The Scottish War Memorials Project

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UKNIWM Ref: 5971

Located on Chapel Brae overlooking Catrine at OS Map Ref NS 531 260. This very tall obelisk is on top of a hill and so needs its own lightning conductor! Although its dominant position overlooking the village provides an excellent view (apart from the strange poles – see pic 7), it is remote from day to day passage of people and so attracts the ‘wrong sort’. There is evidence of grafitti on the bench and campfires although (thankfully) the memorial is clean. The main trouble is that there is only parking for one or two cars at most and it is a long way up a steep hill so the remembrance service is poorly attended. The local amenities committee are trying to raise funds for a memorial park in a central location to make the annual service more viable.

Note that the Great War panel has two names who served in the Italian Forces, very unusual. Anyone know how we might check them out? They are obviously not on CWGC and are not listed on SNWM either.

One that caught my eye…………..

Name: WINNING, HECTOR
Initials: H
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Sergeant (Flt. Engr.)
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Unit Text: 207 Sqdn.
Date of Death: 21/02/1945
Service No: 1821317
Additional information: Son of Hector and Flora Winning, of Catrine, Ayrshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Coll. grave 24. A. 1-6.
Cemetery: REICHSWALD FOREST WAR CEMETERY

And from the lost bombers website:

Type Lancaster
Serial Number PB814
Squadron 207
X1D EM-T
Operation Gravenhorst
Date 1 21st February 1945
Date 2 22nd February 1945

PB814 was one of two No.207 Sqdn Lancasters lost on this operation. See: PB295. Airborne 1653 21Feb45 from Spilsby to attack the Mittelland Kanal at Gravenhorst. Those killed are buried in the Reichswald Forest War Cemetery. F/O Phelan had married Brenda Mary Phelan of Chick, Denbighshire. F/O T.B.Phelan RCAF KIA Sgt H.Winning KIA P/O E.Grundy KIA F/S A.A.Oak KIA Sgt F.C.J.O'Shea KIA F/S J.B.Davey RCAF KIA Sgt J.A.Holmes PoW Sgt J.A.Holmes was interned in Camp L1, no PoW No. UK 12May45.

[Adam Brown]

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I've seen a few Italian names on Great War panels before. There are a few in Edinburgh and two on Cleland's memorial.

I've got the contact details somewhere for Italy's equivalent of the CWGC. I'll see if I can find it.

Regards

Adam

[jamiemcginlay]

I came across the family gravestone of this man in Cathcart Cemetery, Renfrewshire. He is not listed on the Catrine war memorial but there is a birth certificate for a William GIbb born at around the same time in nearby Sorn. Unfortuately Sorn hasn't been posted yet so I don't know if he's listed on the Sorn memorial.

CWGC ENTRY:
Name: GIBB, WILLIAM
Initials: W
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Lance Corporal
Regiment/Service: Highland Light Infantry
Unit Text: 9th (Glasgow Hds.) Bn.
Age: 24
Date of Death: 20/10/1917
Service No: 331028
Additional information: Son of Robert Gibb, of 5, Newlands Crescent, Cathcart, Glasgow. Born at Catrine, Ayrshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: III. A. 26.
Cemetery: RATION FARM (LA PLUS DOUVE) ANNEXE

[KevinStoke]

SURNAME NAME/INITIAL RANK UNIT BTN WAR YEAR DIED NUMBER WAR MEMORIAL NOTES
BELL JOHN PRIVATE ROYAL SCOTS FUSILIERS WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
BELL JOHN BG PRIVATE ROYAL SCOTS FUSILIERS WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
BIGGAR WILLIAM PRIVATE ROYAL SCOTS FUSILIERS WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
CAMPBELL ROBERT PRIVATE ROYAL SCOTS FUSILIERS WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
CROSS ROBERT PRIVATE ROYAL SCOTS FUSILIERS WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
CURRAN JAMES PRIVATE ROYAL SCOTS FUSILIERS WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
EWING JAMES W SERJEANT ROYAL SCOTS FUSILIERS WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
FOWLER DAVID PRIVATE ROYAL SCOTS FUSILIERS WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
FOWLER ROBERT PRIVATE ROYAL SCOTS FUSILIERS WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
FRAM JAMES PRIVATE ROYAL SCOTS FUSILIERS WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
GORDON CHARLES E LIEUTENANT ROYAL SCOTS FUSILIERS WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
GOURLAY JAMES PRIVATE ROYAL SCOTS FUSILIERS WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT MM
HENDERSON JAMES PRIVATE ROYAL SCOTS FUSILIERS WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
HOLYWOOD PATRICK PRIVATE ROYAL SCOTS FUSILIERS WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
KYLE THOMSON PRIVATE ROYAL SCOTS FUSILIERS WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
MEIKLE ROBERT SERJEANT ROYAL SCOTS FUSILIERS WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
MOFFATT JOHN LANCE CORPORAL ROYAL SCOTS FUSILIERS WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
MCADAM JAMES PRIVATE ROYAL SCOTS FUSILIERS WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
MCCHESNIE ALEXANDER SERJEANT ROYAL SCOTS FUSILIERS WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
MCDOUGALL WILLIAM PRIVATE ROYAL SCOTS FUSILIERS WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
MCDOUGALL BERNARD PRIVATE ROYAL SCOTS FUSILIERS WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
MCNAUGHT WILLIAM PRIVATE ROYAL SCOTS FUSILIERS WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
PATERSON THOMAS PRIVATE ROYAL SCOTS FUSILIERS WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
RITCHIE HUGH PRIVATE ROYAL SCOTS FUSILIERS WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
ROBERTSON DANIEL PRIVATE ROYAL SCOTS FUSILIERS WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
ROLLIE WILLIAM PRIVATE ROYAL SCOTS FUSILIERS WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
STEWART ROBERT C SERJEANT ROYAL SCOTS FUSILIERS WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
GEMMELL JOHN SUB LIEUTENANT ROYAL NAVY RESERVE WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
GIBB JOHN CARPENTER ROYAL NAVY RESERVE WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
CONNELLY JOHN PRIVATE BLACK WATCH WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
FOLLEY RICHARD PRIVATE COLDSTREAM GUARDS WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
FOLLEY ROBERT PRIVATE EAST KENT REGIMENT WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
MCLEAN MURDOCH PRIVATE LONSDALE BATTALION WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
TEMPLETON HUGH M LANCE CORPORAL NORTHUMBERLAND FUSILIERS WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
SIMPSON ARCHIBALD SERJEANT ROYAL ENGINEERS WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
HINDS JAMES GUNNER ROYAL FIELD ARTILLERY WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
MCKINNELL JOHN W GUNNER ROYAL GARRISON ARTILLERY WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
WINNING WALTER PRIVATE ROYAL SCOTS WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
GRAY JAMES PRIVATE SCOTS GUARDS WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
REID DAVID PRIVATE SEAFORTH HIGHLANDERS WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
PETRUCCI FERRUCCIO PRIVATE ITALIAN FORCES WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
SISI ANGIOLINO PRIVATE ITALIAN FORCES WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
AITKEN WILLIAM PRIVATE COLONIAL FORCES WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
BARCLAY DAVID M TROOPER COLONIAL FORCES WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
MCCALL JAMES CORPORAL COLONIAL FORCES WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT MM
WILSON JOHN PRIVATE COLONIAL FORCES WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
YOUNG ROBERT N PRIVATE COLONIAL FORCES WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
BARRIE WILLIAM J PRIVATE HIGHLAND LIGHT INFANTRY WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
CHALMERS JAMES WB LANCE CORPORAL HIGHLAND LIGHT INFANTRY WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
HAIR THOMAS LANCE CORPORAL HIGHLAND LIGHT INFANTRY WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
HENDERSON GEORGE LANCE CORPORAL HIGHLAND LIGHT INFANTRY WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
MCKINNELL MATTHEW SERJEANT HIGHLAND LIGHT INFANTRY WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
MCDOUGALL ARCHIBALD PRIVATE GORDON HIGHLANDERS WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
MCKINNELL DANIEL CORPORAL GORDON HIGHLANDERS WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
STEELE WILLIAM CORPORAL GORDON HIGHLANDERS WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
TEMPLETON ROBERT PRIVATE GORDON HIGHLANDERS WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
BLACKLEY WALTER PRIVATE CAMERON HIGHLANDERS WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
CLARK JOSEPH PRIVATE CAMERON HIGHLANDERS WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
MCDONALD ROBERT SERJEANT CAMERON HIGHLANDERS WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
FOWLER ROBERT PRIVATE CAMERONIANS WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
MCLELLAND JOHN PRIVATE CAMERONIANS WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
TEMPLETON DAVID A LANCE CORPORAL ARGYLL & SUTHERLAND HIGHLANDERS WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
BLANE WILLIAM TROOPER AYRSHIRE YEOMANRY WW1 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
ANDERSON WILLIAM SERJEANT CAMERON HIGHLANDERS WW2 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
BOAN THOMAS LAC ROYAL AIR FORCE WW2 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
BROWN HL SAPPER ROYAL ENGINEERS WW2 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
CAIRNS WILLIAM CORPORAL DURHAM LIGHT INFANTRY WW2 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
GUTHRIE J FUSILIER ROYAL SCOTS FUSILIERS WW2 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
KIRKWOOD A CORPORAL ROYAL SCOTS FUSILIERS WW2 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
LYLE GEORGE PRIVATE DURHAM LIGHT INFANTRY WW2 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
MITCHELL THOMAS A/B ROYAL NAVY WW2 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
MCDOUGALL J CORPORAL ROYAL SCOTS FUSILIERS WW2 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
MAIN RICHARD PRIVATE EAST LANCASHIRE REGIMENT WW2 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
NELSON J CORPORAL ROYAL SCOTS FUSILIERS WW2 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
PATERSON A PRIVATE BLACK WATCH WW2 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
PATRICK FRANK A/B ROYAL NAVY WW2 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
PETTIGREW WILLIAM PRIVATE ROYAL ARMY MEDICAL CORPS WW2 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
REID WILLIAM PRIVATE ROYAL ARMY DEFENCE CORPS WW2 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
RILLEY T FUSILIER ROYAL SCOTS FUSILIERS WW2 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
SIMPSON ROBERT COMPANY SERJEANT MAJOR ROYAL SCOTS FUSILIERS WW2 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
STEVENS A GUARDSMAN SCOTS GUARDS WW2 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
WATSON J FUSILIER ROYAL SCOTS FUSILIERS WW2 CATRINE AND DISTRICT
WINNING H SERJEANT ROYAL AIR FORCE WW2 CATRINE AND DISTRICT

[Kenneth Morrison]

I'm pretty sure that the Thomas Paterson listed here in the Royal Scots Fusiliers section is:
Thomas Booth Hume Patterson. (note double "T")
Thomas was born in Rochdale, Lancashire in 1890 but the family originated from Gatehouse-of-Fleet in Kirkcudbrightshire and his siblings, older and younger, were born there.
Thomas was a coal miner and married Elizabeth Haining of Wood Street, Catrine in 1913 in Catrine. According to the Stewartry Roll of Honour, and presumably because of his occupation, Thomas did not join the 7th RSF until May 1918. He was wounded at Cambrai and had a lower leg amputated. He died on 26 April 1920 in Kilmarnock Infirmary of illness related to his wound.
Three of his brothers were killed in the War, John William - 15/8/1916, George - 25/9/1915, and Henry - 25/4/1918. They are all listed together on the Anwoth and Girthon Parishes War Memorial in Gatehouse.

Thomas is not on the CWGC Register but no evidence has survived which would allow a case to be made.
_________________
Ken

[DelBoy]

His photo features on the IWM WW1 centenery collection. Flickr link

WW1
HIGHLAND LIGHT INFANTRY
Pte. William J. Barrie

CWGC
BARRIE, WILLIAM
Rank: Private
Service No: 331593
Date of Death: 15/07/1916
Regiment/Service: Highland Light Infantry 9th (Glasgow Highlanders) Bn.
Panel Reference: Pier and Face 15 C.
Memorial: THIEPVAL MEMORIAL

SNWM
Surname: BARRIE
Firstname: William
Service Numbe: 331593
Date Death: 15/07/1916
Place of birth: Girvan
Other: 9th Bn. (T.).
SNWM roll: THE HIGHLAND LIGHT INFANTRY
Rank: Pte
Theatre of death: F.& F.