The Scottish Military Research Group - Commemorations Project (Registered Scottish Charity No. SC043826). Please visit our homepage at www.scottishmilitaryresearch.co.uk    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Cumbernauld Goto page 1, 2  Next          The Scottish Military Research Group - Commemorations Project Forum Index -> Lanarkshire - Civic Memorials View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message David McNay Administrator Joined: 14 Dec 2006 Posts: 11423 Location: Lanarkshire, Scotland Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:14 pm    Post subject: Cumbernauld This memorial is in the form of a celtic cross, with the names on panels on a wall to the side of it. Rather unusual, I haven't seen one like this before. IMG_0455 by Scottish Military Research Group, on Flickr IMG_0456 by Scottish Military Research Group, on Flickr IMG_0457 by Scottish Military Research Group, on Flickr The two Great War panels. It might be because I have the flu right now, but I just cannot work out the ordering of these names: IMG_0458 by Scottish Military Research Group, on Flickr IMG_0461 by Scottish Military Research Group, on Flickr The Second World War panels are in alphabetical order: IMG_0459 by Scottish Military Research Group, on Flickr IMG_0460 by Scottish Military Research Group, on Flickr Last edited by David McNay on Sun Jul 02, 2017 12:17 am; edited 1 time in total Back to top AB64 Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 33 Location: Wishaw Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:12 am    Post subject: David, I hope you dont mind, I have posted a couple of the pics on another forum as someone had been asking about F/Sgt Godley on behalf of his Widow, The following information was added with regards to his death "663 Heavy Conversion Unit Halifax V DG404 OO-A F/O J S Barber - injured Sgt W D Hall - injured Sgt T H Woollard - killed Sgt T Reid - Killed Sgt J Godley - Killed P/O A J Walker - Injured Sgt D H Batten (RAAF) - Injured T/O Rufforth for a night-crosss-country flight. Hit bad weather conditions and at about 0200 the Halifax made a wheels down forced landing on the Eastern side of Heathfield Moor, approx 2 miles NW Pately Bridge. With injuries, Sgt Hall summoned help and they were taken to Highfield Farm. At least one died before the Ambulance arrived. Sgt Woollard is buried in Harrogate Cemetery, Sgt Reid and Godley were taken to Glasgow (Eastwood) and Cumbernauld Cemetery respectively. Within fifteen months the 4 survivors had been killed in action. " Also this link http://www.peakdistrictaircrashes.co.uk/awaydg404.htm Its a sad postscit about the survivors. Alistair Back to top jamiemcginlay Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 930 Location: Glasgow Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 10:21 pm    Post subject: WWI ROLL OF HONOUR: Anderson Thomas Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders Private Arthur Dumbreck Seaforth Highlanders Private Blair Robert Canadian Expiditionary Force Private Bremner Henry Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders Private Brodie Blair Cameron Highlanders Lance Corporal Brown David C. Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders Private Connolly Andrew Royal Navy Diver Driver ? Private Convery Joseph Royal Horse Artillery A/Bombadier Military Medal Dent Joseph Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders Colour Sergeant Major Dobbie James Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders Private Earsman James Royal Scots Private Ferguson Andrew Royal Highlanders Private Ferguson Michael G. Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders Private Findlay Alexander Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders Private Fraser James M. C. Ex. F. Lance Corporal Frater Thomas Royal Field Artillery Gunner Gillies William A. Ex. F. Private Gordon Frank Gordon Highlanders Sergeant Gordon James Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders Private Graham Adam Cameron Highlanders Lance Corporal Graham George Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders Private Grier James Royal Highlanders Private Hay John Royal Field Artillery Sergeant Henderson James S. Royal Garrison Artillery Second Lieutenant Hunter David Royal Field Artillery Gunner Keir George Scottish Rifles Private Killiard Patrick Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders Private Lagan James Royal Navy Diver Driver ? A.B. Lauder Thomas Royal Field Artillery Driver Leiper John Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders Private Leiper Robert Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders Private Livingstone David Cameron Highlanders Private MacAbe John Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders Private MacKenzie Donald Seaforth Highlanders Private Mann Robert Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders Lance Corporal McGuire Frank Highland Light Infantry Private McIlroy Thomas Royal Air Force Second Lieutenant McPhee Duncan C. Ex. F. Private Mills Thomas Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders Private Morrison James Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders Private Murray William Middlesex Regiment ? Corporal Oliphant John Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders Private Orr Robert Royal Highlanders Private Patrick John Cameron Highlanders Private Peebles James Scots Guards Private Penny David Royal Dublin Fusiliers Private Prentice John Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders Private Preston William Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders Private Quinn Michael Irish Guards Private Rutherfurd Andrew Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders Private Smith Andrew G. Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders Corporal Smith John Scottish Rifles Private Stewart Daniel Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders Private Taylor James Scots Guards Corporal Thomson Adam T. Cameron Highlanders Lance Corporal Towers Walter A. Ex. F. Private Walker James C. Ex. F. Private Walker James Machine Gun Corps Private Ward William T. C. Ex. F. Private Whyte George Gordon Highlanders Private Wilson William J. Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers Sergeant WWII ROLL OF HONOUR: Ballantine A.A. Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve Flight Lieutenant Black Matthew Reconnaissance Corps Lance Corporal Bryson James Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders Private Climie D. INNS OF COURTR. Trooper Corroon James Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders Private Davenport D. Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders Private Gemmell John Kings Own Scottish Borderers Private Godley John Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve Flight Sergeant Hughes John Wiltshires 5th Private Johnson James Royal Artillery Gunner Kirkwood Alexander Merchant Navy C.R.O. C.R.D. McInnes William Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders Sergeant McKenzie James Royal Army Service Corps Driver Minnock Daniel T. Black Watch 7th Private Murphy J. Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders Commandos Private Reid John V.R.A. D.C.B. V.R.A. D.G.B. Flight Lieutenant Robertson G. Royal Marine Commandos Corporal Scott A. Burmah Rifles Captain Shearer John B. Royal Army Service Corps Private Stark James Royal Artillery Sergeant Major Taylor Henry M.P.IND.CM. M.P.IND.CH. Lance Corporal Thornton Robert Royal Engineers Sapper Whyte John Royal Artillery Driver Wilson James R. Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders Private Back to top Adam Brown Curator Joined: 14 Dec 2006 Posts: 7312 Location: Edinburgh (From Sutherland) Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:53 pm    Post subject: Jim R.N.Dv would be Royal Navy Division. Sailors who fought on the Western Front. Mdx R will be Middlesex Regt CRO, rather than CRD, will be Chief Radio Officer M.P Ind is probably Corps of Military Police India. I don't know CM is though From CWGC Name: TAYLOR, HENRY Initials: H Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Lance Corporal Regiment/Service: Corps of Military Police Age: 19 Date of Death: 19/04/1946 Service No: 14037963 Additional information: Son of John and Emily Maud Taylor, of Cumbernauld, Dunbartonshire. Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: 3. B. 1. Cemetery: RANCHI WAR CEMETERY V.R.A. D.C.B. and has me stumped for now but I will investigate further. V.R. might be Volunteer Reserve as in RAFVR Back to top David McNay Administrator Joined: 14 Dec 2006 Posts: 11423 Location: Lanarkshire, Scotland Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 8:36 pm    Post subject: Adam Brown wrote: V.R.A. D.C.B. and has me stumped for now but I will investigate further. V.R. might be Volunteer Reserve as in RAFVR It is indeed Volunteer Reserve, but the rest of it is a mystery to me. Here's his CWGC entry: Name: REID, JOHN Initials: J Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Flight Lieutenant (Pilot) Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve Unit Text: 605 Sqdn. Age: 23 Date of Death: 26/06/1944 Service No: 128102 Awards: D F M Additional information: Son of John and Lexie Reid; husband of Lilian Joan Reid (nee Cope), of Hemel Hempstead. Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: Sec. J. Uncons. Grave 30. Cemetery: HEMEL HEMPSTEAD (HEATH LANE) CEMETERY SNWM gives birthplace as Glasgow. Back to top milmor_1 Joined: 03 Jun 2009 Posts: 118 Location: Ireland Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:01 pm    Post subject: The following soldier is named on the War Memorial, Name: PENNY, DAVID Initials: D Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Private Regiment/Service: Royal Dublin Fusiliers Unit Text: 7th Bn. Age: 37 Date of Death: 16/08/1915 Service No: 12870 Additional information: Son of Francis Penny and Marion Shaw Penny, of Clifford Bank, Cumbernauld, Dumbartonshire. Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 190 to 196. Memorial: HELLES MEMORIAL Would it be possible to let me know where this memorial is located and also, is it Dunbartonshire or Dumbartonshire (so I can keep my records straight) please. Regards Mal Back to top apanderson Administrator Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Posts: 2571 Location: Stirlingshire Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:42 pm    Post subject: Hi Mal, The Memorials are actually in Cumbernauld Village (NS765760). If you go to one of the mapping sites, and look for Baronhill (one end of Main Street), then look for the junction between that and Glasgow Road, choose 'Aerial View', you'll see an oval shaped wall. Zoom into that then choose 'Bird's Eye View', you can ususually rotate the image to get the best view. DuNbarton shire is the county, DuMbarton is the town. Cumbernauld is sometimes referred to as being in East Dunbartonshire, but also North Lanarkshire - don't know which is correct! Anne Back to top milmor_1 Joined: 03 Jun 2009 Posts: 118 Location: Ireland Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:11 pm    Post subject: Many thanks for your assistance Anne Best regards Mal Back to top Adam Brown Curator Joined: 14 Dec 2006 Posts: 7312 Location: Edinburgh (From Sutherland) Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:32 pm    Post subject: apanderson wrote: Cumbernauld is sometimes referred to as being in East Dunbartonshire, but also North Lanarkshire - don't know which is correct! Top tip. Look on the internet for the local primary school and you'll find which local authority a community is in. In this case Cumbernauld is currently in North Lanarkshire. Ninety years ago it was in Dunbartonshire. In 1975 Dunbartonshire became part of Strathclyde Region and smaller sub-divisions were created. Cumbernauld was in Cumbernauld and Kilsyth District Council up until 1994. (Kilsyth had been in Stirlingshire!) With the break up of Strathclyde in 1994 instead of putting Cumbernauld and Kilsyth in either of their historic areas of East Dunbartonshire or Stirlingshire it was attached to North Lanarkshire. Thanks Adam Back to top milmor_1 Joined: 03 Jun 2009 Posts: 118 Location: Ireland Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:40 pm    Post subject: Thanks Adam Thats a great tip Best Regards Mal Back to top DelBoy Joined: 12 Jul 2007 Posts: 4858 Location: The County of Angus Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:49 am    Post subject: Looking at this old postcard image I think the name panel wall is a much later addition. There seems to have been a metal fence around the boundary of the site once upon a time as well. Derek. Back to top David McNay Administrator Joined: 14 Dec 2006 Posts: 11423 Location: Lanarkshire, Scotland Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 6:20 am    Post subject: The name panels are off to the side, so they may have been there at the tome of that photograph, just not in shot. Back to top dhubthaigh Our first ever 1000-poster Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 5070 Location: Blairgowrie, Perthshire Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 8:21 am    Post subject: That is a beautiful Celtic Cross. I'm with Derek on this one. The wall containing the names looks 'new' and is built upon the edging blocks which weren't in the original picture. Unveiling report would be very interesting. Back to top apanderson Administrator Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Posts: 2571 Location: Stirlingshire Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:58 pm    Post subject: I don't think it's in it's original position. I think it might have been located inside the cemetery. The old postcard shows a slight hill behind it, but where it now sits, it is the highest point (by far) in the surrounding area. On the War Graves Project there are 2 stones 'against' the railings which look remarkably like the ones in the old photo. See: http://scottishwargraves.phpbbweb.com/viewtopic.php?t=249&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15&mforum=scottishwargraves (Bryson, page 1 and Climie, page 2) The cemetery (in theory) is behind where the memorials (in amomgst the trees in the background) but is not but not visible from any of the photos. The entrance to it is no more than 50 yards further along Baronhill on the same side of the road. Anne Back to top apanderson Administrator Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Posts: 2571 Location: Stirlingshire Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:07 pm    Post subject: Aerial View .... 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