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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 5:40 pm    Post subject: Balmoral Estate Workers (WW1) & Crathie Community (WW2) Reply with quote

UKNIWM Ref: 5852
OS Map Ref: NO261948

These photographs have been supplied by Ady and forwarded by Kevin:






PLAQUE:
THE BALMORAL WAR MEMORIAL
HIS MAJESTY KING GEORGE V UNVEILED THIS MEMORIAL ON
3RD SEPTEMBER 1922 AND DEDICATED IT IN MEMORY OF THE
MEN FROM THE ESTATES IN THE AREA WHO GAVE THEIR LIVES
IN THE GREAT WAR.
THE NAMES OF THE MEN OF THE CRATHIE PARISH WHO WERE
KILLED IN THE SECOND WORLD WAR WERE ADDED TO THE BASE.
THE MEMORIAL IS BUILT OF THE SAME GRANITE AS BALMORAL CASTLE. IT WAS DESIGNED BY DR W KELLY, WHO SPECIALISED IN CELTIC CROSSES AND WAS SCULPTURED BY SIR JAMES TAGGART.
THE SWASTIKA WAS A SYMBOL OF WIDESPREAD ANCIENT USAGE ASSOCIATED WITH THE SUN AND ITS NAME IS FROM SANSKRIT DENOTING WILL BEING, FOTUNE, LUCK. THESYMBOL APPEARED ON THE BUILDINGS AND TITLE PAGES OF MANY OF RUDYARD KIPLINGS WORKS. THE SYMBOL HAD NO SINISTER ASSOCIATIONS AT THE TIME THE MEMORIAL WAS DESIGNED.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The swastika hit me right between the eyes before I'd even read the description.

The following three Coutts are on the W.M. at Ballater - same people? However their regiments don't match!

Name: COUTTS, JOHN
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Black Watch (Royal Highlanders)
Unit Text: 8th Bn.
Age: 31
Date of Death: 19/07/1918
Service No: 267978
Additional information: Son of Edward and Jessie Coutts, of Glengirnaig Post Office, Ballater, Aberdeenshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 7.
Memorial: PLOEGSTEERT MEMORIAL

Name: COUTTS, ROBERT EDWARD
Initials: R E
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: London Regiment (Royal Fusiliers)
Unit Text: 2nd/2nd Bn.
Age: 28
Date of Death: 26/10/1917
Service No: 248039
Additional information: Son of Edward and Jessie Coutts, of Glengirnaig Post Office, Ballater, Aberdeenshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 148 to 150.
Memorial: TYNE COT MEMORIAL

Name: COUTTS
Initials: H
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Black Watch (Royal Highlanders)
Unit Text: 8th Bn.
Age: 26
Date of Death: 01/10/1918
Service No: 41688
Additional information: Son of Edward and Jessie Coutts, of Post Office Glengirnaig, Ballater, Aberdeenshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: VI. B. 14.
Cemetery: DADIZEELE NEW BRITISH CEMETERY
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The swastika does look odd to modern eyes, but I have a Kipling hardback and it does indeed have a swastika on the cover.

By the way, is anyone able to visit Crathie church to photograph the laid up colours there?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:42 pm    Post subject: Michie John 2nd Lt HLI Reply with quote

Michie John 2nd Lt 15th Highland Light Infantry Danzig Sheil, Balmoral 28/08/1887 Age 29 Killed in Action F & F 15-Jul-17 Son of John & Helen Robertson (nee Kitchin) Michie, Kincairn, Blairs. Native of Balmoral. City Roll of Honour: Bhaile-Na-Choile, Balmoral. The Roll of Honour : Vol III page 193: Photo. Officers Book page 163. North of Scotland Bank Ltd; War Record: page 83 : Photo. AJ 21 Jul 17: Youngest son. Father's Occ: Factor, Balmoral. AJ 23 Jul 17 Page 2. Crathie MI 28. Coxyde Military Cemetery B 024 Plot I Row A Grave 3

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:44 pm    Post subject: Anderson William Walker L/sjt Reply with quote

Anderson William Walker L/sjt 53558 95th Machine Gun Corps (Inf) b Ferland, Aberdeen e Aberdeen r Balmoral Age 20 Killed in Action F & F 08-Oct-17 Son of John Anderson, Clachanturn, Crathie, Ballater. Crathie MI 6. Mother Elizabeth Walker. Formerly 15075 Camerons. Tyne Cot Cemetery B 125 Plot LVII Row C Grave 07

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:46 pm    Post subject: Campbell Charles Smith Pte Scots Guards Reply with quote

Charles Smith Campbell Pte 15758 3rd Scots Guards b Aberdeen 14-10-1882 Age 34 Died of Pleursy Home 25-07-17 Son of William Campbell, Stationer & Clemintine nee Smith, King St; Aberdeen. Educated King St; School. 1891 Census: 29 Spital. 1901 Census: 5 Jackson Terr; Occ: Apprentice Plumber. Husband of Maggie Ann Rough, Lochnagar Cottage, Crathie. Occ: Plumber. Died Old Mill Military Hospital, Aberdeen. Roll of Honour Vol III page 46. City Roll of Honour : date 8-6-17. Crathie Old Churchyard U. K. Crathie Grave 736 Balmoral Estate & City

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:48 pm    Post subject: Coutts Harry (Henry) Pte Black Watch Reply with quote

Harry (Henry) Coutts Pte 41688 8th Black Watch b Crathie e Glasgow Age 25 Killed in Action F & F 01/10/1918 4th Son of Edward and Jessie Brown (nee Birss) Coutts, of Post Office Glengirnaig, Ballater, Aberdeenshire. Soldiers Effects: Fa: Edward. Brothers John & Robert also died. Dadizeele New British Cemetery B 157 Plot VI Row B Grave 14 EE 21-10-18 Page 2 RoH AJ 08-11-18 P5: Ballater Ballater Free Church & Balmoral Estate

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:50 pm    Post subject: Coutts John Pte Black Watch Reply with quote

John Coutts Pte 267978 8th Black Watch b Ballater e Dunkeld, Perth. Age 31 Killed in Action F & F 19/07/1918 2nd Son of Edward & Jessie Brown (nee Birss) Coutts, Glenirnaig Post Office, Ballater. Formerly 6336 Scot. Horse. Brother of Robert Edward Coutts also KIA and Henry also 1916. 1901 Census 183/2 Crathie En Dis 1 Page 3 age 14. 1891 Census 183 En Dis 1 Page 2 age 4. City Roll of Honour: 25 Union St; Mother Jessie Brown Birss. Brothers Harry & Robert also died. Ploegsteert Memorial M. R. 32 Panel 7 AJ 07-09-18 P5: Missing: Ballater Balmoral Estate & City

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:52 pm    Post subject: Coutts R E Reply with quote

Robert Edward Coutts Pte 249039 2nd London Regt b Crathie, Braemar 19/08/1890 e Aberdeen r Aberdeen Age 28 Killed in Action F & F 26/10/1917 3rd Son of Edward & Jessie Brown (nee Birss) Coutts, Glengirnaig Post Office, Ballater. 1891 Census 183 Crathie & Braemar : 1/5 Post Office. 1901 Census 183 Crathie & Braemar 1A/11 Post Office. Formerly 2064 3/1st HF Amb. RAMC (T). City Roll of Honour : 173 Skene St; Brother of Harry & John Coutts also KIA. Joined Aberdeen City Police 1911. Mother: Jessie Brown Birss. Soldiers Effects: Fa: Edward. Tyne Cot Memorial M. R. 30 Panel 148 AJ 08-10-18 Page 1 EE 08-10-18 P2 RoH: 3rd Son. Ballater Ballater Free Church City & Police HQ

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:55 pm    Post subject: Duguid Robert Pte Gordons Reply with quote

Duguid Robert Pte 290869 7th Gordon Highlanders b Glenmuick 20-01-1897 e Banchory Age 20 Killed in Action F & F 29-May-17 Son of George Duguid, Daliefour Cottage, Ballater. 1901 Census 201 Glenmuick En 5 Page 4 Mother: Mary. Entry 20: Knockandhu Father's Occ: Stone Breaker. Mother: Mary Merchant. Arras Memorial M. R. 20 Panel 8 & 9 AWJ 29-06-17 P3: Photo EE 16-06-17 Ballater & Balmoral Estate

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:57 pm    Post subject: Duncan Henry Pte Gordons Reply with quote

Duncan Henry Pte 7017 2nd Gordon Highlanders b Glenmuick e Ballater Age 35 Killed in Action F & F 24-Jan-15 Son of James Duncan, Girnock Cottages, Ballater, Aberdeenshire. Mother Hellen. 1881 Census: Dallyfour. 1891 Census: Mitchells Building. b 1882. 23 pages Service Record then other entry 9 pages. Occ: Farm Servant. Father: Tinabach, Crathie. Rue-Petillon Military Cemetery Fr 0525 Plot I Row C Grave 38 Ballater & Balmoral Estate

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:59 pm    Post subject: Durran William Pte Scots Guards Reply with quote

Durran William Pte 14566 2nd Scots Guards b Crathie e Aberdeen r Crathie Age 22 Killed in Action F & F 30-Mar-18 Son of James & Helen Durran, East Lodge, Abergeldie, Ballater. Native of Crathie. 1901 Census: Corbiehall: Father's Occ: Assistant Grocer. City Roll of Honour: 10 Black's Buildings. Bucquoy Road Cemetery, Ficheux Fr 0214 Plot VI Row F Grave 6 Balmoral Estate & City

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:01 pm    Post subject: Gregson James Pte Gordons Reply with quote

James Gregson Pte 342 2nd Gordon Highlanders b Port Errol e Tarland Age 29 Killed in Action F & F 29/10/1914 Son of John & Agnes Gregson. 1891 Census: b Cruden: Living in Insch. 1901 Census: Newton Farm Occ: Cattleman. Soldiers Effects: Fa: John. B Cruden 185/ 43. b 1884. Service Returns: 117/AF 144. Menin Gate Memorial, Ypres M. R. 29 Panel 38

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Robert Cook Gregson Pte S/17744 6th Gordon Highlanders b Lumphanan 1897 e Aberdeen Age 20 Killed in Action F & F 23/11/1917 Son of John & Agnes (nee Mackie) Gregson. 1901 Census: Balchlaggan Cottage, Crathie. Fa Occ: Gamekeeper. 1911 Census: Crathie: 183/2 2/ 4. Service Returns: 118/AF 366. Cambrai Memorial, Louverval M. R. 17 Panel 10 AJ 8 Dec 17 Page 4: Dis Cas: Youngest son. AJ 31-12-17 Page 4: Killed ( New Pitsligo). The Scotsman 31-12-17 P7: New Pitsligo. Balmoral Estate 2007 Nov photo taken.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:04 pm    Post subject: Hunter John L/cpl Gordons Reply with quote

Hunter John L/cpl 2685 7th Gordon Highlanders b Crathie 12 Jan 1896 e Ballater Age 20 Died of Wounds Dundee 30-Oct-16 Eldest Son of Alexander Sutherland Hunter, Glentannar. 1901 Census 201 Glenmuick En 1 Page 5 Entry 17 age 5:Greystone. Mother Jane. Crathie MI 255 Mother Jeannie Bonner. AJ 1-11-16 Roll of Honour Page 4. Crathie Old Churchyard U. K. Crathie (In the ruins)

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