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PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One error in the UKNIWM inscription concerns the 'crossed sword and scabbard'. I have been back today and had a close look and it is definitely a crossed sword and musket (with bayonet attached).

Out of interest I took a tape measure with me. The memorial is 1.9 metres high and 69 cm square.

Update sent to UKNIWM today.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

James McMichael was born in about 1834 and was the son of Dan and Margaret McMichael, Balmaclellan. His father was an innkeeper in 1841 but by 1851 was described as a pauper (former agricultural labourer).

Thomas McRobert was born in about 1832 going by the 1851 census. He was a farm servant and in the 1851 census was living away from home at Kelton. From the detail on the memorial he might have been born in 1833.

I came across this memorial in Beeston, England which bears some similarities with the Balmaclellan memorial, especially when it comes to the wording for each individual.

http://www.beeston-notts.co.uk/crimean_memorial.shtml



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joseph Gordon was born in about 1827 and at the time of the 1841 census was living away from home in the household of John Craig in Balmaclellan, presumably as a servant. The year of birth from the 1841 census agrees with the age at death from the memorial.

William Barr was born in about 1831 and at the time of the 1841 census was living with his parents, Archibald and Elizabeth at Gibbs Hill in Balmaclellan. Note that the age at death according to the memorial gives a year of birth of 1827 which seems more likely. It was common at the time of the 1841 census to round down ages to the next 10 years which appears to have happened in this case, giving his age as 10 instead of 14.

James Gibson was born in about 1823 and at the time of the 1841 census was living away from home in the household of Robert Ronison at Fingland, a farm about 10 miles from Balmaclellan in Dalry Parish (the next parish to Balmaclellan). His occupation is given as sailor!

Amazing to have found all the men on this memorial!

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Something a little different for the forum.

This is an original oil painting by Ian Gascoyne (size 70cm X 29cm) currently for sale price £250 and features this memorial at the centre.

If anyone is interested, you can contact Ian through me.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is the RCAHMS entry for this memorial

http://canmore.rcahms.gov.uk/en/site/299037/details/balmaclellan+churchyard+crimean+war+memorial/
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have heard today from the Minister of the church that my application to Historic Scotland for listed building status for the memorial has been successful. I originally applied for listed building status for the memorial alone but at a site visit by a Historic Scotland representative, we agreed that it would make more sense to apply for listed building status for the church and churchyard in entirity and making specific mention of the Crimean memorial and I understand that this has now been given.

The memorial is now covered by a Grade B listing (of national importance) although it may take a while for it to appear on the Historic Scotland website.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The historic Scotland listing for Balmaclellan church and churchyard covers this memorial and makes specific mention of it in two places.

http://hsewsf.sedsh.gov.uk/hslive/hsstart?P_HBNUM=51352

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Recent research has shown that this memorial dates from 1857.

An entry in the Dumfries and Galloway Standard of Wednesday 17th May 1857 gives a brief report

"In memory of the departed brave.............(a) monument is being erected in Balmaclellan burial-ground, in memory of five young men, natives of, or lately residing in the parish, who were cut down in battle, or died of disease in the Crimea."

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul

At last some evidence from a newspapers! Hopefully the date now can lead to more information and perhaps an edition later in 1857 about its unveiling will give more detail.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, there was nothing about an unveiling - checked every local newspaper entry via an index for Balmaclellan. It was treated by the papers in the same way as any other graveyard memorial i.e. gravestone. I think unveiling and dedication of memorials began much later in the century.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two articles from 1857 newspapers which mention the Balmaclellan memorial. The first one is the one Spoons mentioned below. I give it in full here because it is similar to the second one

Dumfries and Galloway Standard and Advertiser May 27 1857

In Memory of the Departed Brave

A handsome monument was lately placed in St Cuthbert’s churchyard Kirkcudbright, to the memory of Robert Barbour of the Scots Fusilier Guards, who fell mortally wounded in the fierce contest on the slopes of Inkerman.
And a similar monument is being erected in Balmaclellan burial-ground in memory of five young men, natives of or lately resident in the parish, who were cut down in battle, or died of disease in the Crimea

The Inverness Courier of July 16, 1857

Kirkcudbright – Local Military Monuments

A short time ago Mr John Wallace, stonecutter, completed and sent off a monument to be erected in Balmaclellan Churchyard, to the memory of five young men, natives of or lately resident in the parish, who fell by disease or in battle in the Crimea.
A handsome monument was lately erected in St Cuthbert’s churchyard of Kirkcudbright, to the memory of Robert Barbour of the Scots Fusilier Guards, who fell in the Battle of Inkerman.
Both monuments were erected by subscription. There is hardly a parish in the kingdom which did not lose some of its natives in the Crimea. The examples of Kirkcudbright and Balmaclellan are worthy of being followed – Dumfries Courier


They tell us that:
1. John Wallace, stone-cutter of Kirkcudbright was responsible for making it.
2. It was erected after 16th July 1857
3. It was raised by subscription
4. Its unveiling may have been widely reported if it was picked up in an Inverness newspaper
5. A headstone with one name in Kirkcudbright should be considered that town’s Crimean War Memorial if it was also raised by subscription
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Adam, I will follow this up when time permits.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This memorial is at last correct on the WMR, ex UKNIWM
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