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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:28 pm    Post subject: Pte J. Graham Reply with quote

This man doesn't appear to be on the memorial and is certainly not in the roll of honour. He is not on SNWM.

I find it interesting he is noted as being buried in a specific cemetery, but commemorated upon a memorial also. Perhaps the location within the cemetery was lost?

Name: GRAHAM
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders
Unit Text: 12th Bn.
Secondary Regiment: Cameron Highlanders
Secondary Unit Text: attd. 2nd Bn.
Age: 23
Date of Death: 09/05/1919
Service No: S/10339
Additional information: Son of Robert and Janet Graham, of 84, Back Row, Selkirk.(buried Tiflis British Cemetery).
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Memorial: HAIDAR PASHA MEMORIAL

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Pte J. Graham Reply with quote

DelBoy wrote:
I find it interesting he is noted as being buried in a specific cemetery, but commemorated upon a memorial also. Perhaps the location within the cemetery was lost?


From the CWGC website

The HAIDAR PASHA MEMORIAL stands within the war graves plot of Haidar Pasha Cemetery and commemorates more than 30 Commonwealth servicemen of the First World War who died fighting in South Russia, Georgia and Azerbaijan, and in post Armistice operations in Russia and Transcaucasia, whose graves are not known. An Addenda panel was later added to commemorate over 170 Commonwealth casualties who are buried in cemeteries in South Russia and Transcaucasia* whose graves can longer be maintained. *Baku British Military Cemetery; Batoum British Cemetery; Batoum Russian CatholicCemetery; Erivan Armenian Cemetery; Krasnodar Officers' Cemetery; Novorossisk (Chaikovski) Old Cemetery; Novorossisk New Cemetery; Odessa British Cemetery; Rostov (Bratski) Cemetery; Sevastopol British Cemetery; Sevastopol Russian Cemetery; Shusha Armenian Cemetery; Tiflis British Cemetery; Vladikavkas Hospital Cemetery; Yalta Russian Cemetery.

I know they have also done this in India and Poland. The old original registers show the burials in the cemeteries.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also: http://wfol.tv/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2073

On November 8 Her Majesty's Ambassador to Georgia, His Excellency Denis Keefe, laid a wreath at the site of the British War Cemetery in Tbilisi during a short service. There were originally 107 Commonwealth war graves from the First World War in Georgia, of which sixty-six were in the Batumi British Military Cemetery and 39 in Tbilisi. Following the First World War the burial sites became inaccessible and the decision was taken to commemorate the casualties on the Haidar Pasha Memorial, Istanbul.

In 1996 the change in the political situation enabled the Commonwealth War Graves Commission to re-enter Georgia. It did not prove possible to locate graves but there was evidence that some of the burial areas had been maintained by the local population. To acknowledge the local interest in 2000 the Commission erected a small commemorative plaque in what was known to be the vicinity of Tbilisi British Cemetery.

The casualties buried in Georgia include members of the British Army, the Royal Navy and the Indian Army who died during the allied intervention against Bolsheviks during the period 1918 to 1920.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 12:39 am    Post subject: design info Reply with quote

Designed by Sir Robert Lorimer at the estimated cost of £3,500.



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No disrespect to Selkirk but £3500 for the memorial seems quite extravagant given that the likes of Maxwelltown was less than £1000.
The cost is an eye opener.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would be worth contrasting the costs for Selkirk with somewhere like Kelso which has a similar style of memorial.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 4:50 pm    Post subject: Pte. Adam Watson Reply with quote

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Watson, Adam, Royal H. - 1914

(Glasgow Herald 20th December 1914)
"Information has been received in Selkirk that Private Adam Watson, 42nd Black Watch, was killed in action in France on October 31 last, Private Watson was the eldest son of Mr Adam Waton, Tailor, High Street, Selkirk, and was called up as a reservist on the outbreak of the war. He served with his regiment in India, and was also through the South African War. He was about 35 years of age."

CWGC
WATSON, ADAM
Rank: Private
Service No: 7820
Date of Death: 31/10/1914
Age: 35
Regiment/Service: Black Watch (Royal Highlanders) 1st Bn.
Panel Reference: Panel 37.
Memorial: YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL
Additional Information: Son of Adam and Cathrine Watson, of 37, High St., Selkirk.

SNWM
Surname: WATSON
Firstname: Adam
Service Number: 7820
Date Death: 31/10/1914
Place of birth: Selkirk
Other: 1st Bn.
SNWM roll: THE BLACK WATCH (ROYAL HIGHLANDERS)
Rank: Pte


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:36 am    Post subject: Pte. James French Milligan Reply with quote

DerekR wrote:
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Surname: MILLIGAN
Firstname: James French
Service Number: S/10483
Date Death: 06/03/1915
Place of birth: Selkirk
Other: 1st Bn.
SNWM roll: THE QUEEN'S OWN CAMERON HIGHLANDERS
Rank: Pte
Theatre of death: F.& F.


CWGC
MILLIGAN, JAMES FRENCH
Rank: Private
Service No: S/10483
Date of Death: 06/03/1915
Age: 22
Regiment/Service: Cameron Highlanders 1st Bn.
Grave Reference: II. A. 13.
Cemetery: LE TOURET MILITARY CEMETERY, RICHEBOURG-L'AVOUE
Additional Information: Son of James and Jane Milligan, of Cannon St., Selkirk.

(Glasgow Herald 12th March 1915)
"Intelligence reaches Selkirk yesterday that Private James French Milligan, 1st Battalion Cameron Highlanders, had been killed in action. The news was sent to the Rev. George Lawson, minister of Selkirk, by a companion of Private Milligan, who stated that his chum had been shot through the head, and that he had died without regaining consciousness. Private Milligan, who was the son of Mr James Milligan, foreman, coal depot, Selkirk Co-operative Society, residing at Bridge Street, joined the Highlanders as a recruit in September last, and was drafted to the front in January. He was a prominent member of Selkirk Association Football Club, and played several seasons at half back. Private Milligan was, however, better known as a cricketer, and was one of the most promising all-round players in the first eleven of the Selkirk club. In local sporting circles he was extremely popular. Prior to enlisting he was employed in one of the Selkirk factories, and was about 23 years of age."

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 6:36 am    Post subject: John Ronald Seth Pringle-Pattison 2nd Lt Gordon Highlanders Reply with quote

John Ronald Seth Pringle-Pattison 2nd Lt 2nd Gordon Highlanders born Edinburgh Killed in Action F & F 05-Sep-16 Son of Professor Andrew Seth Pringle-Pattison & Eva Seth Pringle-Pattison, 16 Churchhill, Edinburgh. 1901 Census: b 1898. Officers Book page 167. Merchiston Castle School, Edinburgh. Panel 5. St Cuthbert’s Great War Memorial Chapel, Edinburgh. Delville Wood Cemetery, Longueval Fr 0402 Plot II Row A Grave 4 Selkirk & St Cuthbert's Edinburgh
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 6:51 am    Post subject: James Hastie Pte Gordon Highlanders died 1914 info needed Reply with quote

James Hastie Pte S/7345 1st Gordon Highlanders born Edrom, Berwick. enlisted Aberdeen Killed in Action F & F 14-Dec-14 Menin Gate Memorial, Ypres M. R. 29 Panel 38
Could this be him in the 1901 Census?
Name: James R Hastie
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Philip Hastie
Mother's Name: Margaret Hastie
Gender: Male
Where born: Edrom, Berwick
Registration Number: 778
Registration district: Selkirk
Civil parish: Selkirk
County: Selkirkshire
Address: Cannon St
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 3:06 pm    Post subject: Pte 42826 George Screen, 14th Bn HLI Reply with quote

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Name: SCREEN, GEORGE
Initials: G
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Highland Light Infantry
Unit Text: 14th Bn
Secondary Regiment: King's Own Scottish Borderers
Secodary Unit Text: formerly (9050) [MIC shows 6937]
Age: 37
Date of Death: 24/04/1917
Service No: 42826
Additional information: Son of the late John and Isabella Screen, of 12, Dunsdalehaugh; husband of Sarah Elizabeth Dunn Screen (nee Mathieson), of 14, Dunsdalehaugh, Selkirk.
Grave/Memorial Reference: Pier and Face 15 C.
Cemetery: THIEPVAL MEMORIAL

SNWM
Surname: SCREEN
Firstname: George
Service Number: 42826
Date of Death: 24/04/1917
Place of birth: Selkirk
Other: 14th Bn formerly 9050 K.O.S.B. [MIC shows 6937]
SNWM roll: THE HIGHLAND LIGHT INFANTRY
Rank: Pte

MARTIN SCREEN was born on 1st August, 1879, at 17 Dunsdalehaugh, Selkirk, Selkirkshire, Scotland.
His parents were John Screen, a woolen factory worker, and Isabella Lamb or Screen.

His parents were married on 31st December, 1866, at Selkirk, Selkirkshire.
His paternal grandparents were Malachi Screen, a labourer, and Mary Mulholland or Screen.
His maternal grandparents were Walter Lamb, a gardener, and Ann Douglas or Lamb.

In the 1881 census, Martin Screen then age 1, was living with his family at 17 Dunsdalehaugh, Selkirk.
In the 1891 census, Martin Screen then age 12, was living with his family at 12 A Dunsdalehaugh, Selkirk.
In the 1901 census, Martin Screen then age 21, was living with his family at 12 Dunsdalehaugh, Selkirk.

On 19th April, 1907, George Martin Screen, age 27, and Sarah Elizabeth Dunn Mathieson, age 28, were married at The Manse, Selkirk.

A daughter Margaret Oliver Screen was born on 30th March, 1908, at 5 Dunsdalehaugh, Selkirk.
Four (4) children named Screen were born in Selkirk between 1907 (marriage) and 1917 (death).
Two (2) are not available online.
Isabella Lamb Screen, born in 1912, is a good candidate as ‘Isabella Lamb’ is George’s mother’s name.
The fourth (4th) named Mary Scott Screen is not a child of George and Sarah Screen.

In the 1911 census for Selkirk, George Screen, now age 31, his wife Sarah and daughter Margaret O., are living at 37 Back Row, Selkirk.

MARTIN SCREEN had several uncles and cousins who were all named MARTIN SCREEN.
On his marriage record in 1907 he is shown using the name GEORGE MARTIN SCREEN.
On his daughter's birth record in 1908 he is shown using the name GEORGE MARTIN SCREEN.
On the 1911 census he is shown using the name GEORGE SCREEN.
His MIC and the 'Service Returns' (Army Form W 3231) show his name as GEORGE SCREEN.
There is no known relative of his who was named George, so maybe he chose that to distinguish himself from all those other relatives known as Martin.

George Screen, Robert Lang (my grandfather), and 10 others died on 24th April, 1917, at Villers-Plouich, France.

George Screen was 37 years and 8 months old on 24th April, 1917.

The following link is to a website dedicated to the 14th Battalion HLI and the specific page for George Screen:
http://www.14hli.co.uk/died/screen.html
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 5:18 am    Post subject: Pte. Thomas Hogg Reply with quote

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Hogg, Thomas. Private - 1914-15

(Glasgow herald 4th May 1915)
"Lance Corporal Thomas Hogg, 2nd K.O.S.B., has been wounded in the leg during the recent fighting round Hill 60. Hogg, who was called up as a Reservist on the outbreak of the war, has been at the front since August 11. While in Selkirk he was prominently identified with Selkirk ex-soldiers association."

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HOGG, THOMAS
Rank: Private
Service No: 7721
Date of Death: 20/04/1915
Age: 31
Regiment/Service:King's Own Scottish Borderers "D" Coy. 2nd Bn.
Grave Reference: VIII. A. 6.
Cemetery: BOULOGNE EASTERN CEMETERY
Additional Information: Son of Mrs. Agnes Hogg (nee Donnoughie).

SNWM
Surname: HOGG
Firstname: Thomas
Service Number: 7721
Date Death: 20/04/1915
Place of birth: Selkirk
Other: 2nd Bn.
SNWM roll: THE KING'S OWN SCOTTISH BORDERERS
Rank: Pte
Theatre of death: F.& F.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NICHOL, WILLIAM SCOTT

Rank:
Lance Corporal
Service No:
39496
Date of Death:
24/08/1918
Age:
35
Regiment/Service:
Royal Scots

12th Bn.
Grave Reference
K. 32.
Cemetery
ST. HILAIRE CEMETERY EXTENSION, FREVENT

Additional Information:

Husband of Mrs. Nichol, of 5, Dunsdale Haugh, Selkirk.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DUNDAS, JAMES STRATHERN.
Rank:Captain
Service No:100912
Date of Death:25/09/1944
Regiment/Service:King's Own Scottish Borderers 7th (Airborne) Bn.
Grave Reference2. C. 3.
Cemetery ARNHEM OOSTERBEEK WAR CEMETERY

Second-in-Command, B Company. Killed on the penultimate day of the Battle of Arnhem.
Thought to be the son of William and Jess (Macintosh) Dundas of Selkirk.
Husband of Edith Isabel (Walker) Dundas who he married in 1942 in Johnston, Dumfries.


MURRAY, ALEXANDER DONALD MILLES.
Rank:Lieutenant
Service No:311345
Date of Death:18/09/1944
Age:19
Regiment/Service:King's Own Scottish Borderers 7th (Airborne) Bn.
Grave Reference16. C. 18.
Cemetery ARNHEM OOSTERBEEK WAR CEMETERY
Additional Information:
Son of Brigadier Cyril Alexander Murray, formerly of The King's Own Scottish Borderers, and Marjorie Lilias Murray (nee Milles), of Selkirk. Prefect and Head of House (Bramston's), Winchester College, 1943.

Officer Commanding, 5 Platoon (B Company) Killed on the 2nd day of the Battle of Arnhem.


TYSON, JOHN.
Rank:Private
Service No:3189065
Date of Death:22/09/1944
Age:20
Regiment/Service:King's Own Scottish Borderers 7th (Airborne) Bn.
Panel ReferencePanel 4.
MemorialGROESBEEK MEMORIAL

Killed on the 6th day of the Battle of Arnhem.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This memorial has been damaged by vandals recently

http://www.selkirkweekendadvertiser.co.uk/news/local-news/laugh-out-loud-1-3148606

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