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alexmaclennan · Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:07 pm Post subject: Kilbirnie WM Inscription

Kilbirnie War Memorial Park Gates
Memorial Inscription and Additional details
This is what I submitted to UKNIWM

Kilbirnie War Memorial Park Gates, Kilbirnie Public Park, Holmhead, Kilbirnie, KA25 6BP

Map Refn NS314538

Another Transcription of Names of Fallen
http://www.happyhaggis.co.uk/ayrshire-kilbirnie.htm

WW1 names of fallen on two plaques either side of gate. Plaques have two columns each. Names arranged alphabetically by surname. Surname, forename , middle initial, decoration and regiment or unit given. Rank, place and date of death not given.

Left hand Plaque, Column 1

ABBOTT, JAMES. R.S.F.
ADAMS, FRANCIS. R.S.F.
ALLAN, MARSHALL. R.S.F.
ALLWELL, ALFRED. A.S.C.
ANDERSON, JAMES. R.S.F.
ANDREWS, ROBERT. C.I.F.
BAIRD, MATTHEW 2.D.G.
BAIRD, WM. A. R.S.F.
BARBOUR, JOHN. R.S.F.
BARCLAY, ROBERT. MER.M.
BELL, ANDREW. R.S.F.
BELL, GEORGE. R.S.F.
BELL, WM. R.S.F.
BELL, WM. R.A.M.C.
BINGHAM, JOHN. R.S.F.
BLACKWOOD, DAVID. A.I.Y.
BOYCE, ANDREW. R.S.
BOYD, ANDREW. R.E.
BOYLE, JAMES. R.S.F.
BRANNAN, JAMES. R.E.
BRODIE, HUGH. C.I.F.
BRYCE, ANDREW. R.S.F.
COCHRANE, HUGH. R.F.A.
COLLIGAN, ARTHUR. K.O.S.B.
COLLINS, NEIL S.R.
CONNEL, JAMES. R.S.F.
CONNEL, ROBERT. R.S.F.
CRAWFORD, HUGH A. A.&S.H.
COULTER, WM. A.S.C.
DAVIDSON, JAMES. R.S.F.
DICKIE, ALLAN. R.S.F.
DICKIE, DAVID. R.E.
DOCHERTY,THOMAS. R.E.
FOTHERINGHAM, HUGH G. C.I.F.
FOTHERINGHAM, JOHN. S.H.
FYFE, COLIN. R.S.F.
GARDNER, JAMES R.S.F.
GILLESPIE, HUGH M.M. C.I.F.
GLASS, ROBERT. R.S.F.
GLEN, DAVID R. R.S.F.

Left hand Plaque, Column 2

GOLLOGLY, HUGH A.&S.H.
GRAHAM, ARCHD. R.S.F.
GRAHAM, DAVID CAM. H.
GRAHAM, GEORGE M.M. A.&S.H.
GRAHAM, JAMES CAM. H.
GRAHAM, ROBERT. R.S.F.
GREENAN, WM. ROY. FUS
HAMILTON, WM. R.S.F.
HANNAH, CHARLES. R.S.F.
HANNAH, PATRICK. R.S.F.
HEENAN, HUGH. R.S.
HENDERSON, WM. R.A.F.
HENDERSON, WM. S.R.
HILL, ALEX. S.H.
HODGART, JAMES R.S.F.
HOOD, JAMES R.S.
HOOD, JOHN. R.S.F.
HOOD, SAMUEL R.S.
HOUSTON, JOHN C. M.G.C.
HOUSTON, WM. H.L.I.
HOWIE, JAMES. R.F.A.
HOWLETT, ARTHUR. R.S.F.
HUGHES, JOSEPH. R.F.A.
HUNTER, JAMES. R.F.A.
HUNTER, WM. H.L.I.
JACKSON, GEORGE. R.S.F.
JAMIESON, JOHN CAM. H.
KAY, HUGH. N.Z.I.F.
KERR, DUNCAN McL. S.R.
KERR, MATTHEW A.W. H.L.I.
KERR, ROBERT W. R.S.F.
KNOX, MATTHEW C.I.F.
KNOX, WM. CAM. H. & R.F.C.
LAW, JOHN. A.S.C.
LAW, ROBERT W. A.&S.H.
LEWIS, MORGAN H. R.S.F.
LOCKHART, HARRY. CAM. H.
LOGAN, JAMES. A.S.C.
LOGAN, JOHN. R.S.F.
LOGAN, JOHN. S.R.

Right hand Plaque, Column 1

MACFARLANE, JAS. M. R.H.
MACKIE, ANDREW. R.S.F.
MACKIE, JAMES. R.H.
MARSHALL, GRAHAM. C.I.F.
MENZIES, JOHN. R.S.
MOCHRIE, ANDREW. S.R.
MOCHRIE, JAMES G.H.
MOCHRIE, MATTHEW. S.R.
MOCHRIE, ROBERT. R.S.F.
MURDOCH, JOHN. R.S.F.
MURPHY, JAMES. R.I.F.
MURRAY, ROBERT. R.S.F.
McALLISTER, JOHN. R.S.F.
McAULEY, JAMES. R.H.
McBRIDE, MICHAEL. R.S.
McCABE, ARCHD. R.S.F.
McCABE, JOHN. R.S.F.
McCABE, TERENCE. R.S.F.
McCARTNEY, THOMAS. A.&S.H.
McCONNEL, JOHN. R.S.F.
McCOSH, JOHN. CAM. H.
McCRACKEN, GEORGE. R.S.F.
McCREATH, WM. S.R.
McDOUGALL, DUNCAN. R.S.F.
McDOUGALL, JOHN. H.L.I.
McEWAN, WM. R.S.F.
McGRATH ,DANIEL R.S.F.
McGUINESS, GEORGE. R.S.F.
McINALLY, ARTHUR. R.S.F.
McIVOR, ROBERT. R.S.F.
McKAY, HUGH. R.S.F.
McKEEMAN, GEORGE. R.S.F.
McKEEMAN, ROBERT. M.R.
McKELVIE, THOMAS R.S.
McKENZIE, DONALD. CAM. H.
McKINLAY, FRANCIS R.S.F.
McMILLAN, CHARLES A.I.F.
McMILLLAN, DANIEL. A.I.F.
McMURDO, Wm. R.S.F.
McQUEEN, WM. G. R.F.A.

Right hand Plaque, Column 2

NELSON, ROBERT. R.S.F.
PARK, GEORGE D.C.M. R.E.
PARTRIDGE, THOMAS. R.F.A.
PORTER, ROBERT. H.L.I.
PURDIE, HENRY. R.W.F.
QUIGLEY, THOMAS. S.H.
QUINN. WM. R.S.F.
REID, ADAM. CAM. H.
REID, THOMAS M. H.L.I.
REID, WM. R.S.
RETSON, THOMAS B. A.S.C.
RILEY, WM. R.E.
RITCHIE, ALEX. CAM. H.
ROBERTSON, ALEX. R.S.
SEMPLE, THOMAS. A.S.C.
SHAKEVICH, ANDREW. R.S.F.
SIMPSON, JAMES. R.S.F.
SIMPSON, WM. R.S.F.
SMITH, ANDREW. A.&S.H.
SMITH, PETER McC. C.H.
STEVENSON, WM. R.S.F.
STEWART, JAMES. A.I.F.
STREET, ARTHUR. R.S.F.
THOMSON, JOHN. CAM. H.
TOMLINSON, GEORGE. A.I.F.
TURNER, ANDREW. R.S.F.
WALKER, ALEX. R.S.F.
WALKER, HUGH. ROY. FUS.
WALKER, WM. B. LON. SC.
WARD, MICHAEL. R.S.F.
WARK, JAMES. A.&S.H.
WATERS, MICHAEL. R.S.F.
WATT, ROBERT U.S.A.F.
WATT, WM. U.S.A.F.
WEIR, FRANK. R.H.
WHITELAW, CHARLES. M.G.C.
WILLIS, DAVID. R.S.F.
WILLIS, WM. CAM. H.
WRIGHT, JAMES C. SC. GUARDS.

WW2 names of fallen on two plaques either side of gate. Plaques have one columns each. Names arranged alphabetically by surname. Surname, forename , middle initial, decoration and regiment or unit given. Rank, place and date of death not given.

Left hand Plaque

ANDERSON, ROBT. P.R.
BANNON, PATRICK. P.C.
BAXTER, DAVID W. R.N.
BEATTIE, JAMES S,H,
BOYD, ALEX. S.H.
BRECKENRIDGE, ROBT. W.K. R.S.F.
BRODIE, ROBT. R.A.S.C.
BURNS, GAVIN, P. P.R.
CALDERWOOD, ADAM. S.H.
CAMPBELL, GEORGE B. R.S.F.
CARDWELL, DAVID. S.H.
CARSON, SAMUEL. R.A.F.
CLARKSON, GAVIN B. G.H.
CLARKSON, WM. B. R.A.F.
CONNELLY, JOHN. R.N.
COWAN, DAVID. P.R.
CRAIG, JAMES A. R.A.F.
CRAIG, ROBT. R.A.F.
CURLET, WM. R.A.F.
DAVIDSON, WM. J. A. & S.H.
DICKIE, JOHN. R.N.
FYFE, JOHN. M.N.
GALT, WILLIAM. M.N.
GLASGOW, GEORGE. R.A.F.
GORDON, WM. M. R.A.
GRAHAM, JAMES R. R.A.F.
GRAY, GORDON S. R.A.

Right hand Plaque

HAMILTON WM. P. R.A.F.
HILL, JAMES A.P. R.A.F.
KENNEDY, DAVID. R.N.
McCLURE, ANDREW. S.G.
McFADYEN, WM. R.N.
McGLONE, PATRICK R.A.F.
McKEEMAN, H.M. R.A.M.C.
McKIM, DANIEL. S.H.
McKIM, WILLIAM R.N.
McLAREN, JAMES McI. R.A.F.
MALCOLM, JAMES A. R.A.F.
MARSHALL, JANET W. W.A.A.F.
MARTIN, JAS. CAMERONIANS
MARTIN, ROBT. D.L.I.
MILLER, ANDREW B. M.N.
MILLER, THOMAS W. R.N.
MORRISON, JAMES C.H.
NELSON, ADAM J.C. H.L.I.
PARK, ARTHUR H. R.C.S.
SHAW, THOMAS R.S.F.
SMITH, ERNEST A.J. A. & S.H.
STRAIN, ANDREW W. K.O.S.B.
THOMSON, SAMUEL O.R.R
TOD, WILLIAM H.L.I.
TURNBULL, ALLAN S.H.
WALKER, ANDREW G.H.
WALLACE, NEIL R.C.S.

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dhubthaigh · Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:47 pm Post subject:

Name: WATTERS, MATTHEW
Initials: M
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Corporal
Regiment/Service: Royal Scots Fusiliers
Unit Text: "A" Coy. 1st/5th Bn.
Age: 21
Date of Death: 12/07/1915
Service No: 7310
Additional information: Son of Mr. and Mrs. Henry Watters, of 33, Cairntable, Patna, Ayrshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 72 to 75.
Memorial: HELLES MEMORIAL

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dhubthaigh · Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:20 pm Post subject:

How about this one;

Surname McIVER
Firstname Robert
Service Number 12652
Date Death 02/07/1916
Decoration
Place of birth Johnstone Renfrewshire
Other 2nd Bn.
SNWM roll THE ROYAL SCOTS FUSILIERS
Rank Pte
Theatre of death F.& F.

Name: McIVER, ROBERT
Initials: R
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Royal Scots Fusiliers
Unit Text: 2nd Bn.
Date of Death: 02/07/1916
Service No: 12652
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Pier and Face 3 C.
Memorial: THIEPVAL MEMORIAL

Although

Enlisted: Ayr
Residence: Newmains, Lanarkshire

dhubthaigh · Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:34 pm Post subject:

A Thomas Docherty died 22nd January 1917, aged 20, at 6 Avils Pl, Kilbirnie of vascular disease of heart.

dhubthaigh · Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:40 pm Post subject:

Michael Watters did not appear to have an MIC, not for RSF anyway. Tried a few different spellings of the surname.

There is a death entry for Michael Watters in Kilbirnie in 1918. The only one in Scotland that could be a possibility.

Watters died 25th October 1918, aged 27, at 39 London Street, Kilbirnie of influenza.

Strangely it usually makes reference to "Army Pensioner' or 'Previously seved....'

An obituary or death notice in the paper could provide the answer.

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Adam Brown · Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:29 pm Post subject:

From RCAHMS
http://www.rcahms.gov.uk/pls/portal/newcanmore.newcandig_details_gis?inumlink=206573 (Link will only work if you have registered with Canmore)

Kilbirnie, Holmhead, War Memorial Gateway
Alternative Names: B780
Type of Site: War Memorial
NMRS Number: NS35SW 87
Map reference: NS 3144 5379
Parish: Kilbirnie
Council: North Ayrshire
Former District: Cunninghame
Former Region: Strathclyde

From UKNIWM
UKNIWM Ref: 9675
http://www.ukniwm.org.uk/server/show/conMemorial.9675/fromUkniwmSearch/1

Kilbirnie Park Gate

Address
Public Park
Kilbirnie
STRATHCLYDE
SCOTLAND
KA25

Type: GATE
Other Location Details: Off main thoroughfare at Newhouse

OS Map Ref: NS 300 540

Inscription
1914 PRO PATRIA MORTUI 1919
(names on plaques)

Components
Component Material(s)
GATES - STONE
PLAQUES - STONE

Physical Description
Neo-Greek memorial gate with four bronze plaques listing names of WW1 and WW2 dead. Wreaths have been carved on each side. Atop gates are two carved stone torches.

Wars Commemorated & People Remembered
FIRST WORLD WAR
Total names on memorial: 159
Died 159
Is this an exact count? Yes, an exact count
How are the names ordered? surname
What information is listed on the memorial? surname, regiment, forename

SECOND WORLD WAR
Total names on memorial: 54
Served & Returned 0
Died 54
Is this an exact count? Yes, an exact count
How are the names ordered? surname
What information is listed on the memorial? surname, regiment, forename
Is a list of names on the memorial held by the UKNIWM? Yes

Maintenance History: Photo from unveiling shows glass torches atop gate, probably with real lights, which have since been replaced by carved stone torches.

Ceremonies
Date: 07 October 1922
Role Performed By
UNVEILING Major General Sir Charles Mathew
DEDICATION LOCAL CLERGY/DIGNITARIES

Craftsmen
Name
James Houston DESIGNER

References
Co-ordinator's Comments: Seventeen acre park opened with dedication of gate.

Roxy · Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:35 am Post subject: The Scotsman - 22 Jan 08

The Kilbirnie War Memorial got a mention in yesterday's 'Scotsman' and 'Scottish Daily Mail'. The story was how the 3 Mochrie brothers died on the opening day of the Battle of Loos - 25 Sep 15 - and that a 4th brother also died at Arras in 1917.

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/scotland/Brothers-who-died-in-one.3695660.jp

Roxy

I couldn't find a link to the Mail story - it was similar.

Another (presumably unrelated) Mochrie also died on 25 sep 15!

Name: MOCHRIE, THOMAS
Initials: T
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Royal Scots
Unit Text: 2nd Bn.
Date of Death: 25/09/1915
Service No: 20896
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 11.
Memorial: YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL
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Remembering my ggf, Pte Thomas Roberts, 10 SR, killed 25 Sep 15 at Loos.
Also remembering Flt Lt Al Squires and CXX/3 killed 2 Sep 06 in Afghanistan.

dhubthaigh · Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 5:56 pm Post subject: Re: The Scotsman - 22 Jan 08