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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Clunie Memorial bears the name, Pte John Irvine, Canadians.
Clunie Church Memorial Board - Driver John Irvine, 'Craigie', Canadians.

John Irvine cannot be found on the CWGC or SNWM. The Canadian Books of Remembrance have been checked post 1918 without success. No likely matches from CEF Roll of Honour.
John Irvine may have died after discharge.

He did exist. His attestation papers;
http://data4.collectionscanada.ca/netacgi/nph-brs?s1=&s2=&s3=6691&Sect4=AND&l=20&Sect1=IMAGE&Sect2=THESOFF&Sect5=CEF6PEN&Sect6=HITOFF&d=CEF6&p=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.collectionscanada.ca%2Farchivianet%2F02010602_e.html&r=0&f=S
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WW2

Surname LITTLE
Firstname Alexander
Service number 1365959
Date of death 03/01/1943
Decoration
Place of birth Lanark
Other
SNWM roll ROYAL AIR FORCE and DOMINION AIR FORCES
Rank Sgt
Theatre of death R.A.F.V.R. B.C.

Name: LITTLE, ALEXANDER
Initials: A
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Sergeant (Pilot)
Regiment: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Age: 25
Date of Death: 03/01/1943
Service No: 1365959
Additional information: Son of William and Nellie Little, of Clunie. B.Sc. Agriculture (Edin.).
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Cemetery: CLUNIE CHURCHYARD


BLAIRGOWRIE ADVERTISER: 08.01.43
Mr and Mrs William Little, Craigie, Clunie, have received the sad intimation that their youngest son, Sergeant-Pilot Alexander Little, R.A.F. has been killed on active service. He was 25 years of age.
Sergt.-Pilot Little was educated at Clunie School, Blairgowrie High School and Edinburgh University.
A smart intelligent boy, he took high places in his classes at the High School, and gained the full,Higher Leaving Certificate in 1936.
He took a prominent part in the High School sports activities. Of splendid physique, he was a member of the football team, and was a successful competitor in the annual sports, being runner-up for the boys’ championship in 1933 and 1934. Oustanding at the high jump, he was a fine runner, while he had natural aptitude for putting the weight and other “heavy” athletics, at which he was a very promising enthusiast.
He was one of theHigh School senior team which competed in the sports contests taken part in by the secondary schools in the county.
Sergt.-Pilot Little graduated B.Sc. In Agriculture at Edinburgh University in the summer of 1940, when it was announced he had been awarded the Stevens Scholarship in Agriculture.
In March 1941, it was reported in our columns that Sergt.-Pilot Little had been commended by the King for bravery at a farm where he was working, while he was temporarily in the service of the Department of Agriculture. Intimation of the commendation was made in the following letter from the Air Ministry, dated 27th February:- “I am commanded by the Air Council to inform you that His majesty the King has been graciously pleased to approve the award to you of a commendation, in recognition of you brave conduct in rescuing the pilot of a Royal Air Force aircraft which crashed on July 20th, 1940.“The Air Council wish me to convey to you their warm congratulations on this mark of His Majesty’s pleasure. “The award will be announced in a supplement of the London Gazette to be published on the evening of February 28th, 1941.”
Sergt.-Pilot joined the R.A.F. in tha autumn of 1940 and had a large part of his training in America. He got his “wings” in the summer of 1941, and had many thrilling experiences in the course of his active service.
While in the United States he had the pleasure of meeting his eldest brother, William, whom he had not seen since he was about three years of age. William went to America as a young lad.
To his parents and other relatives the sincere sympathy of all who knew Sergt.-Pilot Little, including his former teachers and fellow pupils of the High School, will go out.


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Surname BARCLAY
Firstname Hugh
Service number 2696058
Date of death 17/02/1944
Decoration
Place of birth Perthshire
Other
SNWM roll SCOTS GUARDS
Rank L/Cpl
Theatre of death Italy

Name: BARCLAY, HUGH
Initials: H
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Lance Corporal
Regiment: Scots Guards
Unit Text: 1st Bn.
Age: 25
Date of Death: 17/02/1944
Service No: 2696058
Additional information: Son of Hugh and Annie Barclay, of Forneth, Perthshire; husband of Margaret Anne Barclay, of Middlesbrough, Yorkshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: III, O, 3.
Cemetery: ANZIO WAR CEMETERY

BLAIRGOWRIE ADVERTISER: 24.03.44
Intimation has been received by Mrs H. Barclay, The Warroch, Milnathort, that her husband, Cpl. Hugh Barclay, Scots Guards, has been killed in action in the Central Mediterranean.
He was the only son of Mr and Mrs Hugh Barclay, Denhead, St. Andrews (whose home for over 25 years was at Mill of Forneth).
Cpl. Barclay, who was 25, was Dux of Clunie School, and was employed by Mr R. Constable, Rosemount Farm, Blairgowrie before joining the Army at the age of 19. In a letter from his officer, Mrs Barclay learned that her husband was killed by a shell burst in the same week he was to be promoted sergeant.
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BLAIRGOWRIE ADVERTISER: 15.01.1921

CLUNIE WAR MEMORIAL

In spite of drizzling rain a large gathering of parishioners was present at the unveiling of Clunie Parish War Memorial on Saturday afternoon. Erected on 'The Knock', a hillock overlooking the west end of Clunie Loch, the memorial is in the form of an impressive cairn, 18 feet high, with a 10 feet square base, and built entirely of large local boulders. On a brass plate, affixed to the south face of the cairn, is the names of the nine Clunie men who fell in the Great War:-

CHARLES CLARK, WEST LODGE, FORNETH - 2ND LIEUT, LONDON REGT.; GEORGE CUTHBERT, CRAIGIE - GUNNER, R.F.A.; ALEXANDER GARROW, WESTER LOGIE - PRIVATE, GORDONS; JOHN IRVINE, CRAIGIE - PRIVATE, CANADIANS; ANGUS MACGREGOR, CRAIGTON COTTAGE - PRIVATE, M.G.C.; WILLIAM PATERSON, CRAIGIE - PRIVATE, R.A.S.C.; GEORGE M. Y. SMITH, LOGIEBRAE, PRIVATE, CANADIANS; DAVID WHITEHEAD, D.C.M., TULLYNEDDIE COTTAGE - CORPL., CANADIANS; ALEX. AYTOUN YOUNG, CLUNIE MANSE - 2ND LIEUT., ROYAL HIGHLANDERS.

Commanded by Mr W. H. Cox of Snaigow, and preceded by Piper Duthie, Dunkeld, a contingent of local ex-servicemen marched from the Public hall and took up a position in front of the memorial. The devotional part of the proceedings included the singing of Psalm cxxv., and prayer by Re. A. Aytoun Young, Clunie parish Church. The names of the fallen having been read by Mr W. H. Cox, ‘The Flowers of the Forest’ was played by Piper Duthie.
The Union jack covering the inscription plate was then drawn aside by Mrs W. H. Cox, who said:- “I now have the great honour of unveiling this cairn, which has been erected in memory of our men who gave their earthly lives for us. Of them I think we might say with St. Paul ‘and of whom the world is not worthy’. May we each one see to it that it becomes more worthy for them”.
Mr James Speid of Forneth said he thought it would be agreed that Clunie parish had done its fair share in the war. When the young men went out to the fighting fronts the men left behind on the land worked till the end of the war at the highest pressure, and the women of the parish, old and young, joined work parties, and sent out articles of warm clothing and comforts to the men in the trenches. When the soldiers came home from the war - and they were glad that so many had safely returned - they were welcomed at a social entertainment, which was much appreciated by the men. When War memorials were spoken about throughout the country, the parish was not behind in doing its share. A representative committee was appointed, with Mr W. H. Cox as chairman, and they had successfully steered the movement through. Speaking of memorials generally, Mr Speid said that of the many erected throughout the country perhaps the most important was the cenotaph in London. It received much attention from the fact of its simplicity, and it expressed the national tribute to the fallen, irrespective of any particular district. It symbolised the nation’s attitude and gratitude to the men who went out and fought, even unto death, for the love of their country. There were many other kinds of memorials - soldiers’ and sailors’, rest homes, monoliths, pilasters (like the one at Blairgowrie), Iona Crosses &c., but, taking them all together, they all expressed the great ideals of sacrifice, right over might, and liberty, justice, and freedom as against tyranny, oppression and Prussian brutality. Their own memorial - with no elaborate tracery or sculpture to divert one’s thought from its purpose of commemorating the fallen - was a rough-cast cairn, which, in its strength and simplicity, Mr Speid thought was very suitable for the rugged hills of Scotland. Proceeding he said he had been much disappointed, in all that had been said about the war, that not half enough had been said or written about the bravery of our Scottish troops and what they did in the war. A Canadian had written a book about the daring deeds and the great courage displayed by the Canadians, and he would like to see a Scotsman write a book dealing with the courageous deeds of the Scottish soldiers. At the beginning of the war, Germany always spoke about “England”, but Mr Speid thought that now, after having had considerable dealings with Scotsmen, they would not forget there is a country called Scotland. He quoted a generous tribute by Marshall Foch to the bravery of the British troops in the great battles in France, and pointed out that Scotland got its proper place at the head of the Marshall’s list of British combatants. Concluding, Mr Speid said:- “If the soldiers who have fallen thought it was worth their while to make the sacrifice of their lives, surely it is worthwhile for us to do our best to retain the heritage which they have won for us, and that can only be done by our all pulling together - not the strong pushing aside the weak, or adopting what Lord Grey of Falloden called a ‘beggar-my-neighbour police’. By all pulling together, and each man doing his own work and helping his neighbours when they need it, I thin k it is pretty well understood we shall be able to retain the heritage of our great nation, and hand it down to our own posterity a greater Empire than it was.
‘The Last Post’ was then sounded by Mr Harry Ogilvie, Blairgowrie, and the ex-servicemen saluted the memorial as they marched back to the hall. Beautiful wreaths were placed at the foot of the cairn by Mrs Cox, Mrs Speid, and the War memorial Committee.
The members of the committee were: Messrs W. H. Cox, James Speid, R. Garvie, Hillocks of Gourdie; W. G. M’Gilchrist, Easter Tullyneddie; P. Robertson, East Lodge, Forneth; John Young, Concraigie; D. MacDonald, jun., Craigend; D. Rodger, Hillocks; and G. M’Ritchie, Riechip, (secretary).
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Scotsman - Thursday, 13th January 1921, page 5

    WAR MEMORIALS

    CLUNIE (Perthshire). - A cairn of large local boulders, 18 feet high and 10 feet square at the base, erected on the Knock, overlooking the Clunie Loch and Castle, was unveiled by Mrs W. H. Cox of Snaigow. An address was given by Mr James Speid of Forneth.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dhubthaigh wrote:
It is a prominent site and when unveiled would be visible to much of the parish but trees have grown all around and hidden it from view.


A shame but not unique. Is wildlife habitat more important than commemoration? No, probably but leaving things to grow is certainly cheaper than ground maintenance.

Great to see photographs of the plaques.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dhubthaigh wrote:
The Clunie Memorial bears the name, Pte John Irvine, Canadians.
Clunie Church Memorial Board - Driver John Irvine, 'Craigie', Canadians.

John Irvine cannot be found on the CWGC or SNWM. The Canadian Books of Remembrance have been checked post 1918 without success. No likely matches from CEF Roll of Honour.
John Irvine may have died after discharge.

He did exist. His attestation papers;
http://data4.collectionscanada.ca/netacgi/nph-brs?s1=&s2=&s3=6691&Sect4=AND&l=20&Sect1=IMAGE&Sect2=THESOFF&Sect5=CEF6PEN&Sect6=HITOFF&d=CEF6&p=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.collectionscanada.ca%2Farchivianet%2F02010602_e.html&r=0&f=S


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On the Canadian Great War Project Pte. John Irvine (6691) 5th CIF is shown as appearing on the June 1915 CEF Casualty List but there is no date of death.
http://www.canadiangreatwarproject.com/searches/soldierDetail.asp?ID=106464
I think only his complete service file will resolve this.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ken,

Thanks for that. Some time ago I had research carried out on a number of Perthshire Canadians. So much info, so much to remember!


Irvine, John, No. 6691, 1st Battalion, Canadian Expeditionary Force

Born 23 June 1881 in Glasgow, Scotland. Father John Irvine residing in Craigie, Blairgowrie, Scotland. He had served 7 years with the King’s Own Scottish prior to immigrating to Canada before 1914. Was a teamster by trade. Enlisted on 17 September 1914 in Valcartier, Québec with the 1st Battalion. Was residing in Windsor, Ontario at the time of his enlistment. Sailed for England on the 4th of October 1914 on board the SS Laurentic. Once there, the battalion trained for several months on Salisbury Plains and arrived in France in mid-February 1915. Was wounded in action on or about the 5th of May 1915, probably around the Ypres Salient. Was later found medically unfit for further active service and returned to Canada in November 1915. John Irvine was discharged on the 31st of May 1916 in London, Ontario, having been found medically unfit for further service. He died in October 1916.

Source: Library and Archives Canada, Ottawa, Ontario, RG150 1992-93/166 Volume 4711, WW1 Service File 6691 Pte John Irvine.
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"So much info, so much to remember! "

Been there; done that; got the er.....thingy Confused

Just a random thought - is there a Canadian "In From The Cold"?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kenneth Morrison wrote:


Just a random thought - is there a Canadian "In From The Cold"?


I think that would be a strong possibility. However, from my brief look at Canadian genealogy over time it is very difficult to obtain death certificates etc.
Does Canada have a similar project to IFTC

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