maxwell
Lt. K.J. Stafford, M.C. (Military Cross)
Lt. G. Outram
Sgt. D.M. Chesney
Sgt. John Robertson
Cpl. Frank Anderson
Cpl. Robt. Hailes
L.Cpl. T.G. Chambers
Gnr. Wm. McAllister
Gnr. Hugh McCaig
Peter M. Barr, R.N.R.
Pionr. Alex Barr
Sapper Walter Barr
Tpr. H. Dixon
Tpr. Jas. Thomson
Driver Robt. Kerr
Able Seaman John Houston
Able Seaman T. McDowall
Rifleman James Gourlay
Pte. John D. Caven
Pte. Wm. Jamieson
Pte. J. McKeand
Pte. Robert Baxter
Pte. William Heron
Pte. Peter Hood
Pte. David Kelly
Pte. Jno. McCaig
Pte. William McQuaid
Pte. Robert Nicholson
Pte. David Robbins
Pte. James Black
Pte. George Brown
Pte. William Hannah
Pte. Alexr. Kevan
Pte. Alexr. Lindsay
Pte. James Lindsay
Pte. James Neill
Pte. Wm. Neill
Pte. Andw. Neill, M.M. (Military Medal)
Pte. John Maxwell
Pte. David Jamieson
Pte. John Marshall
Pte. Wm. Brown
Pte. Chas. Stewart, M.M. (Military Medal)
Pte. Chas. B. Riddock
Pte. James McNeill
Pte. Peter Milhench
Pte. Jas. Milligan
Pte. William Grier
Pte. Chas. McCaig
Pte. Thomas McGill
Pte. E. O'Neill
Pte. James Brown
Pte. Archd. Thomson
Pte. Francis Stewart
Pte. James D. Nish

WW2

P/O. Archie Lees, R.A.F.
Pte. David McNally, 5th A.&.S.H.
Pte. Robert Kevan, R.A.F.
Pte. G. McMillan Galloway, 2nd S.H.
Pte. David Stewart, 5th K.O.S.B.
Sgt. David H. MacTier, R.A.F.
Sgt. Samuel H. Potts, R.A.F.
Sgt. John M. McMaster, R.A.F.
Sgt. John McGhie, R.A.F.
Sgt. Andrew. J. Hannah, R.A.F.
Cpl. James Milhench, M.N.
Flt.Sgt. James Broil, R.A.F.
Sigmn. Robert Shorrock, R.N.R.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 2:09 am    Post subject: Peter M. Barr, Outram, Milhench & Kevan Reply with quote

I'm not sure about Peter M. Barr on this memorial, it's not clear to me what service he belongs. Is it the R.N.R. or is he a Gunner? There are few Peter Barr's on CWGC or SNWM but I can't figure him out.
Lt. G. Outram is a bit of a mystery too, he should be easily identifiable, but he isn't!?

The last WW2 casualty Robert Shorrock isn't on CWGC, he died at home in December 1942 in Port William of T.B. and pneumonia. On his D.C. he is described as a "Sea Farer" aged 51. The memorial lists him as R.N.R.

The WW1 and WW2 Milhench casualtes are likely related. The name is so rare, there's four others of the same surname. Similarly the two Kevan's of each war listed, just 8 others of the surname on CWGC.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 2:16 am    Post subject: Lt. Kenneth James Stafford Reply with quote

CWGC
Name: STAFFORD, KENNETH JAMES
Initials: K J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Lieutenant
Regiment/Service: Royal Field Artillery
Unit Text: 37th Bty. 27th Bde.
Age: 20
Date of Death: 14/11/1918
Awards: M C
Additional information: Son of the Rev. John 0. and Mrs. Stafford, of The Manse, Gretna, Dumfriesshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: S. V. K. 13.
Cemetery: ST. SEVER CEMETERY EXTENSION, ROUEN

SNWM
unlisted
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 2:27 am    Post subject: Sgt. David McMurdo Chesney M.M. Reply with quote

Chesney's Military Medal isn't listed after his name on memorial or SNWM.

CWGC
Name: CHESNEY, DAVID MCMURDO
Initials: D M
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Serjeant
Regiment/Service: Cameron Highlanders
Unit Text: "A" Coy. 5th Bn.
Age: 21
Date of Death: 25/10/1918
Service No: S/17708
Awards: M M (Military Medal)
Additional information: Son of Robert and Mary Chesney, of Challochglass, Kirkcowan, Wigtownshire. Born at Craiglarie, Mochrum.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: IV. A. 1.
Cemetery: HARLEBEKE NEW BRITISH CEMETERY

SNWM
Surname: CHESNEY
Firstname: David
Service Number: S/17708
Date Death: 25/10/1918
Place of birth: Mechram Wigtownshire (Mochrum)
Other: 5th Bn.
SNWM roll: THE QUEEN'S OWN CAMERON HIGHLANDERS
Rank: Sgt


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 2:57 am    Post subject: Robert Hailes Reply with quote

Possibly this man. The only Robert Hailes on CWGC or SNWM. But it's difficult to see his connection to Port William.

CWGC
Name: HAILES, ROBERT
Initials: R
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Royal Scots
Unit Text: "A" Coy. 16th Bn.
Age: 40
Date of Death: between 08/04/1918 and 16/04/1918
Service No: 51361
Additional information: Son of Joseph and Hannah Hailes, of Thornham Magna, Eye, Suffolk; husband of Edith Ann Hailes, of Derby House, Broad Walk, Buxton, Derbyshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 1.
Memorial: PLOEGSTEERT MEMORIAL

SNWM
Surname: HAILES
Firstname: Robert
Service Number: 51361
Date Death: 16/04/1918
Place of birth: Eye Suffolk
Other: 16th Bn. formerly 19821 Sco. Rif.
SNWM roll: THE ROYAL SCOTS (LOTHIAN REGIMENT)
Rank: Pte
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:16 pm    Post subject: Gdsn. Alexander Barr Reply with quote

CWGC
Name: BARR
Initials: A
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Scots Guards
Unit Text: 1st Bn.
Date of Death: 11/11/1914
Service No: 8539
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 11.
Memorial: YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL

SNWM
Surname: BARR
Firstname: Alexander
Service Number: 8539
Date Death: 11/11/1914
Place of birth: Mochram
SNWM roll: SCOTS GUARDS
Rank: Gdsn
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:18 pm    Post subject: Spr. Walter Barr Reply with quote

CWGC
Name: BARR
Initials: W
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Sapper
Regiment/Service: Royal Engineers
Unit Text: 234th Field Coy.
Date of Death: 21/05/1917
Service No: 146773
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Plot G. Row 3. Grave 11.
Cemetery: CALAIS SOUTHERN CEMETERY

SNWM
Surname: BARR
Firstname: Walter
Service Number: 146773
Date Death: 21/05/1917
Place of birth: Mochrum Wigtownshire
Other: 234th Field Coy.
SNWM roll: THE ROYAL ENGINEERS
Rank: Spr
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:25 pm    Post subject: Pte. James Thomson Reply with quote

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Name: THOMSON, JAMES
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Royal Scots Fusiliers
Unit Text: 2nd Bn.
Date of Death: 30/07/1916
Service No: 20961
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Pier and Face 3 C.
Memorial: THIEPVAL MEMORIAL

SNWM
Surname: THOMSON
Firstname: James
Service Number: 20961
Date Death: 30/07/1916
Place of birth: Mochrum Wigtownshire
Other: 2nd Bn.
SNWM roll: THE ROYAL SCOTS FUSILIERS
Rank: Pte
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

re Peter Barr - the RNR did indeed have gunners in WW1 so I think it quite likely that he was Gnr AND RNR. I have come across them a few times, if memory serves they served on Royal Navy trawler fleet and possibly on guns fitted to Merchant Vessels. Perhaps he was actually Merchant Navy and died of illness which would account for him not being listed in CWGC?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:38 pm    Post subject: Ab.Smn. Thomas McDowall Reply with quote

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Name: McDOWALL, THOMAS
Initials: T
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Able Seaman
Regiment/Service: Royal Navy
Unit Text: H.M.S. "P.C.61"
Age: 23
Date of Death: 04/05/1919
Service No: J/18352(Ch)
Additional information: Son of Elizabeth McDowall, of Skate, Portwilliam, Wigtownshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: In North part.
Cemetery: AUGHAVAL (HOLY TRINITY) CHURCH OF IRELAND CHURCHYARD

SNWM
Surname: McDOWALL
Firstname: Thomas
Service Number: J.18352
Date Death: 04/05/1919
Other: (M.C.S.).
SNWM roll: THE ROYAL NAVY
Rank: Able Seaman
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