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EDINBURGH, Scottish Rugby Union, arch (WW1/2)
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 12:46 pm    Post subject: EDINBURGH, Scottish Rugby Union, arch (WW1/2) Reply with quote

Scottish Rugby Union Memorial - Murrayfield

Located at the south east side of Murrayfield Stadium, near the railway bridge.
Erected in memory of the Scottish Rugby Union players who fell in both world wars. Unfortunately the memorial does not list any names.

OS map ref NT226727
UKNIWM Ref no: 2047




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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

World War I Scottish Players Killed
[From SRU library]

Name Caps Played
1. R F Simson 1 1911
2. J L Huggan 1 1914
3. J Ross 5 1901-03
4. L Robertson 9 1908-13
5. F H Turner 15 1911-14
6. J Pearson 12 1909-13
7. D M Bain 11 1911-14
8. W C Church 1 1906
9. E T Young 1 1914 g
10. P C B Blair 5 1912-13
11. W M Wallace 4 1913-14
12. D R Bedell-Sivright 22 1900-08 d. ? Gallipoli (w)
13. W M Dickson 7 1912-13 g
14. D D Howie 7 1912-13
15. A Ross 5 1905-09
16. C H Abercrombie 6 1910-13
17. J S Wilson 2 1908-09
18. R Fraser 4 1911
19. E Milroy 12 1910-14
20. J G Will 7 1912-14
21. T A Nelson 1 1898
22. W T Forrest 8 1903-05
23. A L Wade 1 1908
24. J Y M Henderson 1 1911
25. J A Campbell 1 1900
26. S S L Steyn 2 1911-12
27. G A W Lamond 3 1899-1905
28. W R Hutchison 1 1911
29. R E Gordon 3 1913
30. W R Sutherland 13 1910-14
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taken yesterday prior to the Calcutta Cup game.



It would be nice if there were no vehicles in the way.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walter Sutherland, "Wattie Suddie", Hawick & Scotland rugby legend killed by a stray shell at Hulloch on his 28th birthday.

[i][b]‘It is hard to realise that one who so recently had walked the streets of the old Border town, who was held in such affection by its youth, whose bright smile and cheery nature were like rays of sunshine, had gone and would never again adorn its peaceful life. The memory of such a life, with so many just claims to remembrance, will always stand out as a permanent inspiration and a bright example to all who may follow the Rugby game’.

‘He was made of the stamp of which heroes are made’

Name: SUTHERLAND, WALTER RIDDELL
Initials: W R
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Second Lieutenant
Regiment/Service: Seaforth Highlanders
Unit Text: 8th Bn.
Age: 27
Date of Death: 04/10/1918
Additional information: Son of Alexander and Isabella Riddell Sutherland, of the Imperial Hotel, Hawick, Roxburghshire. Received 13 caps playing for the Scottish International rugby team, between 1910 and 1914.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: III. C. 22.
Cemetery: HOUCHIN BRITISH CEMETERY


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 3:55 pm    Post subject: Lt. William Middleton Wallace Reply with quote

DerekR wrote:
World War I Scottish Players Killed
W M Wallace


From an old auction link

"Lieutenant William Middleton Wallace, born 1892, Edinburgh, educated at Edinburgh Academy and King's College, Cambridge, was one of the best schoolboy athletes of his day; Rugby 'Blue' for Cambridge in the Varsity matches of 1912 and 1913 (full back); played for Scotland against England, 1913 and 1914 and also against Wales and Ireland 1914. He was gazetted 2nd Lieutenant in the Rifle Brigade, 15 August 1914 and left for France on the 30th, just 15 days later. He may have been the first undergraduate at the front. Wallace served with the 1st Bn. Rifle Brigade until 13 February 1915 and was present at the Battle of the Aisne, at Frelinghien and at Ploegsteert Wood. He became an Observer with 2 Squadron, 1st Wing, Royal Flying Corps, 14 February 1915 and saw considerable action in the Armentières - La Bassée area including Neuve Chapelle, Aubers and Rue de Ouvert; Lieutenant 21 July. Lieutenant Wallace was killed in action whilst flying as an Observer with 2 Squadron at Sainghin near Lille 22 August 1915 ("Rugby Football International's Roll of Honour" refers)"

Name: WALLACE, WILLIAM MIDDLETON
Initials: W M
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Lieutenant
Regiment/Service: Royal Flying Corps
Secondary Regiment: Rifle Brigade
Secondary Unit Text: and 5th Bn.
Age: 22
Date of Death: 22/08/1915
Additional information: Son of Robert Walker Wallace and Mary Parker Wallace, of 7, Inverleith Row, Edinburgh. Scottish Rugby International.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: XII. D. 11.
Cemetery: CABARET-ROUGE BRITISH CEMETERY, SOUCHEZ


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From "International Rugby Union: A Compendium of Scotland's Matches" by John Mcl. Davidson, 1994.

Scottish international rugby players 1939-45 Roll of Honour.

1940: D.K.A. Mackenzie
1941: T.F. Dorward, A.W. Symington
1942: P. Munro, J.M. Ritchie, R.M. Kinnear, W.A. Ross, J.G.S. Forrest, D. St. C. Ford
1943: G. Roberts, W.M. Penman
1944: A.S.B. McNeil, W.N. Renwick, G.H. Gallie
1945: E.H. Liddell

Plus, Boer War Roll of Honour.

1900: D.B. Monypenny
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 1:41 am    Post subject: 2nd Lt. Frederick Harding Turner Reply with quote

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World War 1 Scottish Players Killed
F H Turner


(Glasgow Herald 19th of January 1915)
"Killed in action in Belgium, on Sunday 10th January, Frederick Harding Turner, aged 26, Lieutenant 10th Scottish Service Battalion Liverpool Regiment, the dearly beloved younger son of W.N. Turner, Mossley Hill Drive, Liverpool."

Name: TURNER, FREDERICK HARDING
Initials: F H
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Second Lieutenant
Regiment/Service: The King's (Liverpool Regiment)
Unit Text: 10th Bn.
Age: 27
Date of Death: 10/01/1915
Additional information: Son of W.N. Turner, of Mossley Hill Drive, Sefton Park, Liverpool. Former Scotland International Rugby Football Player (Capped 15 times, Captain 1913). His brother William also fell.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Sp. Mem. 13.
Cemetery: KEMMEL CHURCHYARD


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 5:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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1945: E.H. Liddell


The Flying Scotsman, Eric Liddell

LIDDELL, ERIC HENRY
Initials: E H
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Civilian
Regiment/Service: Civilian War Dead
Age: 43
Date of Death: 21/02/1945
Additional information: Husband of F. Liddell, of 21 Gloucester Street, Toronto, Canada. Died at Weihsien.
Casualty Type: Civilian War Dead
Reporting Authority: CHINA
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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1942: ... D. St. C. Ford


Submariner Lt. Commander Drummond St Clair Ford is hard to find on CWGC. He died on 12.12.42 when HMS 'Traveller' a T-Class submarine was lost in the Mediterranean.

ST. CLAIR-FORD, DRUMMOND
Initials: D
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Lieut-Commander
Regiment/Service: Royal Navy
Unit Text: H.M. Submarine Traveller
Date of Death: 12/12/1942
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 61, Column 3.
Memorial: PORTSMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL

I can't find him on SNWM

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:48 am    Post subject: Lt. R.F. Simson Reply with quote

DerekR wrote:
World War I Scottish Players Killed
R F Simson


Name: SIMSON
Initials: R F
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Lieutenant
Regiment/Service: Royal Field Artillery
Unit Text: 16th Bty. 116th Bde.
Age: 24
Date of Death: 15/09/1914
Additional information: Son of Mr. D. J. and Mrs. I. A. Simson, of 68, Burton Crescent, Chelsea, London. Native of Edinburgh. Scottish Rugby International.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: 2.
Cemetery: MOULINS NEW COMMUNAL CEMETERY



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:03 am    Post subject: Lt. James Laidlaw Huggan Reply with quote

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World War I Scottish Players Killed
J L Huggan


Name: HUGGAN, JAMES LAIDLAW
Initials: J L
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Lieutenant
Regiment/Service: Royal Army Medical Corps
Secondary Regiment: Coldstream Guards
Secondary Unit Text: attd. 3rd Bn.
Age: 25
Date of Death: 16/09/1914
Additional information: Son of the late Robert Huggan, of Jedburgh. Former Scottish International Rugby Football player.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Memorial: LA FERTE-SOUS-JOUARRE MEMORIAL



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 5:40 pm    Post subject: Capt. Lewis Robertson Reply with quote

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World War I Scottish Players Killed
L Robertson


Name: ROBERTSON, LEWIS
Initials: L
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Captain
Regiment/Service: Cameron Highlanders
Unit Text: 1st Bn.
Age: 31
Date of Death: 03/11/1914
Additional information: Son of James and Agnes Rae Robertson, of 7, Eglinton Crescent, Edinburgh. Scottish Rugby International.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: II. A. 4.
Cemetery: YPRES RESERVOIR CEMETERY

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 6:59 am    Post subject: Ypres Cemetery was Ypres Prison Cemetery later changed Reply with quote

I copied some info from CWGC I've been there on several trips and they changed the name of the cemetery as having Prison in the name it made families wonder why their son was buried in a prison grave....
RESERVOIR SOUTH CEMETERY, between the prison and the reservoir (also called "Broadley's Cemetery" and "Prison Cemetery No.1"). It was used from October 1914 to October 1915, and contained the graves of 18 soldiers from the United Kingdom. YPRES RESERVOIR MIDDLE CEMETERY, immediately North of the last named (also called "Prison Cemetery No.2" and "Middle Prison Cemetery"). It was used in August and September 1915, and rarely afterwards. It contained the graves of 107 soldiers from the United Kingdom (41 of whom belonged to the 6th King's Own Yorkshire Light Infantry) and one Belgian soldier. The CEMETERY at the INFANTRY BARRACKS (also called "the Esplanade"). It was used from April 1915 to July 1916 and contained the graves of 14 soldiers from the United Kingdom, ten of whom belonged to the 6th Siege Battery, R.G.A. In Plot V, Row AA, are the graves of 16 officers and men of the 6th Duke of Cornwall's Light Infantry, who were billeted in the vaults of the cathedral and killed on 12 August 1915 by shelling from the "Ypres Express" firing from Houthulst Forest. The survivors were rescued by the 11th King's Liverpools, but these bodies were not recovered until after the Armistice. There are now 2,613 Commonwealth servicemen of the First World War buried or commemorated in the cemetery. 1,034 of the burials are unidentified. The cemetery was designed by Sir Reginald Blomfield
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Designed by Arthur Balfour Paul in 1920.
He also designed Loanhead in 1920 and Donaldson`s School in 1918.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:35 am    Post subject: Pte. James Ross Reply with quote

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J Ross 5 1901


(Glasgow Herald 21st November 1914)


Thanks to dalblair for identifying him, he advises that he is also listed on the Fettes WM and in the updated, unpublished, ROH.

CWGC
Name: ROSS, JAMES
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: London Regiment (London Scottish)
Unit Text: 1st/14th Bn.
Date of Death: 01/11/1914
Service No: 2565
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 54.
Memorial: YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL

SNWM
Surname: ROSS
Firstname: James
Service Number: 2563 (2565 is correct)
Date Death: 01/11/1914
Place of birth: Rutherford Roxburgh
SNWM roll: LONDON SCOTTISH
Rank: Pte

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