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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:39 pm    Post subject: Holywood Reply with quote

This memorial is also not listed on UKNIWM

OS ref NX 955 796

A useful link to details of the church and graves http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~dfsgal/Holywood/ndx.htm




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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The website you link to Spoons also has a photograph of the Second World War plaque which is inside the church. CLick on "Photo Tour" and then select "War Memorial" to see it.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

David McNay wrote:
The website you link to Spoons also has a photograph of the Second World War plaque which is inside the church. CLick on "Photo Tour" and then select "War Memorial" to see it.


Unfortunately you just can't make out the units.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Re: Private, 2535/240799, Alexander Marrs, 1/5th KOSB

This man is not listed on the CWGC's "Debt of Honour Register". He was discharged in May 1918 and died the year after. His file (now available on Ancestry) clearly states that his ill health was due to military service. I will send his details and a copy of his death certificate to the CWGC and see how it goes from there.

Searching through the WO 364 records over the weekend has uncovered a number of similar cases (which I will also submit to the CWGC). It makes me wonder how widespread was the non-commemoration (by CWGC) of discharged soldiers?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my research I have found that the non-commemoration of discharged soldiers is widespread. I currently have 13 men on file who died and are not commemorated.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I spotted this fragile memorial casualty silk and now have it in my collection.
It is in memory of:

Name: NIVEN, JOHN
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Lanarkshire Yeomanry
Unit Text: 1st/1st
Age: 21
Date of Death: 13/12/1915
Service No: 2159
Awards: Mentioned in Despatches
Additional information: Son of Walter and Marion Niven, of Cormaddie, Holywood, Dumfries. Born at Barnmuir. Closeburn, Dumfriesshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: H. 72.
Cemetery: LANCASHIRE LANDING CEMETERY



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I spotted that on a well-known auction site recently. Glad to see it has gone to a good home.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good to see it in safe hands and a photo here for all to see

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The above link to rootsweb website is no longer working. The church is currently for sale and I will try and find out about the WW2 memorial which is inside the church.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The church is still for sale and it is intended that the WW2 memorial will be moved to Dumfries North West Church (Lochside) but I don't have any concerns about the WW1 memorial as it stands in a churchyard with graves so access will be guaranteed.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 3:32 pm    Post subject: Memorial Transcription Reply with quote

Barbour, Robert. Scots Guards - Steilson Farm
Burgess, David. R.F. Artillery - Sunnyhill
Callander, James. K.O.S.B. - East Cluden
Cluckie, John. Gordons - Steilson Farm
Craig, Ernest Leslie. Royal Scots - Kilness
Craig, George Lyell. K.O.S.B. - Kilness
Craig, James. Gordons - Kilness
Grierson, Andrew. K.O.S.B. - Birkhall
Henderson, Robert. K.O.S.B. - East Cluden
Henry, Thomas. Royal Marines - Kirkhouses
Kenning, James. Niorthumberland Fusilrs. - East Cluden
Mackenzie, John R. Gordons - Burnfoot
McLeod, William. Scottish Rifles - Kilness
Marris, Alexander. K.O.S.B. - Kirkhouses
Mathieson, James. K.O.S.B. - Slaethorncroft
Mundell, Robert. K.O.S.B. - Kirkhouses
Niven, John. Lanarkshire Yeomry. - Cormaddie
Poole, James. K.O.S.B. - Cowhill
Reilly, Andrew. Royal Scots - Birkhall
Wells, Daniel. Royal Scots - Muirside Cottages
Smith, Walter. K.O.S.B. - Poplar Cottage
Swan, William Robert. R.F. Artillery - Newhouse
Templeton, William Wyllie. Canad. Camerons - Blackpark
Wright, John Love. A.I.F. - Newington
Wright, Robert. Black Watch - Summerhill
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Details and photos sent to UKNIWM 21 Jan 2012

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

3 brothers ?

Name: CRAIG, ERNEST LESLIE
Initials: E L
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Royal Scots
Unit Text: 13th Bn.
Age: 20
Date of Death: 11/04/1917
Service No: 27822
Additional information: Son of Margaret Craig, of East Cluden, Holywood, Dumfries, and the late Joseph Craig.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Bay 1 and 2.
Memorial: ARRAS MEMORIAL


Name: CRAIG
Initials: G
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Lance Corporal
Regiment/Service: King's Own Scottish Borderers
Unit Text: 1st Bn.
Age: 25
Date of Death: 06/06/1918
Service No: 22773
Additional information: Husband of Mrs. Craig, of 16, Galloway Street, Maxwelltown, Dumfries.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: G. 2.
Cemetery: CINQ RUES BRITISH CEMETERY, HAZEBROUCK


Name: CRAIG
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Gordon Highlanders
Unit Text: 9th Bn.
Age: 29
Date of Death: 27/09/1915
Service No: S/8269
Additional information: Son of Joseph and Margaret Craig, of East Cluden, Holywood, Dumfries.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: I. A. 27.
Cemetery: NOEUX-LES-MINES COMMUNAL CEMETERY
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:21 pm    Post subject: Craig brothers of Holywood Reply with quote

Indeed they were.

From the 1901 census and residing in the parish of Holywood.

Joseph Craig aged 49, a joiner, and his wife Margaret aged 43 with nine of a family including; James age 14, George age 8 and Ernest age 4.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:42 pm    Post subject: L.Cpl. James Callander Reply with quote

WW1
Callander, James. K.O.S.B. - East Cluden

(Glasgow Herald 29th April)
"News has been received that Corporal James Callander, of the 2nd King's Own Scottish Borderers, who lived at 8 David Street, Maxwelltown, was killed on 17th inst. at the taking of Hill 60. Corporal Callander was a Reservist, and was engaged in all the fighting from Mons onwards. He was 33 years of age, and engaged as a signalman with the Glasgow and South Western Railway Company at the Cairn Valley Junction near Dumfries. He leaves a widow and three children."

CWGC
CALLANDER, JAMES
Rank: Lance Corporal
Service No: 8026
Date of Death: 18/04/1915
Regiment/Service: King's Own Scottish Borderers 2nd Bn.
Panel Reference: Panel 22.
Memorial: YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL

SNWM
Surname: CALLANDER
Firstname: James
Service Number: 8026
Date Death: 18/04/1915
Place of birth: Dumfries
Other: 2nd Bn.
SNWM roll: THE KING'S OWN SCOTTISH BORDERERS
Rank: L/Cpl
Theatre of death: F.& F.
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