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Elsie



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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 7:01 pm    Post subject: Old Monkland Church, Coatbridge Reply with quote

There are two memorials in Old Monkland Church, Coatbridge.
WW1 plaque (wood) is on front of pulpit. with quote 'A! fredome is a noble thing' (My memory is a little uncertain)
WW2 plaques (wood) are on either side of chancel.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 7:37 am    Post subject: Photos Reply with quote

Here are a few photos courtesy of a friend in the Iron Burgh





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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great to see photos of the Memorials. I had them the wrong way round - WW2 on the pulpit - WW1 on the other 2 boards. It is a very difficult church to get good photographs as the light is not good - but am delighted to see these. I will try and get a note of the names soon.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The words on the Second World War panel say

"A! fredome is a noble thing"

and is from a long poem by John Barbour called 'The Brus' about Robert the Bruce. Part of that poem is called Frredom and the first line is the inscription on the memorial

From http://www.bartleby.com/101/9.html
Freedom

A! Fredome is a noble thing!
Fredome mays man to haiff liking;
Fredome all solace to man giffis,
He levys at ese that frely levys!
A noble hart may haiff nane ese,
Na ellys nocht that may him plese,
Gyff fredome fail; for fre liking
Is yarnyt our all othir thing.
Na he that ay has levyt fre
May nocht knaw weill the propyrtè,
The angyr, na the wretchyt dome
That is couplyt to foule thyrldome.
Bot gyff he had assayit it,
Than all perquer he suld it wyt;
And suld think fredome mar to prise
Than all the gold in warld that is.
Thus contrar thingis evirmar
Discoweryngis off the tothir ar.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A couple of the WW2 names

SANGSTER, GILBERT FRANCIS
Initials: G F
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Driver
Regiment/Service: Royal Army Service Corps
Unit Text: 1 Div. Petrol Coy.
Age: 33
Date of Death: 29/05/1940
Service No: T/50896
Additional information: Son of John and Jean Sangster; husband of Margaret Sangster, of Glasgow.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Column 138.
Memorial: DUNKIRK MEMORIAL

WATT, JOHN
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Lance Corporal
Regiment/Service: Lincolnshire Regiment
Unit Text: 6th Bn.
Age: 29
Date of Death: 06/12/1944
Service No: 3197589
Additional information: Son of George Watt and Agnes Lindsay Watt, of Coatbridge, Lanarkshire; husband of Betsy Thomson Egginton Watt, of Coatbridge.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: I. D. 14.
Cemetery: FAENZA WAR CEMETERY
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 10:48 am    Post subject: Names Reply with quote

Here`s a list of the names in the Church

1914-1919

Lt John Hunter - Kings African RFS
Lt John Marshall - Black Watch
2nd Lt James Gardner - RFC
Sergt John Buchanan - HLI
LCP James Cunningham - HLI
PTE Thomas Bauchop - ASC
PTE Robert Badger - HLI
PTE James Cairns - R Scots
PTE William Cameron - Naval BDE
PTE JAS Coffield _ Gordon HLDRS
PTE JNO Cowie - Seaforth HLDRS
PTE WM Cunningham - HLI
PTE James H Davie - S Guards
Sapper Gray Ewing - RE
PTE Archie Ewing - R Scots
Sapper Andrew Forrester - RE
Pioneer George Gordon - RE
PTE William Kay - Labour Coy
Sapper David Kirk - RE
Pioneer JNO Blackwood Law - RE
PTE George Lindsay - A & S HLDRS
PTE John Lindsay - R Naval DIV
PTE John Martin - Black Watch
PTE Peter Mitchell - Black Watch
PTE Hugh McAnnlly - A & S HLDRS
PTE John McCarroll - N Staffs
PTE Wm McGilben - RSF
Sapper James Sloss - RF
PTE Charles Stewart - SR
PTE Alex R Tinto - Black Watch
Driver Alex R Lindsay - RFA


1939 - 1945

LAC John Cairns - RAF (VR)
LT James J Mitchell - HLI
Engineer Peter PG Murray - MN
GDSMA Robert Perry - SG
Seaman Thomas Raitt - MN
CPL John Watt Lincolns
TPR Robert WT Roberts - RSG
DVR Gilbert Sangster - RASC
GNR - William G Smith - RA
CPL - William Spence - Seaforths
DVR Harry W Taylor - RCS
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 10:51 am    Post subject: Info Reply with quote

I have info on the Great War men if anyone would like to see it. Also have photos of them from the Coatbridge and the Great War book from 1919 and a few of their headstone/name on memorial photos
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of the men listed was on the SS 'Stockport' when it was sunk in 1943. We've discussed it before on the War Graves Forum here

RAITT, THOMAS
Initials: T
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Fireman and Trimmer
Regiment/Service: Merchant Navy
Unit Text: S.S. Stockport (Grimsby)
Age: 22
Date of Death: 25/02/1943
Additional information: Son of William and Catherine Raitt, of Old Monkland, Lanarkshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 102.
Memorial: TOWER HILL MEMORIAL
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This may be the other merchant seaman listed. He is not listed on the Buckhaven War Memorial

MURRAY, PETER PORTEOUS GEAR
Initials: P P G
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Third Engineer Officer
Regiment/Service: Merchant Navy
Unit Text: S.S. Empire Hawksbill (London)
Age: 40
Date of Death: 19/07/1942
Additional information: Son of William and Eliza Murray; husband of Jessie Mitchell Murray, of Buckhaven, Fife.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 41.
Memorial: TOWER HILL MEMORIAL
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both are listed on Coatbridge Civic Memorial although Thomas Raitt is listed as Royal Navy.



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