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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A photograph from "Miss MacDougalls Photo Album".

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are 3 MacIntyre Brothers on this memorial who have a family gravestone in the Glasgow Western Necropolis.

The spelling of their surname on the memorial is McIntyre whereas CWGC and their family gravestone has MacIntyre

Pte. Alexander Cameron MacIntyre, S/3380, Seaforth Highlanders, 7th Bn., died 25.09.1915 age 32
Pte. Duncan MacIntyre, 12972, Royal Scots Fusiliers, 7th Bn., died 12.05.1916 age 34
Pte. John MacIntyre, 6463, Cameronians (Scottish Rifles), 5th Bn., died 16.12.1916 age 20
Sons of Duncan and Mary MacIntyre (nee Cameron), 11 Carnarvon St., Glasgow.

A photograph of the stone is/will be available on the Scottish War Graves Project on the Glasgow and Dunbartonshire Section, Glasgow Western Necropolis thread. (Page 41)

http://scottishwargraves.phpbbweb.com/viewtopic.php?t=129&mforum=scottishwargraves

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was lucky enough to visit the memorial on a sunny Spring morning and took some more photographs of Carrick's statue.







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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The three heads. You can see the effects of the weather on the first face.





Note the broken nose on this chap!



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another shot of the broken nose. Note that the Tam O' Shanters do not have any regimental badge and look how the sling for the rifle goes over the bayonet but in front of the entrenching tool handle.



Note the clenched fists of the men carrying their comrade. Their other hands are hidden and the man being carried has both his hands open.

Note also the winter jerkins and kilt covers of the soldiers. This is the same uniform as worn by Carrick's 5th Seaforth Highlander at Dornoch which represented the unit at their finest moment, the storming of Beaumont Hamel in November 1916.

The local TF unit for Oban was the 8th Bn Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders and the 8th Argylls fought near the 5th Seaforths at Beaumont Hamel. Both were in 152nd Brigade, 51st Division and although they have no badges to identify their unit perhaps these three men represent 8th Argylls at Beaumont Hamel in 1916?





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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've also taken a couple of shots of the stone next to the memorial from another angle with the heads in the background.

This stone had been moved just before the war to widen the road at this point. It is right at the end of the Esplanade in Oban.





This shot was taken some way back along the Esplanade.



Anyone going to visit the war memorial in Oban approaches it from the Esplanade. This is the only way to approach it from the town. Carrick would have taken that into consideration when designing this memorial.

It's not that clear in this photograph but the hills of Lismore and Ardnamurchan are a dramatic backdrop to the figures as you approach the memorial from the Esplanade and it gives them a 'no man's land' to have struggled across with their wounded comrade.

Earlier photos show the gold lettering for the names is a more recent addition. It is very pleasing to see them shining in the sun on a day such as I took the photographs but without them the effect I described above of the figures blending with the landscape would be very dramatic. As it is the eye is drawn to the gold lettering as you approach and not the statue. By the time you reach the memorial and see the figures the effect is lost.
It is another example of Carrick's original vision being lost over the years. (e.g. the removal of plants on the memorial and the growth of trees at Killen; the moving of the statue at Dornoch to face West instead of East)

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[The local TF unit for Oban was the 8th Bn Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders and the 8th Argylls fought near the 5th Seaforths at Beaumont Hamel. Both were in 152nd Brigade, 51st Division and although they have no badges to identify their unit perhaps these three men represent 8th Argylls at Beaumont Hamel in 1916?]

A local TF unit was 8th A&SH. Looking at the name plaques on the memorial shows the other, Argyll Mountain Battery, 4th Highland (Mountain) Brigade, first guns ashore at W Beach, Gallipoli April 25, 1915 and in action without relief until they were withdrawn for the second amphibious landing at Suvla Bay in August - again first guns ashore and in action.
Please don't take this response as criticism of this very fine posting, but as my effort to insure that these men are not forgotten. When you are in Oban, visit the War & Peace Museum and ask to see the collection regarding the Argyll Mountain Battery.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike

You are quite right to pick me up here and highlight the war-record of other TF units and not just the infantry. Many memorials in Argyll list gunners from this RGA unit.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was meant with the utmost respect.
I have made it my task to keep their memory alive while not demeaning anyone else's service in any way. They are often missed in many different areas. Their impact at Gallipoli was major. Their Battery Commander, Major Thomas McKelvie was wounded twice at Gallipoli. The second wound required shipment home and retirement from the Army. Their Highland Ponies were the first transport animals on the peninsula and, after emplacing their guns, were sent back to the beach with their drivers to provide the only, very hazardous, transport of food, water and ammunition to the beleaguered infantry pushing the Turks back from their heavily entrenched and well defended positions. All while the gunners were helping push them back from prepared and fortified positions east of W Beach.
It's appropriate to reflect on this now as next Saturday is the 94th anniversary of that landing. Thanks for the opportunity!

This is a stunning, well placed memorial.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also commemorated in Perth Golden Book;

Name: PRYDE, DAVID
Initials: D
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Lance Corporal
Regiment/Service: Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders
Unit Text: 1st/7th Bn.
Date of Death: 20/09/1917
Service No: 276747
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 141 to 143 and 162.
Memorial: TYNE COT MEMORIAL

THE PEOPLE'S JOURNAL: 13.10.1917
FALLEN HEROES FOR FREEDOM'S CAUSE -
PERTH

L-Cpl. David Pryde, A. & S.H., son of Mr and Mrs Pryde, 33 Craigie Rd., Perth, killed. Before enlisting he was in the Bank of Scotland, Oban.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 3:35 pm    Post subject: Sgt. William Edwards Wright Reply with quote

jamiemcginlay wrote:
WRIGHT WILLIAM E. ROYAL AIR FORCE SERGEANT


(Glasgow Herald 18th October 1945)
"Wright-
Previously reported missing on 6th December, 1944, on operations over Giessens, Germany, Sergeant William Edwards, in his 21st year, elder son of the late William Edwards Wright, baker, Oban. and of Mrs S. Cumming, 6 Soroba Road, Oban.
"

CWGC
Name: WRIGHT, WILLIAM EDWARD (Edwards)
Initials: W E
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Sergeant (W.Op./Air Gnr.)
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Unit Text: 57 Sqdn.
Age: 20
Date of Death: 06/12/1944
Service No: 1341391
Additional information: Son of W. E. and Sarah Wright, of Oban, Argyllshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Coll. grave 6. K. 9-15.
Cemetery: HANOVER WAR CEMETERY

SNWM
Surname: WRIGHT
Firstname: William Edwards
Service number: 1341391
Date of death: 06/12/1944
Place of birth: Oban
SNWM roll: ROYAL AIR FORCE and DOMINION AIR FORCES
Rank: Sgt
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 3:57 am    Post subject: Capt. Stoddart-MacLellan Reply with quote

Not Commemorated on any memorials in Scotland as far as I can see, but was buried in Oban after dying in England.

(Glasgow Herald 2nd of December 1914)
"At 1 Riverbank, East Molsey, Surrey, on 30th November, Major B.R. Stoddart MacLellan of Melfort, Argyllshire, and of His Majesty's 3rd Battalion the Essex Regiment."

Name: STODDART-MacLELLAN
Initials: C R A D
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Captain (and Hon. Maj)
Regiment/Service: Essex Regiment
Date of Death: 30/11/1914
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: L. 92.
Cemetery: OBAN (PENNYFUIR) CEMETERY
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lost on this day seventy years ago

TAWS, STEPHEN CORNER STEPHENSON
Rank:Chief Officer
Date of Death:03/03/1942
Age:44
Regiment/Service:Merchant Navy
S.S. City of Manchester (Liverpool)
Panel ReferencePanel 29.
MemorialTOWER HILL MEMORIAL
Additional Information:
Husband of A. H. Taws, of Houston, Renfrewshire. Master Mariner, Merchant Navy.

From Hugh MacLean on http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/royal-artillery/26936-city-manchester-ss-3.html

CITY OF MANCHESTER official number 164262 built in 1935 (Ellerman Hall Line).
28.2.1942 Torpedoed and sunk by gunfire by Japanese submarine I-153 (Nakamura), in the Indian Ocean SE of Tjilatjap, Sumatra, in position 08.16S 108.52E while sailing independently on a voyage from Pekan, Malaya, to Tjilatjap, with 6400 tons of general cargo including military stores.

"..Taws ... recorded as dying on the USS Tulsa from injuries sustained in the attack."
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:09 pm    Post subject: Pte. Duncan Alastair Jamieson Reply with quote

WW1
Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders
Jamieson, D.A. Private

(Glasgow Herald 17th June 1915)
"Killed in action in Northern France, on 12th June, Private D.A. (Alastair) Jamieson, aged 22 years. 1-8th Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders. Youngest son of Mr Duncan Jamieson, Craigroyston, Oban."

CWGC
JAMIESON, D A
Rank: Private
Service No: 1104
Date of Death: 12/06/1915
Regiment/Service: Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders 1st/8th Bn.
Grave Reference: VI. E. 18.
Cemetery: PONT-DU-HEM MILITARY CEMETERY, LA GORGUE

SNWM
Surname: JAMIESON
Firstname: Duncan Alastair
Service Number: 1104
Date Death: 12/06/1915
Place of birth: Oban
Other: 1/8th Bn.
SNWM roll: THE ARGYLL AND SUTHERLAND HIGHLANDERS
Rank: Pte
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the Press Associatio, an article about the brother of Royal Marine Gordon MacPherson who is listed on this memorial.

Falklands trip for victim's brother

A man whose brother died during the Falklands war is to retrace his footsteps almost 30 years on from the conflict.

In 1982 Royal Marine Gordon MacPherson was killed during the battle for Two Sisters, along with comrade Corporal Frank Spencer.

Both men served with Zulu Company, 45 Commando, Royal Marines, which is based in Arbroath.

Gordon MacPherson's brother David and Mike Cole, who was Zulu Company Commander in 1982, will yomp the original 120km (75 mile) route across East Falkland from Port San Carlos to Stanley, and will stop to pay their respects at Two Sisters.

The idea for the yomp, which is a Marine term for trekking long distances with heavy kit as they "eat away the miles", originally came from Cpl Spencer's son Simon, but he and his brother, Gareth, are no longer able to take part in the yomp due to family reasons.

When Mr MacPherson and Mr Cole reach Two Sisters, a ceremony will be held, at which it is hoped a piper from The Highlanders, 4th Battalion, The Royal Regiment of Scotland (4 SCOTS), will play Nam Anna Le Mo Smaointe, a Gaelic song which means "Alone With My Thoughts", written for Gordon after he died by family friends Erik Spence and the Reverend John MacLeod.

The pair, who will be joined by Colour Sergeant Trevor Law, a Royal Marine currently serving in the Falklands, are gearing up for the challenge, which starts on May 13 and will last for six days. The men are raising money for the Royal Marines Charitable Trust Fund and have already had a royal seal of approval from the Duke of Edinburgh, who sent them a letter of support last week.

Mr MacPherson, a painter and decorator from Oban, Argyll, said: "I never thought I would get the opportunity to do anything like this. It's the first and probably the only time I will go to the Falklands."

Mr Cole, 64, from Dorset, added: "We were delighted to receive a letter from HRH the Duke of Edinburgh, as Captain General Royal Marines, commending us and wishing us luck on our expedition, which he indicated was a unique and fitting tribute to Corporal Spencer and Marine MacPherson."

The men have already raised more than 18,000. To donate, please visit:
www.virginmoneygiving.com/yomp2012
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