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David McNay
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:14 pm    Post subject: Cumbernauld Reply with quote

This memorial is in the form of a celtic cross, with the names on panels on a wall to the side of it. Rather unusual, I haven't seen one like this before.
IMG_0455 by Scottish Military Research Group, on Flickr

IMG_0456 by Scottish Military Research Group, on Flickr

IMG_0457 by Scottish Military Research Group, on Flickr

The two Great War panels. It might be because I have the flu right now, but I just cannot work out the ordering of these names:

IMG_0458 by Scottish Military Research Group, on Flickr

IMG_0461 by Scottish Military Research Group, on Flickr

The Second World War panels are in alphabetical order:

IMG_0459 by Scottish Military Research Group, on Flickr

IMG_0460 by Scottish Military Research Group, on Flickr


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

David, I hope you dont mind, I have posted a couple of the pics on another forum as someone had been asking about F/Sgt Godley on behalf of his Widow, The following information was added with regards to his death

"663 Heavy Conversion Unit

Halifax V DG404 OO-A

F/O J S Barber - injured
Sgt W D Hall - injured
Sgt T H Woollard - killed
Sgt T Reid - Killed
Sgt J Godley - Killed
P/O A J Walker - Injured
Sgt D H Batten (RAAF) - Injured

T/O Rufforth for a night-crosss-country flight. Hit bad weather conditions and at about 0200 the Halifax made a wheels down forced landing on the Eastern side of Heathfield Moor, approx 2 miles NW Pately Bridge. With injuries, Sgt Hall summoned help and they were taken to Highfield Farm. At least one died before the Ambulance arrived. Sgt Woollard is buried in Harrogate Cemetery, Sgt Reid and Godley were taken to Glasgow (Eastwood) and Cumbernauld Cemetery respectively.

Within fifteen months the 4 survivors had been killed in action. "

Also this link
http://www.peakdistrictaircrashes.co.uk/awaydg404.htm

Its a sad postscit about the survivors.

Alistair
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WWI ROLL OF HONOUR:
Anderson Thomas Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders Private
Arthur Dumbreck Seaforth Highlanders Private
Blair Robert Canadian Expiditionary Force Private
Bremner Henry Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders Private
Brodie Blair Cameron Highlanders Lance Corporal
Brown David C. Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders Private
Connolly Andrew Royal Navy Diver Driver ? Private
Convery Joseph Royal Horse Artillery A/Bombadier Military Medal
Dent Joseph Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders Colour Sergeant Major
Dobbie James Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders Private
Earsman James Royal Scots Private
Ferguson Andrew Royal Highlanders Private
Ferguson Michael G. Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders Private
Findlay Alexander Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders Private
Fraser James M. C. Ex. F. Lance Corporal
Frater Thomas Royal Field Artillery Gunner
Gillies William A. Ex. F. Private
Gordon Frank Gordon Highlanders Sergeant
Gordon James Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders Private
Graham Adam Cameron Highlanders Lance Corporal
Graham George Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders Private
Grier James Royal Highlanders Private
Hay John Royal Field Artillery Sergeant
Henderson James S. Royal Garrison Artillery Second Lieutenant
Hunter David Royal Field Artillery Gunner
Keir George Scottish Rifles Private
Killiard Patrick Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders Private
Lagan James Royal Navy Diver Driver ? A.B.
Lauder Thomas Royal Field Artillery Driver
Leiper John Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders Private
Leiper Robert Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders Private
Livingstone David Cameron Highlanders Private
MacAbe John Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders Private
MacKenzie Donald Seaforth Highlanders Private
Mann Robert Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders Lance Corporal
McGuire Frank Highland Light Infantry Private
McIlroy Thomas Royal Air Force Second Lieutenant
McPhee Duncan C. Ex. F. Private
Mills Thomas Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders Private
Morrison James Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders Private
Murray William Middlesex Regiment ? Corporal
Oliphant John Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders Private
Orr Robert Royal Highlanders Private
Patrick John Cameron Highlanders Private
Peebles James Scots Guards Private
Penny David Royal Dublin Fusiliers Private
Prentice John Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders Private
Preston William Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders Private
Quinn Michael Irish Guards Private
Rutherfurd Andrew Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders Private
Smith Andrew G. Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders Corporal
Smith John Scottish Rifles Private
Stewart Daniel Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders Private
Taylor James Scots Guards Corporal
Thomson Adam T. Cameron Highlanders Lance Corporal
Towers Walter A. Ex. F. Private
Walker James C. Ex. F. Private
Walker James Machine Gun Corps Private
Ward William T. C. Ex. F. Private
Whyte George Gordon Highlanders Private
Wilson William J. Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers Sergeant



WWII ROLL OF HONOUR:
Ballantine A.A. Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve Flight Lieutenant
Black Matthew Reconnaissance Corps Lance Corporal
Bryson James Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders Private
Climie D. INNS OF COURTR. Trooper
Corroon James Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders Private
Davenport D. Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders Private
Gemmell John Kings Own Scottish Borderers Private
Godley John Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve Flight Sergeant
Hughes John Wiltshires 5th Private
Johnson James Royal Artillery Gunner
Kirkwood Alexander Merchant Navy C.R.O. C.R.D.
McInnes William Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders Sergeant
McKenzie James Royal Army Service Corps Driver
Minnock Daniel T. Black Watch 7th Private
Murphy J. Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders Commandos Private
Reid John V.R.A. D.C.B. V.R.A. D.G.B. Flight Lieutenant
Robertson G. Royal Marine Commandos Corporal
Scott A. Burmah Rifles Captain
Shearer John B. Royal Army Service Corps Private
Stark James Royal Artillery Sergeant Major
Taylor Henry M.P.IND.CM. M.P.IND.CH. Lance Corporal
Thornton Robert Royal Engineers Sapper
Whyte John Royal Artillery Driver
Wilson James R. Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders Private
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim

R.N.Dv would be Royal Navy Division. Sailors who fought on the Western Front.

Mdx R will be Middlesex Regt

CRO, rather than CRD, will be Chief Radio Officer

M.P Ind is probably Corps of Military Police India. I don't know CM is though

From CWGC

Name: TAYLOR, HENRY
Initials: H
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Lance Corporal
Regiment/Service: Corps of Military Police
Age: 19
Date of Death: 19/04/1946
Service No: 14037963
Additional information: Son of John and Emily Maud Taylor, of Cumbernauld, Dunbartonshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: 3. B. 1.
Cemetery: RANCHI WAR CEMETERY


V.R.A. D.C.B. and has me stumped for now but I will investigate further. V.R. might be Volunteer Reserve as in RAFVR
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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adam Brown wrote:



V.R.A. D.C.B. and has me stumped for now but I will investigate further. V.R. might be Volunteer Reserve as in RAFVR


It is indeed Volunteer Reserve, but the rest of it is a mystery to me. Here's his CWGC entry:

Name: REID, JOHN
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Flight Lieutenant (Pilot)
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Unit Text: 605 Sqdn.
Age: 23
Date of Death: 26/06/1944
Service No: 128102
Awards: D F M
Additional information: Son of John and Lexie Reid; husband of Lilian Joan Reid (nee Cope), of Hemel Hempstead.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Sec. J. Uncons. Grave 30.
Cemetery: HEMEL HEMPSTEAD (HEATH LANE) CEMETERY

SNWM gives birthplace as Glasgow.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The following soldier is named on the War Memorial,

Name: PENNY, DAVID
Initials: D
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Royal Dublin Fusiliers
Unit Text: 7th Bn.
Age: 37
Date of Death: 16/08/1915
Service No: 12870
Additional information: Son of Francis Penny and Marion Shaw Penny, of Clifford Bank, Cumbernauld, Dumbartonshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 190 to 196.
Memorial: HELLES MEMORIAL

Would it be possible to let me know where this memorial is located and also, is it Dunbartonshire or Dumbartonshire (so I can keep my records straight) please.

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Mal
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Mal,

The Memorials are actually in Cumbernauld Village (NS765760).

If you go to one of the mapping sites, and look for Baronhill (one end of Main Street), then look for the junction between that and Glasgow Road, choose 'Aerial View', you'll see an oval shaped wall. Zoom into that then choose 'Bird's Eye View', you can ususually rotate the image to get the best view.

DuNbarton shire is the county, DuMbarton is the town.

Cumbernauld is sometimes referred to as being in East Dunbartonshire, but also North Lanarkshire - don't know which is correct! Rolling Eyes

Anne
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many thanks for your assistance Anne


Best regards

Mal
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

apanderson wrote:
Cumbernauld is sometimes referred to as being in East Dunbartonshire, but also North Lanarkshire - don't know which is correct!


Top tip. Look on the internet for the local primary school and you'll find which local authority a community is in. In this case Cumbernauld is currently in North Lanarkshire. Ninety years ago it was in Dunbartonshire.

In 1975 Dunbartonshire became part of Strathclyde Region and smaller sub-divisions were created. Cumbernauld was in Cumbernauld and Kilsyth District Council up until 1994. (Kilsyth had been in Stirlingshire!)

With the break up of Strathclyde in 1994 instead of putting Cumbernauld and Kilsyth in either of their historic areas of East Dunbartonshire or Stirlingshire it was attached to North Lanarkshire.

Thanks

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Adam

Thats a great tip

Best Regards

Mal
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking at this old postcard image I think the name panel wall is a much later addition. There seems to have been a metal fence around the boundary of the site once upon a time as well.



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The name panels are off to the side, so they may have been there at the tome of that photograph, just not in shot.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is a beautiful Celtic Cross. I'm with Derek on this one. The wall containing the names looks 'new' and is built upon the edging blocks which weren't in the original picture. Unveiling report would be very interesting.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think it's in it's original position.



I think it might have been located inside the cemetery.

The old postcard shows a slight hill behind it, but where it now sits, it is the highest point (by far) in the surrounding area.

On the War Graves Project there are 2 stones 'against' the railings which look remarkably like the ones in the old photo.

See: http://scottishwargraves.phpbbweb.com/viewtopic.php?t=249&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15&mforum=scottishwargraves
(Bryson, page 1 and Climie, page 2)

The cemetery (in theory) is behind where the memorials (in amomgst the trees in the background) but is not but not visible from any of the photos. The entrance to it is no more than 50 yards further along Baronhill on the same side of the road.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aerial View ....



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