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apanderson
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Helen,

Welcome to the Forum.

All three 'McDowalls' are listed on Family Gravestones in 'The Joint Section of New Monkland Cemetery in Glenmavis although Thomas's surname is spelt McDOWELL, whereas John and Mathew's surname is spelt McDOWALL

I don't know whether you're aware of our 'sister' site - the Scottish War Graves Project? There are photos os the stones already posted on that site. This link: http://scottishwargraves.phpbbweb.com/viewtopic.php?t=217&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=150&mforum=scottishwargraves should take you directly to the page showing the photos. If the link doesn't work, try: http://scottishwargraves.phpbbweb.com/index.php?mforum=scottishwargraves then on the Lanarkshire Board, you'll find New Monkland Cemetery and the photos are on page 11 of the thread

John McDowall and Matthew McDowall were the sons of David & Agnes Harvie McDowall (nee Todd)

Thomas Orr McDowell was the son of George and Helen McDowell.

Could you confirm that these are the same men as mentioned on Airdrie War Memorial, and if so, is the spelling of Thomas's surname incorrect?

Also, obviously John and Matthew were brothers, but what relationship was Thomas to them (cousin possibly)?

It's not the first time we've discovered variants in spelling both on memorials and gravestones, although I tend to go with the spelling on the stones.

You can drive right round New Monkland so your husband might want to go and visit the family graves as visiting the memorial isn't very handy. If you'd like high resolution copies of the photos of each of the stones (to help in finding them), please don't hesitate to get in touch with me through a Private Message, give me details of your personal e-mail and I'll forward copies. There is a small office just inside the main gates in Condorrat Road and usually there are groundsmen around who, if shown the photos, would probably be quite happy to guide you to each of the stones.

Anne
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

H Anne, Sorry for the delay in getting back to you, I wanted first to speak to my husbands elderly aunt.

There were three McDowall brothers killed in ww1 but one was married and living in Ayrshire, his memorial stone is with his wife and child in Ayrshire, the aunt says Agnes the mother of the boys always said her sons would always be together and this is what led people to believe that it was the three brothers on the memorial.

Now to Matthew I have never quite figuered that one out, after a long time searching I found a death for him Dunoon 1919 he was found dead on Alexandra parade Dunoon and the cause of death was natural causes possibly heart giving out occupation was given as blacksmith and usual address was Woodend Cottage Airdrie, I just dont know what to make of it could he have been in a hospital any help would be appreciated.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Name: CUPPLES, JOHN MUNRO
Initials: J M
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Highland Light Infantry
Unit Text: 10th/11th Bn.
Secondary Unit Text: attd. 46th T.M. Bty.
Age: 26
Date of Death: 06/03/1918
Service No: 17189
Awards: M M
Additional information: Son of Mrs. Jessie Cupples, of 19, Quarry Rd., Airdrie.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: VII. A. 31.
Cemetery: FAUBOURG D'AMIENS CEMETERY, ARRAS
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 3:20 pm    Post subject: Gunner John Stewart R.A. Reply with quote

Name: STEWART, JOHN
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Gunner
Regiment/Service: Royal Artillery
Unit Text: 152 (The Ayrshire Yeomanry) Field Regt.
Age: 21
Date of Death: 08/04/1943
Service No: 1118412
Additional information: Son of John and M. P. Stewart, of Airdrie, Lanarkshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Face 8.
Memorial: MEDJEZ-EL-BAB MEMORIAL

John Stewart



Name: STEWART, WILLIAM
Initials: W
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Sergeant (Nav.)
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Age: 21
Date of Death: 16/12/1942
Service No: 1346251
Additional information: Son of William Rae Stewart and Helen Wilson Stewart, of Airdrie.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Sec. A. C. Grave 346.
Cemetery: NEW MONKLAND CEMETERY


and
Private HELEN MCGARRY HOGG
W/320857
Auxiliary Territorial Service
Died 24 September 1945
Aged 18
Daughter of David Leslie and Margaret Hogg, of Hinckley
Buried in Hinckley Cemetery

SNWM:
Surname: HOGG
Firstname: Helen McG
Service number: 320857
Date of death: 24/09/1945
Place of birth: Airdrie
SNWM roll: WOMEN'S SERVICES
Rank: Pte
Theatre of death: United Kingdom


The above three on the Airdrie memorial are all close relations to a cousin of mine, but not my relation, a different line Confused

The family have many letters from John Stewart who was in North Africa til his death. William and John were cousins.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MARTIN, JAS. A. is also listed on the Urr War Memorial, Dumfries and Galloway.

James Adam Martin, after study at Glasgow University, was admitted as a law agent in 1903 and was a procurator, managing clerk and, from 1913, a partner in the solicitors Messrs. Motherwell, McMurdo & Mitchell of Airdrie. A member of Airdrie Golf and Bowling Clubs. He enlisted in September 1914 as a Private in the Glasgow Highlanders (9th HLI) and in April 1915 was commissioned in the 6th Battalion before the battalion was transported to Egypt. He left Egypt for Gallipoli on 28 June and within days of arriving was killed in the action of 12 July 1915.
Born 1881 on the family farm of The Fell, Crocketford in the parish of Urr, he was unmarried.

Name: MARTIN, JAMES ADAM
Rank: Second Lieutenant
Regiment: Highland Light Infantry
Unit text: 6th Bn
Age: 34
Date of Death: 12 July 1915
Add. Info: Son of John and Eliza Martin of The Fell, Crocketford, Dumfries.
Memorial: Helles Memorial, Panel 173 to 177
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apparently there has been an refurbishment of this memorial as well as a new name panel for recipients of the Elizabeth Cross. Two names have been added.

So next time anyone's passing try to get a photo or two please.

(page 6)
http://www.northlanarkshire.gov.uk/CHttpHandler.ashx?id=4244&p=0

Cheers,
Derek.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:57 pm    Post subject: Airdrie Memorial Architect Reply with quote

John Maurice Arthur was the architect who won the competition held to design the memorial in 1922, it was in conjunction with his fathers firm George Arthur & son.
He was an Airdrie man who lived and died in the town.

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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 5:51 pm    Post subject: John Houston Reply with quote

Listed on this memorial as well as in the Airdrie Academy Memorial booklet is John Houston.

He is not on CWGC or SNWM for whatever reason and he was't in the armed forces when he died during the war of Pulmonary T.B. having suffered from it for 2 years.
However he must have served at some point and been considered a casualty of war by his friends and community to remember him on these memorials.

Jim Grant assures me as he is a WW2 era possible "non-comm" it would be difficult to make a case for him to the M.O.D. due to the access required for the necessary records, these will only be available to the next of kin/family.



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Name: CHERRIE, BENJAMIN
Initials: B
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Seaforth Highlanders
Unit Text: 7th Bn.
Age: 35
Date of Death: 14/07/1916
Service No: S/7743
Additional information: Son of the late Benjamin and Mary Cherrie.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Pier and Face 15 C.
Memorial: THIEPVAL MEMORIAL

Surname CHERRIE
Firstname Benjamin
Service Number S/7743
Date Death 14/07/1916
Place of birth Old Monkland Lanarkshire
Other 7th Bn.
SNWM roll THE SEAFORTH HIGHLANDERS
Rank Pte
Theatre of death F.& F.

Benjamin Cherrie's elder brother Joseph Cherrie enlisted in the Army Service Corps (TS/023742), 224 Co., 39th Divisional Train(ing?) on 9th November 1914 and was discharged on 7th May 1915 due to suffering from 'movable cartilage of knee'.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MULRANEY, Patrick Private 18095 1st Bn Royal Dublin Fusiliers
Born: Old Monkland, Lanarkshire Resided: Airdrie, Lanarkshire Enlisted: Hamilton, Lanarkshire.
Date of Death: 28/06/1915 Cause: Died of wounds (Sustained Gallipoli).
Other notes: Private Mulraney’s Medal Index Card shows him as entering the Gallipoli Theatre of Operations on 19/5/1915.
Grave/Memorial: Panel 190 to 196. Helles Memorial.
Other Memorials: Private Mulraney named in the Scottish Roll of Honour in the Scottish National War Memorial, Edinburgh Castle, Edinburgh; he is also commemorated on the Airdrie War Memorial, Airdrie, North Lanarkshire.
IWM Records Page No: Volume VI, Page 245.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:27 am    Post subject: Ft. Lt. Alan Henderson Aitken Reply with quote

WW2
Aitken, Alan H.

(Glasgow Herald 2nd October 1945)
"Previously reported missing, now known to have lost his life on 23rd March 1945, on air operations over Holland, Flight Lieutenant Alan Henderson Aitken (pilot R.A.F.) youngest son of John Aitken, Fruitfield House, Airdrie."

CWGC
Name: AITKEN, ALAN HENDERSON
Initials: A H
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Flight Lieutenant (Pilot)
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Unit Text: 161 Sqdn.
Date of Death: 23/03/1945
Service No: 175821
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Plot E. Row 4. Grave 5.
Cemetery: HARLINGEN GENERAL CEMETERY

SNWM
Surname: AITKEN
Firstname: Alan Henderson
Service number: 175821
Date of death: 23/03/1945
Place of birth: Airdrie
SNWM roll: ROYAL AIR FORCE and DOMINION AIR FORCES
Rank: Flt Lt


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This soldier is named on this memorial, although he is not named (that I can trace) in the SNWM.

O'BRIEN, Patrick Private 17971 1st Bn Royal Dublin Fusiliers
Born: Barony, Lanarkshire Resided: Airdrie, Lanarkshire Enlisted: Coatbridge, Lanarkshire.
Date of Death: 07/08/1915 Cause: Killed in action.
Other notes: Private O’Brien’s Medal Index card shows him as entering the Gallipoli Theatre of Operations on 21/7/1915. His Index Card is annotated with the following comment “O i/c Records Dublin, requests authy re disposal of medals 5/1/22.”
Grave/Memorial: Panel 190 to 196. Helles Memorial.
Other Memorials: Private O’Brien is commemorated on, the Airdrie War Memorial, Centenary Avenue, Airdrie, North Lanarkshire.
IWM Records Page No: Volume VI, Page 360.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:29 pm    Post subject: Sgt. John Meldrum Currie Reply with quote

WW1
Currie, John M.

(Glasgow Herald 22 Dec 1914)
"Mrs Currie, Mill Stree, Airdrie, whose son, Sergeant John M. Currie, of the H.L.I., was reported missing, yesterday received word through a fellow Sergeant in the same battalion to the effect that it was thought to be her son who had died of wounds and been buried on the field of battle."

CWGC
CURRIE, JOHN MELDRUM
Rank: Serjeant
Service No: 11109
Date of Death: 12/11/1914
Age: 22
Regiment/Service: Highland Light Infantry 2nd Bn.
Grave Reference: IV. O. 4.
Cemetery: RAILWAY DUGOUTS BURIAL GROUND
Additional Information: Son of Mr. and Mrs. J. Currie, of 19, Mill St., Airdrie.

SNWM
Surname: CURRIE
Firstname: John
Service Number: 11109
Date Death: 12/11/1914
Place of birth: Bothwell Lanarkshire
Other: 2nd Bn.
SNWM roll: THE HIGHLAND LIGHT INFANTRY
Rank: Sgt
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GEORGE RODDICK was working in a Drapers business in Airdire when he enlisted.
He is also listed on the Maxwelltown/Troqueer War Memorial.


RODDICK, GEORGE
Rank:Private
Service No:S/4293
Date of Death:24/03/1916
Age:22
Regiment/Service:Black Watch (Royal Highlanders)
9th Bn.
Grave ReferenceV. B. 82.
CemeteryBETHUNE TOWN CEMETERY
Additional Information:
Son of Mrs. J. Roddick, of 56, Glasgow St., Maxwelltown, Dumfries, and the late John Roddick.

Surname RODDICK
Firstname George
Service Number S/4293
Date Death 24/03/1916
Decoration
Place of birth Maxwelltown Dumfriesshire
Other 9th Bn.
SNWM roll THE BLACK WATCH (ROYAL HIGHLANDERS)
Rank Pte
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:38 pm    Post subject: Pte. Samuel Henderon Stallard Reply with quote

WW1
Stallard, Sam.

(Glasgow Herald 11th March 1915)
"Intimation has been received from the Military authorities that Private Samuel H. Stallard, 2nd Battalion Queen's Own Cameron highlanders, has been found dead in the trenches at the front. The cause of death is stated to be exposure. Private Stallard, who belonged to Coatdyke, Airdrie, was one of the draft of Highlanders brought from India at the end of last year."

CWGC
STALLARD, SAMUEL HENDERSON
Rank: Private
Service No: 8098
Date of Death: 11/01/1915
Regiment/Service: Cameron Highlanders 2nd Bn.
Panel Reference: Panel 38 and 40.
Memorial: YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL

SNWM
Surname: STALLARD
Firstname: Samuel Henderson
Service Number: 8098
Date Death: 11/01/1915
Place of birth: New Monkland Lanarkshire
Other: 2nd Bn.
SNWM roll: THE QUEEN'S OWN CAMERON HIGHLANDERS
Rank: Pte
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