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PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 7:13 pm    Post subject: Whitsome Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

UKNIWM Ref No. not listed
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This has been identified as a parish memorial by Lesley Robertson so I am moving it from the church section to the civic section.

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Merseman



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whitsome united with Ladykirk in Feb of this year as Ladykirk & Whitsome in the Ladykirk building. Whitsome church has been entirely stripped of its fittings literally to floor walls and ceiling - bar (for now at least) a big font. Unfortunately, the WWI plaque's marble surround has been left in the wall.

"For Sale" (130,000)
http://www.churchofscotland.org.uk/about_us/property_and_church_buildings/properties_for_sale/properties/churches_and_halls/whitsome_kirk
http://www.churchofscotland.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0016/15604/whitsome_kirk.pdf

I expected the plaques would most likely be relocated to Ladykirk church, or into Whitsome village hall ('Whitsome Ark'), but I was told earlier today that they are apparently be mounted on a wall at the village cemetery. In the meantime they are in care of the minister who lives at Swinton manse.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Lough brothers, both killed in the Far East.


LOUGH, ROBERT RUTHVEN.
Rank:Lance Corporal
Service No:3190152
Date of Death:08/10/1943
Age:29
Regiment/Service:King's Own Scottish Borderers
2nd Bn.
Panel ReferenceFace 10.
MemorialRANGOON MEMORIAL
Additional Information:
Son of Richard Gordon Lough and Isabella Lough, of Whitsome, Berwickshire.

LOUGH, THOMAS BOYD.
Rank:Lance Corporal
Service No:3190156
Date of Death:28/05/1944
Age:24
Regiment/Service:Royal Scots
1st Bn.
Grave Reference3. C. 17.
CemeteryKOHIMA WAR CEMETERY
Additional Information:
Son of Richard Gordon Lough and Isabella Lough, of Whitsome, Berwickshire.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The first name on the WW1 memorial

THOMSON, M.
Rank:Schoolmaster Warrant Officer
Date of Death:12/02/1919
Regiment/Service:Royal Navy
H.M.S. Hecla
Grave ReferenceC. 1190.
CemeteryINNERLEITHEN CEMETERY

From http://www.naval-history.net/xGM-Pers-Warrant%20Rank.htm
A further change in 1861 granted a Commission to Schoolmasters engaged in the instruction of naval officers in shore training establishments. They were renamed "Naval Instructors", but those serving on ships retained the "Schoolmaster" title with added distinctions of "Senior Master" and "Headmaster" for those having greater responsibilities. These titles remained in use until 1946 when all Schoolmasters were given Commissioned rank as Instructor Officers.
Warrant Officers of all specialisations had to be capable of carrying out instructional duties ashore and afloat. This criteria still pertains to-day
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unveiling:

The Scotsman, 14th June 1921

WHITSOME - The handsome brass tablet to the twelve men of Whitsome Parish, Berwickshire, was unveiled by the Earl of Home, in presence of a large gathering. In the course of his address the Earl of Home said it was in comradeship and loyalty and mutual help that the hope of the future lay. The tablet, which is mounted on a marble plinth, is fixed in the west wall of the Parish Church.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

These memorials were rededicated at 11am today in a short service, with around 2 dozen people present, led by the parish minister Rev Cartwright.

In actual fact it's the original WWII plaque but a new WWI plaque made to the same size with the inscription adjusted to mirror the WWII one. In the distance, behind the cemetery gates, the closed church is visible.






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PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To the left of the gates, overlooking the old churchyard, I spotted this:





Evidently it dates from 1995, like the plaque at Chirnside.

(Note the second mount, to the right of the tree, has lost its plaque).
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Quinns would seem to be brothers although there is a variation of the address of the parents.

QUINN, ADAM BLACKIE
Rank:Private
Service No:7235
Date of Death:12/07/1915
Age:22
Regiment/Service:King's Own Scottish Borderers
"B" Coy. 1st/4th Bn.
Panel ReferencePanel 84 to 92 or 220 to 222.
MemorialHELLES MEMORIAL
Additional Information:
Son of Edward and Margaret Quinn, of Leetside, Chirnside, Berwickshire.

QUINN, WILLIAM
Rank:Private
Service No:1447
Date of Death:27/11/1915
Age:27
Regiment/Service:2nd King Edward's Horse
Panel ReferencePanel 1.
MemorialPLOEGSTEERT MEMORIAL
Additional Information:
Son of Edward and Margaret Quinn, of Windywalls, Kelso, Roxburghshire.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What has happened to the original WW1 memorial?

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Merseman



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm trying to find out but it wouldn't surprise me if that's not been decided.

It has been removed from the church, leaving the marble surround.

I could guess that, being painted brass, they felt it was unlikely to survive very well outdoors, hence its replacement.

Also the new one makes the overall arrangement symmetrical.

Those I asked after the service hadn't realised it wasn't the original.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:22 am    Post subject: WMR (ex UKNIWM) report Reply with quote

WMR 81418 WW1 Original
WMR 81419 WW1 Replacement
WMR 81421 WW2
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