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jamiemcginlay



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 12:49 am    Post subject: Paisley Reply with quote

Paisley - Renfrew District
UKNIWM Ref no. 28974

The Paisley cenotaph which stands at the junction of Gilmour Street and Moss Street in the town centre.







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PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another close up (as close as I can manage) of the group which crowns the top of the cenotaph.

The cenotaph is 25 feet high with a bronze group by Meredith Williams of a mounted crusader flanked by four infantrymen. According to the Paisley Daily Express, July 28th 1924 "The idea which the group is intended to convey is that our men in the great war in their splendid determination were animated by the same spirit as the Crusaders, and were striving towards an ideal similar to that which stimulated them."
The monument was designed by Sir Robert Lorimer, the builders Messrs. Neil McLeod & Sons Limited, and the carving work carried out by Messrs. Allen & Sons, both of Edinburgh. The 228 tons of granite employed was supplied by the Shap Fells Granite Company in Westmorland.
The inscription reads:
"To the glorious memory of the 1,953 men of Paisley who gave their lives in the Great War."
The memorial was unveiled in 1924 before a crowd of 20,000 which filled the square and the newspaper reported that there was a continuous stream of visitors walking around the monument throughout the following week.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is a stunning memorial.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello,
What a great set of photo's. Don't think I have ever seen this memorial before. Do you know if there is a John W Fraser, pte, RSF listed on the memorial? He was from Paisley, but lived in Glasgow when he died. However he also worked in Edinburgh.
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Stewart
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Stewart,
There are no names listed on the memorial itself. As far as know there is a memorial book with the roll of honour in the Paisley Library. If memory serves there is also one in Paisley Abbey, although that one is in a glass display case with the page turned every day.
I'm afraid I havn't had time to visit the library, but when I do I'll have a look.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks that would be great Jim. So far, apart from the CWGC and SDGW, I have been undable to find out anything about this chap. It would be great to know something of his life.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GREY GRANITE PEDESTAL SURMOUNTED BY ARMOURED CRUSADER ON CHARGER FLANKED BY FOUR INFANTRYMEN TRUDGING THROUGH MUD. SURROUNDED BY RETAINING WALL ON THREE SIDES. ARMS OF THE BURGH ON THE PLINTH. SHIELD AND PENNANT OF KNIGHT BEAR THE CROSS OF ST ANDREW. SHIELDS ON DEXTER AND SINISTER SIDES OF PLINTH BEAR CROSSES OF ST ANDREW AND ST GEORGE. ON EAST AND WEST SIDES ARE PALM BRANCHES WITH A CROWN AT THE TOP AND CAREVD BELOW IN RAISED LETTERING ARE THE NAMES OF THE COUNTRIES FROM WW1 AND WW2 IN WHICH THE MEN FOUGHT.

Taken from channel 4 lost generation site.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can anyone supply names that were commemorated by this memorial?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found a reference here http://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/paisley/abbey/index.html to the fact that the East window in Paisley Abbey serves as Paisley's war memorial so there may be a roll of honour associated with that.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a Roll for the Second World War and subsequent conflicts available to buy - I found it on the Waterstones website where it can be ordered.
As for the Great War - I believe there is a book similar to the Glasgow Roll but I'm not sure where it might be kept.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's two women who would be on this memorial (if it had been furnished with name panels) and are likely in the roll of honour book for the second world war.

Isabella Muirhead Hunter, First Aid Post, worker, Paisley,
Agnes Cormie Lochhead, telephonist at a First Aid post, Paisley.

They are in the W.V.S. roll of honour.
http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=5924

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 4:46 pm    Post subject: WO2. Robert Anderson R.A.M.C. Reply with quote

WW2
W.O. II. Robert Anderson, R.A.M.C

(Glasgow Herald 24th September 1945)
"At British military hospital, Rawalpindi, India, on 15th September 1945, Warrant Officer II, Robert Anderson R.A.M.C., aged 29 years, beloved husband of Catherine Needham and only son of the late Mr James Y. Anderson and of Mrs Annie Anderson, 33 Alice Street, Paisley."

CWGC
Name: ANDERSON, ROBERT
Initials: R
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Staff Serjeant
Regiment/Service: Royal Army Medical Corps
Age: 29
Date of Death: 15/09/1945
Service No: 2829419
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: 2. F. 7.
Cemetery: RAWALPINDI WAR CEMETERY

SNWM
Surname: ANDERSON
Firstname: Robert
Service number: 2829419
Date of death: 15/09/1945
Place of birth: Paisley
SNWM roll: ROYAL ARMY MEDICAL CORPS
Rank: S/Sgt
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:07 pm    Post subject: Pte Charles Maitland Herd Reply with quote

WW2
Private Charles Maitland Herd, K.O.S.B.

(Glasgow Herald 28th September 1945)
"At a hospital, Killearn, on 27th September 1945, Lance Corporal Charles Maitland Herd, K.O.S.B. beloved husband of Thomasina Kerr, 24 Ferguslie Walk, Paisley, and beloved second son of Mr & Mrs Alexander Herd, 155 Neilston Road, Paisley."

CWGC
Name: HERD, CHARLES MAITLAND
Initials: C M
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: King's Own Scottish Borderers
Unit Text: 6th Bn.
Date of Death: 27/09/1945
Service No: 3196448
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Sec. D. Grave 1290.
Cemetery: PAISLEY (HAWKHEAD) CEMETERY

SNWM
Surname: HERD
Firstname: Charles M
Service number: 3196448
Date of death: 27/09/1945
Place of birth: Paisley
SNWM roll: THE KING'S OWN SCOTTISH BORDERERS
Rank: Pte
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 2:39 pm    Post subject: Gnr. William Lodge Alexander Reply with quote

WW2
Gunner William Lodge Alexander

(Glasgow Herald 22nd September 1942)
"Reported killed in Hong Kong, probably in December, 1941, William Lodge Alexander (chartered accountant) Hong Kong Volunteer Defence Force, beloved husband of Elsie Ferguson, and younger son of Jeanie Dickie Alexander, 104 Glasgow Road, Paisley, and of the late John Young Alexander."

Name: ALEXANDER, WILLIAM L.
Initials: W L
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Gunner
Regiment/Service: Hong Kong Volunteer Defence Corps
Age: 40
Date of Death: 24/12/1941
Service No: DR/234
Additional information: Son of John Young Alexander and Jeanie Dickie Alexander; husband of Elizabeth Forsyth Alexander, of Sandringham, Victoria, Australia. Chartered Accountant.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: 1. B. Coll. grave 2-9.
Cemetery: STANLEY MILITARY CEMETERY
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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2012 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

Posting in the hope that somebody may be able to confirm if the below serviceman is commemorated on the Paisley Roll of Honour:

Name: Francis Carr
Rank: Private
Service Number: 278921
Unit: 1/8th Battalion
Regiment: Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders
Born 15th May 1889 - Inverkeithing
Killed in Action 21st March 1918
Commemorated on the Pozieres Memorial
Son of Rodger and Mary Carr of Paisley

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