The Scottish Military Research Group - Commemorations Project

KevinStoke · . Joined: 09 Jan 2007 Posts: 175

phoned round the spl clubs to see had memorials to their fallen. Listed below are the clubs who have.

Kevin

All the money in football and not one have a memorial in the club, the nearest I got was the jam tarts who have a memorial at the Haymarket in Edinburgh.

Adam Brown · Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 8:26 pm Post subject:

Kevin

That's just the SPL. What about other clubs?

Adam

DerekR · Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 8:39 pm Post subject:

Quite unbelievable - why don't they have memorials?
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KevinStoke · . Joined: 09 Jan 2007 Posts: 175

Let me do some more phoning round from Monday, being that the schools are off and I will come back with my findings.

Kevin

David McNay · Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:59 am Post subject:

It is of course entirely possible that some of the clubs lost no members of either the playing or administrative staff, hence them having no memorial. I don't believe Aberdeen lost anyone. That would seem a reasonable explanation why they have no memorial.

I also think its slightly unfair to say none of the SPL clubs have a memorial. Hearts do have one. It's in Haymarket and the entire club, both players and officials lay a wreath every Remembrance Sunday. They had a game in Aberdeen one Remembrance Sunday a few years back and they applied to have the game postponed so they could lay their wreath.

KevinStoke · . Joined: 09 Jan 2007 Posts: 175

Hi David, I did highlight that the jam tarts have a memorial in the Haymarket but nothing in the ground.

I am not sure if its to the Hearts players and Hearts players alone or if the names of the players are on a larger memorial to some of Edinburgh's fallen.

DerekR · Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:19 am Post subject:

Kevin,
The Haymarket memorial is to the Hearts men alone

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weejock · Joined: 09 Feb 2007 Posts: 15 Location: SUNNY GLESGA

Hello Kevinstokes
Just joined the forum and noticed your post on Celtic FC. I have for the past 4 years been bombarding Celtic with letters to recoqnise the players who served and died during the Great War including William Angus who won the VC.
I have had all Newpapers onto them and even MP's and they have promised and promised and promised to do something for years BUT still NOTHING.
Here is a copy of ONE of the articles on my fight to get them into gear and do something......

As you can see they promised to do something but .....
As for the SPL and SFA ... I never even got a reply to my letters about a memorial for the fallen. Maybe we should get out heads together for a "Final Assault" on the club!!
weejock

ps Kevinstokes are you related to the Stokes from the gorbals who run the JAMES STOKES VC Celtic Supporters bus?

DerekR · Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 12:49 pm Post subject:

The Scottish Rugby Union has a memorial at Murrayfield to the Scottish rugby players who fell so why couldn't the SFA manage the same?
Shame on them after 90 years I would say.

Weejock:
Kevin has also been plugging away at Celtic for a while now, so combined, I'm sure you could rattle them in a pincer attack. Wink

Kevin lives in Stoke now hence the name - don't give him grounds to think that he's related to a VC winner or we'll never hear the end of it. Shocked

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weejock · Joined: 09 Feb 2007 Posts: 15 Location: SUNNY GLESGA

So there will be no relation then!! Embarassed

Thanks DerekR .... looking forward to visiting the site as much as possible.

KevinStoke · . Joined: 09 Jan 2007 Posts: 175

V.C. in my family, I dont think any of us has a C.V. never mind a V.C. lol

Just gone on the Earl Haig site and searched for clubs who had players killed during the war.

Having phoned round the likes of Kilmarnock, Raith Rovers, Dunfermline, Falkirk, etc. the answer to clubs except for Hearts who have a memorial at present is a big fat 0.

Hopefully but doubtfully myphone calls make waves.

David McNay · Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:05 am Post subject:

Can we actually eastablish which clubs actually lost members of staff?

There's no point pestering clubs which have no justification for a memorial.

David McNay · Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:19 am Post subject:

Another point worth noting is that Dundee United only began to operate under that name in 1923 (previous to that they were Dundee Hibernian) so they will be unlikely to have a memorial under that name.

KevinStoke · . Joined: 09 Jan 2007 Posts: 175

Ayr 4
Celtic 7 possibly more
Clyde 2
Kilmarnock 7
Raith Rovers 4
Rangers 4 plus 2 sons of a director
Hearts (cant find a true number)

weejock · Joined: 09 Feb 2007 Posts: 15 Location: SUNNY GLESGA

Hello Kevin.
During the great War the 'Tic had about 57 club members serving with the colours
The football players KIA during WW1 with links to Celtic FC I have so far are ...
Sgt Pat Slaven 2nd Batt Royal Scots KIA Nov 1916

L/Cpl W Strang

L/Cpl Liegh R Roose MM 9th Royal Scots, goalkeeper.
(Welsh International) KIA Oct 1916

Pte M Gilhooly

Pte H Gillford

Pte Robert Craig 5th South Wales Borders. 13 games , full back 1906/9 KIA April 1918

Pte Peter Johnstone 6th Batt Seaforths. played 223 games won 6 leagues titles in a row with Celtic. his body was never recovered and is remembered on the Arras Memorial

Pte Donny Mcleod RFA 115 games as a full back 1902/8 KIA October 1917

Pte John McLaughlin 11 th Batt HLI KIA May 1917

Pte Archie McMillan 1/7th Argyll's made his team debut agaianst Rangers 1913. KIA November 1917

Died in War Service...
Pte Frank D Kelly.(son of James Kelly)

and as a matter of interest Willie Maley's brother Thomas Maley was also killed in action.
During WW2 they had about 45 members of Staff who served with the colours.
Joe McCulloch serving with the RSF was killed in action in WW2, He won a Charity Cup medal with the 'Tic against the Gers. J MCCoen serving with the RAF was killed in a plane crash in the UK.
They also had a player PteT McGuire who served in the 2nd Afghan War and during the Boer War they had the Devlin brothers John and James serving along with a Pte J king and a Pte A Lynch.
As well as ex playerL/Cpl Willie Angus winning the VC, Sgt George Downie who also won the VC with the Dubliners was also on the 'Tic books before the war and worked as a gateman for many years after the war, There is a pic somewhere of the first team with george in the line up,
I DONT think you'll find many football clubs with more members than the 'Tic who served the British Empire!!

weejock