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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't been along that way recently so I don't know.

Maybe if Willie is still visiting the site, he'll let us know . . . . ?

Anne
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 1:12 am    Post subject: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Reply with quote

I'm brand-spanking new to this forum and today you've absolutely made my day!!!

I've been searching for my great uncle, Charles John Williams, for AGES. I have a few items (ribbons from medals, an Acton plaque, and pictures) but nothing with reference to regiment/battalion, etc. Now at least I have a direction - 1st Blackwatch.

I'll float around on cloud nine for a bit and then worry about where to go next Very Happy

Thank you for taking the time to photograph the Bridge of Allan War Monument and for bringing me one step closer...

Kelly Scottisheart
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CWGC:
Name: WILLIAMS
Initials: C
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Black Watch (Royal Highlanders)
Unit Text: 2nd Bn.
Date of Death: 12/11/1914
Service No: 9217
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: III. A. 55.
Cemetery: BETHUNE TOWN CEMETERY

SNWM:
Surname WILLIAMS
Firstname Charles
Service Number 9217
Date Death 12/11/1914
Place of birth Bridge of Allan Stirlingshire
Other 2nd Bn.
SNWM roll THE BLACK WATCH (ROYAL HIGHLANDERS)
Rank Pte
Theatre of death F.& F.

Note:
Although Charles Williams is listed on the memorial as having the middle initial 'J', this doesn't appear on either of the above database entries or on his Medal Card.
Also, on all three 'sources', he is listed as being 2nd Battalion rather that 1st Battalion.


Medal Card


The above Medal Card shows that Pte. Charles Williams died of wounds.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Note:
Although Charles Williams is listed on the memorial as having the middle initial 'J', this doesn't appear on either of the above database entries or on his Medal Card.
Also, on all three 'sources', he is listed as being 2nd Battalion rather that 1st Battalion.



Silly me, I don't know why I typed 1st when it clearly says 2nd on the War Memorial! That's what I get for doing all this detective work when I should be in my bed! It's just so difficult to stop when you're on a roll! Very Happy

As for the "J" - John - I have know this from his birth certificate. He was named Charles after his father and John was his grandfather. Charles Sr. was "adopted" by John as he was born illegitimate. Such a web Wink

Thank you again for posting all of this wonderful information! I'm sure Uncle Charlie is happy to know he's been "found"!

Cheers, Kelly Scottisheart
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not your mistake Kelly!

He is listed on the memorial as 1st Bn.

Anne
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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He is listed on the memorial as 1st Bn.


It may be that he was a former regular soldier with the 1st Black Watch since his regt. number looks like it was issued around 1902. So, he could have still been on the Reserve List on the outbreak of war and after a bit of training was sent out as a reinforcement for the 2nd Battalion.

Perhaps Kelly will know if he had any previous army experience.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Stuart,

I'm a total novice to all things military and wonder how Charlie's regiment number = 1902 issue.

I don't have any more info regarding CJW's previous army experience. Where would I find the information? I believe a great deal of the records were destroyed during WWII. Sad, as I know my Grandfather George (Charlie's brother) also served with the Black Watch before coming to Canada. Thankfully, I was able to obtain George's Canadian Attestation papers through our National Archives.

Cheers, Kelly Scottisheart */Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:54 pm    Post subject: Picture of Charles John Williams and his Acton Plaque Reply with quote

Could someone tell me if CJW is in Black Watch uniform? Thanks!





I hope this works!

Cheers, Kelly Scottisheart */:- )[/img]
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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2009 6:12 am    Post subject: Bridge of Allan War Memorial Reply with quote

Hi Anne, just to let you know that the re-dedication of the renovated Bridge of Allan War Memorial will take place on Saturday May 9th.
The parade will meet at Keir Street at approx. 10.30am marching off at 10.45am ,for the service at the Memorial park, at 11am. I will be there, I hope some of the forum members will attend. I will post the info to as many members as poss.

Willie.
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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2009 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fantastic news Willie!

Thanks for letting us know. I'll try my best to get there - I can't wait to see the 'after' having seen the 'before' and the 'before that'. Laughing

Kelly

Great pictures!

My knowledge of uniforms is minimal but I believe their sporrans were identifiable by 5 tassels.

Anne
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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now that the taxes are done...

Thanks, Anne! I figured CJW was wearing his Black Watch uniform...I'm going to check out the Black Watch site.

Keptie, thank you for the info regarding the BW forum. I didn't realize it was there. Hopefully, I'll be able to find out more about my Grandfather and Great Uncle's involvement with the BW.

Willie & Anne, I am absolutely GREEN with envy. I would LOVE to be there for the rededication of the Bridge of Allan War Memorial. If you or anyone you know is going to videotape it I would be thrilled to purchase a copy!

Have a great day! It's beautiful here in Colborne, Ontario, Canada!

Kelly Scottisheart */:- )
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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 10:06 pm    Post subject: Bridge of Allan Reply with quote

Have received a communication from Major (rtd) R C B Ritchie , Black Watch saying that he and a number of Argylls and Black Watch attended the Re Dedication Ceremony at Bridge of Allan War Memorial on Saturday 9 May 2009 .

It lists a number of Black Watch and Argylls as its the boundary area of the two Regiments being Perth & kinross and Stirlingshire ..


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Embarassed

I had completely forgotten about re-visiting Bridge of Allan a few months back!!

(I presume all the renovation work was done in time!!)







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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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