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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 10:44 pm    Post subject: Old Kilpatrick Reply with quote

Old Kilpatrick - Clydebank District

The Old Kilpatrick war memorial is a granite cross on a tapering rustic pedestal. The names of the fallen are on bronze plaques set into the face of the pedestal. The monument stands in gardens just off the main road below the Erskine Bridge.




WWI ROLL OF HONOUR:
Anton Alexander
Boyd Thomas
Breslin Patrick
Cameron Lewis
Connelly James
Davidson James
Dollar James
Dunn John
Edminston John
Ferguson Patrick
Filshie James
Fitzsimmons James M.
Foster Malcolm
Gallacher Edward
Gray James Picken
Green Robert
Greer Gilbert T.
Grier William
Hendry Daniel J.
Hogg Gordon
Jack John
Keith James
Kempton John
Kempton Thomas
Kennedy Kenneth
Kennedy Matthew
Kerr Robert
Laing Alexander
Lazzerini Torello
MacIlroy Harry
MacKenzie John R.
McColgan William
McCully Thomas
McHappie William J.
McKellar Archibald
McLauchlin Patrick
McPherson George
Miller John
Mitchell David W.
Mulgrew John
Newlands Robert
Pert Robert West
Roche Joseph
Shevlin Patrick
Sinclair Daniel
Smith Harry Gordon
Stewart William
Struthers Robert M.
Younger Alexander



WWII ROLL OF HONOUR:
Adams David
Barclay John
Collier Thomas P.
Darlington Frank
Dewar Peter H.
Findlay James A.
Greer James
Inglis William
Jones John H.
Jones Ronald J.
Laing Robert
McDougall Walter
McEwan John S.
McEwan Thomas
McGarrity Joseph
McIver Alan D.
McLaren Edward
McLaren John
McLaughlin Edward
McPherson John McL.
Mulgrew Edward
Munn James
Nicolson Andrew
Rennie Andrew
Scott Charles
Scott Samuel S.
Sinclair James G.
Smith Sidney S.
Wilson John
Young Andrew
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 6:10 am    Post subject: Old Kilpatrick WM Inscription Reply with quote

This is what I recorded and submitted to the UKNIWM

1.Upper brass panel with dedication then names by surname in three columns. Forename (s) then Surname given. Rank, decorations, regiment/service and place of death not given

Dedication

IN MEMORY OF THE MEN OF OLD KILPATRICK WHO
GAVE THEIR LIVES FOR KING AND COUNTRY. 1914~1919

Column 1
ALEXANDER ANTON.
THOMAS BOYD.
PATRICK BRESLIN.
LEWIS CAMERON.
JAMES CONNELLY.
JAMES DAVIDSON.
JAMES DOLLAR.
JOHN DUNN.
JOHN EDMINSTON.
PATRICK FERGUSON.
JAMES FILSHIE.
JAMES M. FITZSIMMONS.
MALCOLM FOSTER.
EDWARD GALLACHER.
JAMES PICKEN GRAY.
ROBERT GREEN.

Column 2
GILBERT T. GREER.
WILLIAM GRIER.
DANIEL J. HENDRY.
GORDON HOGG.
JOHN JACK.
JAMES KEITH.
JOHN KEMPTON.
THOMAS KEMPTON.
KENNETH KENNEDY
MATTHEW KENNEDY.
ROBERT KERR.
ALEXANDER LAING.
TORELLO LAZERINI.
HARRY MAGILROY.
WILLIAM McCOLGAN.
THOMAS McCULLY.
ROBERT NEWLANDS.

Column 3
WILLIAM J. Mc HAFFIE.
ARCHIBALD McKELLAR.
PATRICK McLAUGHLIN.
GEORGE McPHERSON.
JOHN MILLER.
DAVID W. MITCHELL.
JOHN MULGREW.
ROBERT WEST PERT.
JOSEPH ROCHE.
PATRICK SHEVLIN.
DANIEL SINCLAIR.
HARRY GORDON SMITH.
WILLLIAM STEWART.
ROBERT M. STRUTHERS.
ALEXANDER YOUNGER.
JOHN R. MACKENZIE


2. Lower brass panel with dedication then names by surname in three
columns. Forename (s) then Surname given. Rank, decorations,
regiment/service and place of death not given

Dedication

NAMES OF LOCAL MEN WHO MADE THE
SUPREME SACRIFICE IN THE 1939~45 WAR

Column 1
DAVID ADAMS.
JOHN BARCLAY.
THOMAS P. COLLIER.
PETER H. DEWAR.
FRANK DARLINGTON.
JAMES A. FINDLAY.
JAMES GREER.
WILLIAM INGLIS.
JOHN H. JONES.
RONALD J.JONES.

Column 2
ROBERT LAING.
EDWARD MULGREW.
JAMES MUNN.
WALTER McDOUGALL.
THOMAS McEWAN.
EDWARD McLAUGHLIN.
JOHN S. McEWAN.
JOSEPH McGARRITY.
ALAN D. McIVER.
JOHN McLAREN.

Column 3
EDWARD McLAREN.
JOHN McL. McPHERSON.
ALEXANDER NICOLSON.
ANDREW RENNIE.
CHARLES SCOTT.
SAMUEL S. SCOTT.
JAMES G. SINCLAIR.
SIDNEY S. SMITH.
JOHN WILSON.
ANDREW YOUNG.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Old Kilpatrick Reply with quote

I am attempting to obtain family information on John McL McPherson. Does anybody know how should start?

WWII ROLL OF HONOUR:

McPherson John McL.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this him?

CWGC:

Name: McPHERSON, JOHN
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Trooper
Regiment/Service: Royal Tank Regiment, R.A.C.
Unit Text: 12th
Age: 19
Date of Death: 27/04/1943
Service No: 7944988
Additional information: Son of John L. and Agnes G. McPherson, of Paisley, Renfrewshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: II. A. 4.
Cemetery: MASSICAULT WAR CEMETERY

SNWM:

Surname: McPHERSON
Firstname: John
Service Number: 7944988
Date of Death: 27/04/1943
Place of Birth: Paisley
Other: Royal Tank Regiment
SNWM Roll: SCOTSMEN IN VARIOUS UNITS
Rank: Tpr
Theatre of Death: North Africa

What exactly do you want to find out about him - is it his military history or his family history?

From his CWGC entry, you'll see he's listed as being 19 when he was died, making his year of birth c1924 and according to Scotland's People (www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk), there were only 2 John McPherson's born in Renfrewshire betweeen 1923 and 1925. The birth certificates aren't available to view/download as the dates are still too recent. The details from the index are:

1. 1923 JOHN LINDSAY McPHERSON, born Paisley, Renfrewshire.
2. 1924 JOHN McPHERSON, born Paisley, Renfrewshire.

Note that No. 1 above, John Lindsay McPherson would give him the same initials as the father John L. McPherson listed on CWGC.

On searching for his parents marriage, there don't seem to be any John L. McPhersons marrying an Agnes in Renfrewshire between 1916 and 1926. There are marriages for (all 1924):

1. John McPherson and Agnes Barr
2. John McPherson and Agnes Buntain
3. John McPherson and Agnes McCrank

These 3 Marriage certificates are view/downloadable from the above site.

If it's details on the Royal Armoured Corps, type it into google and there's loads of sites with varying amounts of information.

Hopefully you'll get what you're looking for.

Anne
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Name: GREER, GILBERT THOMSON
Initials: G T
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Gordon Highlanders
Unit Text: 1st/7th Bn.
Age: 20
Date of Death: 13/12/1917
Service No: S/41467
Additional information: Son of Gilbert and Margaret Greer, of New Church Place, Old Kilpatrick, Dumbartonshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Div. 62. I. L. 7.
Cemetery: STE. MARIE CEMETERY, LE HAVRE
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This website is beautiful.

I was doing some research for my degree and stumbled upon this website.

I take my hat off to all servicemen who lost their lives for us.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:21 pm    Post subject: Incorrect information Reply with quote

I noticed my uncle's name PATRICK BRESLIN is against the WW1 list who died. He died 1941 WW2.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Breslin,

Maybe the Patrick Breslin listed on the WW1 panel was the following man:

Name: BRESLIN, PATRICK
Initials: P
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Fireman
Regiment/Service: Mercantile Marine
Unit Text: S.S. "California" (Glasgow)
Age: 34
Date of Death: 07/02/1917
Additional information: Son of Thomas and Sarah Breslin, of 3, Paterson St., Paisley. Born at Glasgow.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Memorial: TOWER HILL MEMORIAL

Is the following man your uncle?

Name: BRESLIN, PATRICK
Initials: P
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Ordinary Seaman
Regiment/Service: Merchant Navy
Unit Text: S.S. River Lugar (Glasgow)
Age: 20
Date of Death: 26/06/1941
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 87.
Memorial: TOWER HILL MEMORIAL

If so, are you able to add anything to he above CWGC listing (parents, where he lived etc.)?

Anne

P.S. Welcome to Scottish War Memorials Project! Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Breslin" sent the following to the SWMP email inbox. I'll post it here in the hope they return and provide some more info for us.

Quote:
I don't have Patrick Breslin's date of birth, his parents were Patrick Breslin and Roseann Breslin (nee Doherty), he lived at 75 Glasgow Road, Clydebank.
An exibition of 'The Three Queens at Clydebank Museum 8 Sep - 23 Dec 2006 used Patricks face on the promotion materials, the picture was taken at Clydebank ship yard 1938 where Patrick was a rivet-boy. I am told by an aunt that Patrick was a 'hole borer' onboard SS River Lugar. What was that?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:04 pm    Post subject: Pte. William Grier/Greir Reply with quote

jamiemcginlay wrote:
WW1
Grier William


(Glasgow Herald 8th Dec 1914)
"Trooper William Grier, of the 2nd Dragoons (the Royal Scots Greys). died on October 30 of wounds received at Ypres. Mr Grier, who resided at Old Kilpatrick, was over 40 years of age, married, served in the Boer War, and in recognition of his bravery in saving an officers life was recently attached to the 1st Life Guards. Mrs Grier has by command received a note of sympathy from the King and Queen."

also...

"Second Lieutenant the Hon. Hugo W.C. Denison, 1st Life Guards, reported wounded is the 2nd son of the Earl of Londesborough. He was born in 1894. This is believed to be the officer whose life was saved by Trooper William Grier, belonging to Old Kilpatrick, who died of wounds received at Ypres on October 30."

CWGC
Name: GREIR, WILLIAM (surname recorded as Greir by the Army)
Rank: Private
Service No: 5639
Date of Death: 30/10/1914
Regiment/Service: 2nd Dragoons (Royal Scots Greys)
Panel Reference: Panel 5.
Memorial: YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL

SNWM
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:36 am    Post subject: Pte. Kenneth Kennedy Reply with quote

WW1
Kenneth Kennedy

(Glasgow Herald 20th March 1915)
"Mr Hector Kennedy, MacArthur's Land, Old Kilpatrick, has heard that his eldest son Kenneth, 1st Battalion Seaforth Highlanders, was instantaneously killed in the recent attack on the German trenches. Private Kennedy, who was 24 years of age, was a well known member of the Strathclyde Football Club. He and a brother enlisted in September last."

CWGC
KENNEDY, KENNETH
Rank: Private
Service No: S/2407
Date of Death: 10/03/1915
Regiment/Service: Seaforth Highlanders 1st Bn.
Panel Reference: Panel 38 and 39.
Memorial: LE TOURET MEMORIAL

SNWM
Surname: KENNEDY
Firstname: Kenneth
Service Number: S/2407
Date Death: 10/03/1915
Place of birth: Old Kilpatrick Lanarkshire
Other: 1st Bn.
SNWM roll: THE SEAFORTH HIGHLANDERS
Rank: Pte
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:16 am    Post subject: Pte. John Mulgrew Reply with quote

WW1
John Mulgrew

(Glasgow Herald 4th May 1915)
"Private John Mulgrew, of the machine gun section, 9th Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders, was killed in action on April 24. He was hit on the head by a piece of shell, and death was instantaneous. He was a native of Old Kilpatrick, and worked with Messrs Napier and Miller."

CWGC
MULGREW, JOHN
Rank: Private
Service No: 1580
Date of Death: 24/04/1915
Regiment/Service: Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders 1st/9th Bn.
Grave Reference: VIII. E. 17.
Cemetery: OOSTTAVERNE WOOD CEMETERY

SNWM
Surname: MULGREW
Firstname: John
Service Number: 1580
Date Death: 24/04/1915
Place of birth: Old Kilpatrick Dumbartonshire
Other: 1/9th Bn.
SNWM roll: THE ARGYLL AND SUTHERLAND HIGHLANDERS
Rank: Pte
Theatre of death: F.& F.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:01 pm    Post subject: Pte. Thomas Boyd Reply with quote

WW1
Thomas Boyd

Also on the Bearmore memorial.

(Glasgow Herald 17th May 1915)
"Mrs Mary Boyd, Smilie's Land, Old Kilpatrick, has received official intimation that her husband, Private Thomas Boyd (2929), Seaforth Highlanders, was killed in action on April 26. Boyd, who was 32 years of age, was employed before the war in Beardmore's shipbuilding yard in Dalmuir."

CWGC
BOYD, T
Rank: Private
Service No: S/2929
Date of Death: 26/04/1915
Regiment/Service: Seaforth Highlanders 2nd Bn.
Grave Reference: B. 1. (Headstone "A" 3).
Cemetery: SEAFORTH CEMETERY, CHEDDAR VILLA

SNWM
Surname: BOYD
Firstname: Thomas
Service Number: S/2929
Date Death: 26/04/1915
Place of birth: Old Kilpatrick
Other: 2nd Bn.
SNWM roll: THE SEAFORTH HIGHLANDERS
Rank: Pte
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 10:54 pm    Post subject: Spr. Lewis Cameron Reply with quote

WW1
Lewis Cameron

(Glasgow Herald 1st June 1915)
"Mr Robert Cameron, Gavinburn Street, Old Kilpatrick, received intimation that his son, Private Lewis Cameron, of the Angelsey Royal Engineers, was instantaneously killed in action on May 24. He was a fine young fellow of 19, and in civilian days was in the employment of the Clyde Trust at Renfrew."

CWGC
CAMERON, L
Rank: Sapper
Service No: 7298
Date of Death: 24/05/1915
Regiment/Service: Royal Engineers 2nd Siege Coy. Royal Anglesey
Grave Reference: III. M. 20.
Cemetery: WHITE HOUSE CEMETERY, ST. JEAN-LES-YPRES

SNWM
Surname: CAMERON
Firstname: Lewis
Service Number: 7298
Date Death: 24/05/1915
Place of birth: Old Kilpatrick Dumbartonshire
Other: 2nd Siege Coy., R.A.R.E.
SNWM roll: THE ROYAL ENGINEERS
Rank: Spr
Theatre of death: F.& F.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Incorrect information (Pte. Patrick Breslin) Reply with quote

breslin wrote:
I noticed my uncle's name PATRICK BRESLIN is against the WW1 list who died. He died 1941 WW2.


This is the Patrick Breslin who is named as a WW1 casualty correctly on this memorial.

(Glasgow herald 5th June 1915)
"Lance-Corporal Patrick Breslin (2748), 1st Battalion Seaforth Highlanders, is reported killed in action on May 9. His brother John, a private in the same regiment, had some time ago been so seriously wounded as to be rendered unfit for further service. The Breslins before enlisting stayed at Comrie's Land, Old Kilpatrick."

WW1
Pte. Patrick Breslin

CWGC
BRESLIN, PATRICK
Rank: Private
Service No: S/2748
Date of Death: 09/05/1915
Regiment/Service: Seaforth Highlanders 1st Bn.
Panel Reference: Panel 38 and 39.
Memorial: LE TOURET MEMORIAL

SNWM
Surname: BRESLIN
Firstname: Patrick
Service Number: S/2748
Date Death: 09/05/1915
Place of birth: Londonderry
Other: 1st Bn.
SNWM roll: THE SEAFORTH HIGHLANDERS
Rank: Pte
Theatre of death: F.& F.
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