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David McNay
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:51 pm    Post subject: Shotts, North Lanarkshire Reply with quote

http://maps.live.com/?v=2&sp=Point.t92tnrgphqg8_Shotts%20War%20Memorial___

The link above should take you to a map "pushpin" next to the war memorial. You can switch between map and aerial photograph, although you might need to zoom out slightly for the aerial shot.

DSCN9222 by Scottish Military Research Group, on Flickr


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DSCN9223 by Scottish Military Research Group, on Flickr

First World War names:

WW1 a-g by Scottish Military Research Group, on Flickr

WW1 g-m by Scottish Military Research Group, on Flickr

WW1 m-w by Scottish Military Research Group, on Flickr

These appear to be First World War as well, although I can't find some of them in the CWGC and the names are out of sequence with the rest of the panels:

DSCN9224 by Scottish Military Research Group, on Flickr

Second World War and subsequent campaigns:

DSCN9225 by Scottish Military Research Group, on Flickr

DSCN9231 by Scottish Military Research Group, on Flickr

DSCN9228 by Scottish Military Research Group, on Flickr

DSCN9227 by Scottish Military Research Group, on Flickr


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another 'Blair' man listed;

Name: DOUGALL
Initials: W
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Highland Light Infantry
Unit Text: 2nd Bn.
Age: 35
Date of Death: 25/08/1918
Service No: 37871
Additional information: Son of Mr. and Mrs. Dougall, of Perth; husband of Mary Dougall, of 106, Main St., Stane, Shotts, Lanarkshire. Native of Blairgowrie, Perth.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: M. 34.
Cemetery: ST. HILAIRE CEMETERY EXTENSION, FREVENT
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This man seems to be missing:

Surname BEATTIE
Firstname John
Service Number 9852
Date Death 30/12/1916
Decoration
Place of birth Shotts
Other 2nd Bn.
SNWM roll THE BLACK WATCH (ROYAL HIGHLANDERS)
Rank Pte
Theatre of death Persian Gulf.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All my research shows that this soldier was born in Shotts, but he is not commemorated on the memorials. I add him here for research purposes of other members.

KELLY Hugh Private 18448 1st Bn Royal Dublin Fusiliers
Born: Shotts, Lanarkshire Enlisted: Hamilton, Lanarkshire.
Date of Death: 11/10/1915 Cause: Died Gallipoli.
Special notes: Private Kelly is listed on the IWM records Soldiers Died (Part 73) and the Scottish Roll of Honour as “Died Gallipoli”.
Grave/Memorial: E. EA. A. 602. Addolorata Cemetery, Malta.
Other Memorials: Private Kelly is named in the Scottish Roll of Honour in, the Scottish National War Memorial, Edinburgh Castle, Edinburgh.
IWM Records Page No: Volume IV, Page 340.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 3:25 pm    Post subject: Pte. Harry Emerson Reply with quote

WW1
Pte. H. Emerson, H.L.I.

(Glasgow Herald 15th of November 1916)
"Killed in action, on the 8th last, Private Henry Emerson, Royal Scots, Son of David Emerson, 4 London Place, Shotts, and nephew of Mrs Brown, Montrose Villa, Helensburgh."

CWGC
Name: EMERSON, HARRY
Initials: H
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Royal Scots
Unit Text: 8th Bn.
Age: 21
Date of Death: 08/11/1916
Service No: 8677
Additional information: Native of Shotts. Son of David and Margaret Emerson, of 4, London Place, Shotts, Lanarkshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: II. H. 24.
Cemetery: AUCHONVILLERS MILITARY CEMETERY

SNWM
Surname: EMERSON
Firstname: Harry
Service Number: 8677
Date Death: 08/11/1916
Place of birth: Cambusnethan
Other: 8th Bn.
SNWM roll: THE ROYAL SCOTS (LOTHIAN REGIMENT)
Rank: Pte


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:10 am    Post subject: Unveiling info Reply with quote

(Glasgow Herald 12th of June 1922)
"In the public park, Shotts, yesterday afternoon a war memorial, erected to the men of Shotts and district who fell in the war, was unveiled and dedicated.
Mr Matthew Brown, manager of Shotts Iron Company (limited), Edinburgh, delivered an address, and Mrs Brown unveiled the memorial, which takes the form of an Obelisk, 30 feet high, with tables on three sides engraved with the names of 155 men, representative of all services.
Mr Gilfilan presided, and about 8000 people were present
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:14 am    Post subject: Korean And Far East Campaigns Reply with quote

Surname: CAIRNS
Forenames/Initials: James
Rank: Sig
Service: Army
Service Number: 22186196
Regiment/Corps: Royal Signals
Date of Birth: 03 May 1931
Age: 19
Date of Death: 18 August 1950
Cemetery Name: Colonial Cemetery
Cemetery Address: Happy Valley, Hong Kong
Grave Section: 46
Grave Number: 10602
Included on Armed Forces Memorial: No
Included on Roll of Honour: Yes

Surname: SHAW
Forenames/Initials: Robert
Rank: Pte
Service: Army
Service Number: 22595665
Regiment/Corps: BLACK WATCH
Date of Birth: 27 July 1930
Age: 22
Date of Death: 04 November 1952
Cemetery Name: UN Memorial
Cemetery Address: Pusan, PUSAN
Grave Section: 22
Grave Row: 12
Grave Number: 1537
Included on Armed Forces Memorial: Yes
Included on Roll of Honour: Yes
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of the First World War names is D. McKinstra HLI. He enlisted in the 8th Bn Highland Light Infantry as Daniel McKinstray.

On CWGC he is listed under a third spelling of his name - as McKinstry and his regiment is Royal Scots rather than HLI.

McKINSTRY, D
Rank: Private
Service No: 302492
Date of Death: 09/04/1917
Regiment/Service: Royal Scots, 9th Bn.
Grave Reference: I. B. 25.
Cemetery: ROCLINCOURT MILITARY CEMETERY

He had joined the 7th Royal Scots along with other 8th HLI in 1915 prior to service in Gallipoli. That service is recognised by his SNWM entry in the Highland Light Infantry Roll. It uses the same surname spelling as CWCG - McKinstry but gives his name as David, not Daniel. It also doesn't mention the 9th Bn but the CWGC is probably correct given the place of burial and date of death - Roclincourt, Arras on 9th April 1917 which would point to a 51st Highland Division death.

Surname: McKINSTRY
Forename: David
Rank: Pte
Service number: 7472
Decoration
Place of birth
Date of death: 9 April 1917
Theatre of death F&F
Cause of death: Killed in action
SNWM roll: THE HIGHLAND LIGHT INFANTRY
Unit name: Unknown Unit attached to THE HIGHLAND LIGHT INFANTRY
Other detail: latterly 302492 7th Bn. The Royal Scots.

Since he served in both HLI and Royal Scots, he gets another entry in the Royal Scots Roll. Just to make sure his last entry does not match any other entry it lists his unit as 1st Bn. That battalion was in Salonika in 1917 so presumably it is an error and should say 1/9th Bn. There is no mention of his prior service in the HLI.

Surname: McKINSTRY
Forename: David
Rank: Pte
Service number: 302492
Decoration
Place of birth
Date of death: 9 April 1917
Theatre of death F&F
Cause of death: Killed in action
SNWM roll: THE ROYAL SCOTS (LOTHIAN REGIMENT)
Unit name: Unknown Unit attached to THE ROYAL SCOTS LOTHIAN REGIMENT
Other detail: 1st Bn.

Can anyone get to the bottom of who Private Daniel/ David McKinstray/ McKinstry/ McKinstra was?

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a bit lost Shocked
Where does this come from: One of the First World War names is D. McKinstra HLI. He enlisted in the 8th Bn Highland Light Infantry as Daniel McKinstray.

SDGW has David McKinstray, Pte 302492. 7th Bn. Royal Scots.
Formerly 7472, HLI. Enlisted Shotts, Lanarkshire. Residence Newarthill, Lanarkshire.

SPeople has a David McKinstray aged 17 in Holytown, Lanarkshire - but I don't have the detail. There's no sign of a Daniel McKinstr* - or any other variants.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 9:38 am    Post subject: Colin Neilson Reply with quote

Colin Neilson Pte S/11146 1st Gordon Highlanders b Shotts, Lanarkshire e Shotts Killed in Action F & F 13/11/1916 Soldiers Effects: Sis: Jean. Soldiers Will 4 Pages. Queen's Cemetery, Puisieux Fr 0802 Row D Grave 10 AJ 20-12-16 P8: Lanark
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:34 pm    Post subject: Shotts War Memorial Reply with quote

Does anyone have any idea when it was erected? I also understand it may have been moved from it's original location. Any pictures of the latter location would be good.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 4:39 pm    Post subject: Shotts War Memorial Reply with quote

Seemingly the Memorial used to sit near the public park just off Currieside Avenue, I have been told it was possibly moved in the late 70s early 80s. Can anyone confirm?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://canmore.org.uk/site/86223/shotts-dykehead-public-park-war-memorial

Archaeology Notes

NS85NE 119.02 87052 59659 [Removed to NS 8792 5984]
Location formerly entered as NS 8704 5965.
The war memorial noted at this location on the current (1985) 1:10,000 map has been removed to a site in front of the public library in Shotts High Street (at NS 8792 5984). Only the brick-built pedestal remains at its former location in a former public park.

Does this make any sense?????

I'm a bit wary about information about the removal of War Memorials on this site as they detail the removal of the War Memorial in Castle Douglas - something that did not happen.
I have supplied evidence of this to them but...............
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